I think SE could be in bed with PM, their undercover MO with the FDA could be to ensure no other supplier gets to market their product.
FDA Sued Over Electronic Cigarette Embargo
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According to PM...a variety high end tobaccos. The heatbar is a redesign of the accord. It appears that PM has incorporated the charging system and self cleaning capabilities into a new single unit model... The Heatbar.
Image:Acco01.08.jpg - Tobacco Products shows the multilayered tobacco cigarette that is heated inside the device.
I think SE could be in bed with PM, their undercover MO with the FDA could be to ensure no other supplier gets to market their product.
Lost me here Grandma.... Care to explain further? Really not sure what if anything SE has done Undercover as you put it. Maybe just something lost in translation here , but IMO, SE has been Ultra Prominant in the media and one of the primary manufacturers to force an FDA investigation by refusing to halt their unsubstantiated health and safety claims.
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My husband has been a heavy smoker for 30 years. He has been smoking the e-cig for about 6 weeks. He has one analog every morning. From two packs a day to one cigarette a day. Amazing. I am the one who initiated researching and buying his penstyle. I do not smoke. In fact, cig smoke bothers me. When hubby is vaping away I smell and feel nothing. There is no frigging way this is not safer for all involved. Risk reduction is a good thing. I am sure some of the thou shalt nots think he shouldn't vape at all. Screw em. The cat is out of the bag. A bump in the road may be coming but I am confident it will not last.
People who don't smoke do not realize that when the gov't is done with the smokers they are coming for them.
People who don't smoke do not realize that when the gov't is done with the smokers they are coming for them.
Why do you care about it being the "legal" way to continue vaping?
Would you really put down your PV of choice just because it's illegal?
Would you use some inferior product just because it's "government approved"?
In regards to the Heatbar, This is a clever trick for the tobacco company. Even if you use this you still have to buy the cigarettes to put in it, they still get your money just as if you still smoke regulars and you still pay the high taxes. So they never lose a dime and will make even more money from Heatbar sales.
Big scam. IMO.
If they come out with an e-liquid vaporizer, I'll be interested.
If the ban happens I'll get an I-inhale and grow some tobacco myself.
I can't go back to burning tobacco like a caveman.
Big scam. IMO.
If they come out with an e-liquid vaporizer, I'll be interested.
If the ban happens I'll get an I-inhale and grow some tobacco myself.
I can't go back to burning tobacco like a caveman.
There are threads on the Heatbar in the Alternatives section. It is not at all like our devices. It uses real tobacco, and heats it via a charcoal tip. Users say the taste is quite unpleasant, with a distinct barbecue charcoal taste.
PM has the Aria, a true nicotine inhaler, patented but has not yet marketed it. That, too, has been discussed and photos shown in other threads. Other Big Tobacco experiments have been the Premiere and Eclipse. Quest offers zero-nic tobacco cigarettes, as well.
E-cigs are a different animal.
PM has the Aria, a true nicotine inhaler, patented but has not yet marketed it. That, too, has been discussed and photos shown in other threads. Other Big Tobacco experiments have been the Premiere and Eclipse. Quest offers zero-nic tobacco cigarettes, as well.
E-cigs are a different animal.
All these "alternatives" from PM sound so gastly, if the choice was either them or cigs, I think I'd just stick to cigs...
Much happier with my PV
I completely agree. I think it's their way to "modernize" although it looks appalling. Total scam. If I ever started smoking analogs again (which I have no plans to do) I would NEVER buy from Philip Morris again. I just realized as I was typing, though, that they are a huge conglomerate and I must be supporting them anyways since I know they own other smaller companies, too. And, I don't know which ones, yet.
No wonder they are so against e-cigs. It makes their "innovative" product look middle ages. They have no interest in our health as has been proven time and again.
The Judge will hear arguments on Smoking Everywhere's ("SE") motion for a preliminary injunction on 5/15.
In order to be awarded a preliminary injunction, SE must establish:
(1) likelihood of success on the merits;
(2) irreparable harm if preliminary relief is not granted;
(3) the balance of hardships tips in the plainitff's favor; and
(4) the public interest in a preliminary injunction.
Personally, I think SE is going to lose. But, we'll see.
In order to be awarded a preliminary injunction, SE must establish:
(1) likelihood of success on the merits;
(2) irreparable harm if preliminary relief is not granted;
(3) the balance of hardships tips in the plainitff's favor; and
(4) the public interest in a preliminary injunction.
Personally, I think SE is going to lose. But, we'll see.
Rob, Thanks for the update on the Court Docket. This should be very interesting to say the least----Sun
I disagree, The judge in this case actually seems sincere in his small government stance, He was the one who found in favor of GITMO detainees claims to habeus corpus in opposition to the justice dept.
Honestly I don't think SE couldn't have gotten a better judge for this case.
Were these detainees US citizens? Wouldn't expanding the US constitution to non-US citizens seem a fairly liberal minded action to you? There must a contract for there to be a "right" to anything, and our constitution is an agreement between the government and its citizens.
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The Constitution is a control on the actions of the Federal Government the citizenship of the individuals it is trying to act upon is irrelevant.
Consider the wording the Bill of Rights does not say that the government shall not pass laws denying U.S Citizens their rights to free speech and freedom of Religion it say that the government shall pass no Law regarding etc.
That is a strict reading of the constitution. Trying to apply those protections based on citizenship is the loose interpretation.
"The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same."
Look at the lanuguage here - The consititution was formed from a confederation of states who agreed on certain priniciples when founding one central Federal government - that's it! It has no bearing on any non-citizen. It is a very liberal idea to expand the scope of the constitution to non-citizens.
Look at the lanuguage here - The consititution was formed from a confederation of states who agreed on certain priniciples when founding one central Federal government - that's it! It has no bearing on any non-citizen. It is a very liberal idea to expand the scope of the constitution to non-citizens.
hey what do we need for another tea party
how about a nic juice party
how many years has the sky high tobacco taxs (as well as alcohol taxs yes) been paying for how much in this counrty it's time we got a break for our health
how about a nic juice party
how many years has the sky high tobacco taxs (as well as alcohol taxs yes) been paying for how much in this counrty it's time we got a break for our health
Yeah, I thought maybe smokers should organize a "cigarette party," while no economist/historian, I'm sure the tax on tea was a pittance compared to the taxes they keep slapping on smokes!
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