FDA to propose rule on ecigarettes Monday 4-28-2014

[Sirius]

Hey Sorry! This is my first thread ever so I'm still trying to figure out how use ECF and all the functions etc... I know how to edit my posts, I'm still trying to figure out how to edit the header. Help me?

Advanced settings I think. Don't quote me though I have only started a few myself..lol

 

[Cuando]

I don't see it so much as "they" will go after DIY.

PG, VG ,Food Flavorings and Sweeteners are used in Other Sectors. So their Regulation to in someway Regulate e-liquid use is Unrealistic.

It's the Nicotine Base. Isn't that where the Real Concern should be?

I know that if I was going to go on the attack and try and wrap my hands around vaping's neck, I would certainly go for the nicotine. It's the Achilles heel for vaping, the one thing they can truly tax and regulate. The rest is batteries and candy flavorings and fancy metal tubes.

 

[Sirius]

I don't see it so much as "they" will go after DIY.

PG, VG ,Food Flavorings and Sweeteners are used in Other Sectors. So their Regulation to in someway Regulate e-Liquid use is Unrealistic.

It's the Nicotine Base. Isn't that where the Real Concern should be?

Uh yeah if you go back a couple of pages we discussed that.

 

[Sirius]

What the danger actually is will be superficial legislation that would put mods of any kind in the same class as drug paraphernalia !
That would really sink us imo.

 

[CassiusCloud]

I don't see it so much as "they" will go after DIY.

PG, VG ,Food Flavorings and Sweeteners are used in Other Sectors. So their Regulation to in someway Regulate e-Liquid use is Unrealistic.

It's the Nicotine Base. Isn't that where the Real Concern should be?

lol i totally typo-ed that acronym..

I hope that is where the concern stays and not in other areas where there is DIY.

 

[paigekoontz]

Hey guys, updated my initial post. Still learning about EFC and everything that encompasses the ecigarette industry. I research and am studying a lot, but there's so much information it's easy to fall into one rabbit hole and then right into another. I love reading what everyone writes because it's a break from the research information I've buried myself in. Thought we were going to get a big unveiling of a proposed rule... turned out to be a draft. My bad guys.

 

[Sirius]

Hey guys, updated my initial post. Still learning about EFC and everything that encompasses the ecigarette industry. I research and am studying a lot, but there's so much information it's easy to fall into one rabbit hole and then right into another. I love reading what everyone writes because it's a break from the research information I've buried myself in. Thought we were going to get a big unveiling of a proposed rule... turned out to be a draft. My bad guys.

N worries Paige -- excellent discussion and tyvm for the thread.

 

[zoiDman]

I know that if I was going to go on the attack and try and wrap my hands around vaping's neck, I would certainly go for the nicotine. It's the Achilles heel for vaping, the one thing they can truly tax and regulate. The rest is batteries and candy flavorings and fancy metal tubes.

Unfortunately, this is what is Going to Happen.

Uh yeah if you go back a couple of pages we discussed that.

It has been Discussed in Many Threads.

I'm just Surprised sometimes when I hear people mention that they are Not Worried about things. That they will just do DIY so Whatever happens Isn't going to Effect them.

But it would seem that a 300% or 400% Tax on Nicotine Base Effects Everyone.

Not say'n that You or Anyone else in this thread has Not Considered this. But I have read Many Posts where people seem to think that Nicotine Base will somehow Not be Effected by the Coming Changes.

 

[stevegmu]

I don't see any kind of federal tax anytime soon, except for an all-encompassing internet VAT. I do expect some states to become very interested in declaring e-juice a tobacco product, then taxing it thusly. Nic will be regulated, though- packaging and concentrations, definitely. After seeing pics of leaking packages of nic sent in the mail, I also imagine the USPS will add nicotine to the list of substances which can not be shipped.

 

[tj99959]

Unfortunately, this is what is Going to Happen.




It has been Discussed in Many Threads.

I'm just Surprised sometimes when I hear people mention that they are Not Worried about things. That they will just do DIY so Whatever happens Isn't going to Effect them.

But it would seem that a 300% or 400% Tax on Nicotine Base Effects Everyone.
Not say'n that You or Anyone else in this thread has Not Considered this. But I have read Many Posts where people seem to think that Nicotine Base will somehow Not be Effected by the Coming Changes.

But how can they put a 300 - 400% tax on the nicotine used for e-liquid, and not on the same nicotine used in NRT's???

Anyone doing DIY nicotine gum?

OR .. Honest FDA .. I'm just using this 100mg nicotine to kill fire ants. After all, you did say it can kill children.

 

[sonicdsl]

But how can they put a 300 - 400% tax on the nicotine used for e-liquid, and not on the same nicotine used in NRT's???

Because NRT's are medicine, controlled by BP.

