Feel weird vaping in public

[brittanyNI]

I don't see what religion has to do with it. What you are saying makes no sense to me. I still can't figure out if you're claiming that people who hate vaping are atheist, or people who vape are atheist, or how Catholics that use birth control fits into anything.

What I am getting at ... is that people are approaching this as a fundamentally RELIGIOUS issue. People who would be horrified to see me impose MY morality on them in any other sense feel perfectly self-righteously sanctimonious about imposing THEIR morality in respect to vaping.

And when it comes to vaping it is a MORAL issue only -- not really a health issue. Unlike smoking in which at least some sort of health argument can be mustered, no real health issue can be argued.

So it has the character of a religious crusade.

 

[chad]

Bottom line: If it bothers you, don't do it. Bad to stress yourself out worrying about vaping indoors in public places.

Or, just relax and see the fact you're doing something interesting as a way to spark conversation and meet new people. Everyone is afraid of the unknown. A little chat goes along way and you'll soon see people warm up a bit. Just welcome the looks as an invitation to explain how cool vaping is.

 

[Optimo]

I don't see how after 3 or 4 years or however long e-cigs have been out that hardly anybody actually knows what vaping is in the general public. You would think by now when you use a e-cig in public people would know what you are doing and just overlook it but thats not the case. I never see anybody else using them in public and when I use them people think I'm smoking some king of illegal drug or a real cigarette.

 

[Red Dog]

I don't see how after 3 or 4 years or however long e-cigs have been out that hardly anybody actually knows what vaping is in the general public. You would think by now when you use a e-cig in public people would know what you are doing and just overlook it but thats not the case. I never see anybody else using them in public and when I use them people think I'm smoking some king of illegal drug or a real cigarette.

That's the problem, not enough people are out there openly using them in public. Too many try to hide it like the are doing something illegal, or smoking. We need to get out there and be seen by the public so that they can see that it's not smoking, that there is a difference.

 

[Pheisty]

What I am getting at ... is that people are approaching this