 

[zoiDman]

But how can they put a 300 - 400% tax on the nicotine used for e-liquid, and not on the same nicotine used in NRT's???

...

Not trying to sound Trite.

But Why does our Government need a Reason to Tax Something?

And Because they Tax one thing and Not Another isn't really a Factor. And He who has the Best Lobbyists get Taxed the Least.

 

[tj99959]

Because NRT's are medicine, controlled by BP which owns the FDA.

There, fixed that for ya

 

[patkin]

But how can they put a 300 - 400% tax on the nicotine used for e-liquid, and not on the same nicotine used in NRT's???

Anyone doing DIY nicotine gum?

OR .. Honest FDA .. I'm just using this 100mg nicotine to kill fire ants. After all, you did say it can kill children.

Are you serious? Luxury and sin taxes have never been about anything other than government greed. Think TIRES! Is driving your car a "luxury" or a necessity these days?

 

[zoiDman]

Are you serious? Luxury and sin taxes have never been about anything other than government greed. Think TIRES! Is driving your car a "luxury" or a necessity these days?

Yeah... When your in a 17.5 Trillion Dollars Hole (that's Trillion with a "T") you Don't Need a lot of Reasons to Tax something.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

In Fact, you have 17,583,892,604,743 Reasons to do so.

And that is Just the Feds. What about the State you Live In? Do you think they are going to Pass Up all that Free Money Laying on the Floor?

 

[CassiusCloud]

It has been Discussed in Many Threads.

I'm just Surprised sometimes when I hear people mention that they are Not Worried about things. That they will just do DIY so Whatever happens Isn't going to Effect them.

But it would seem that a 300% or 400% Tax on Nicotine Base Effects Everyone.

Not say'n that You or Anyone else in this thread has Not Considered this. But I have read Many Posts where people seem to think that Nicotine Base will somehow Not be Effected by the Coming Changes.

that was kind of what i was trying to say in that first post..

That personal DIY is not how you fight off regulation..
and that it'll hit everyone pretty much..

Have to fight the government and regulation with a good sized united front so they know we mean it..

 

[sonicdsl]

DIY is great if you know how to or learn how to do it. Sure you can learn, and maybe won't have a problem if regulations end up being too strict, or store enough stuff if they are.

But what about those that are new to vaping, or haven't discovered the benefits of vaping yet?

What about the principle of the matter - of being over-regulated on something that is a harm reduction product? If the regulations are stricter than simple consumer protection how easy will it be to continue the revolution?

At what point do we say "Enough!"?

Unless we get enough vapers or vaper-friendly non-vapers to band together and let TPTB know that we won't stand for obstacles to better health, we will lose the freedom with vaping that we currently have.

I am saddened by the amount of apathy and ignorance (and no, I don't mean stupidity, I mean lack of knowledge) I see in the community sometimes.

We must spread the word and come together to fight off over-regulation. ECF, Twitter, FB, emails, snail-mail, phone calls, vape meets, B&M Vape Store visits, emails/PM's to your online vape stores, tell your friends, tell your friends to tell their friends. Without this effort.... well look what happened in the EU.

/soapbox

 

[stevegmu]

I think the apathy comes from so many threads- some years old, stating regulations are due next week, yet nothing ever happens...

 

[MorpheusPA]

I think the apathy comes from so many threads- some years old, stating regulations are due next week, yet nothing ever happens...

I'll believe it when I see it, and when I can read the regulations that are released.

Which doesn't mean I don't have 2 liters of 100 mg/ml nicotine in the freezer because I do...I just don't believe in getting annoyed until I have something to get annoyed about.

 

[CassiusCloud]

DIY is great if you know how to or learn how to do it. Sure you can learn, and maybe won't have a problem if regulations end up being too strict, or store enough stuff if they are.

But what about those that are new to vaping, or haven't discovered the benefits of vaping yet?

What about the principle of the matter - of being over-regulated on something that is a harm reduction product? If the regulations are stricter than simple consumer protection how easy will it be to continue the revolution?

At what point do we say "Enough!"?

Unless we get enough vapers or vaper-friendly non-vapers to band together and let TPTB know that we won't stand for obstacles to better health, we will lose the freedom with vaping that we currently have.

I am saddened by the amount of apathy and ignorance (and no, I don't mean stupidity, I mean lack of knowledge) I see in the community sometimes.

We must spread the word and come together to fight off over-regulation. ECF, Twitter, FB, emails, snail-mail, phone calls, vape meets, B&M Vape Store visits, emails/PM's to your online vape stores, tell your friends, tell your friends to tell their friends. Without this effort.... well look what happened in the EU.

/soapbox

I totally agree with that.
What you are saying is what i have been getting at or trying to say..
I'm wondering how i am coming off sounding as if i am not? hehehe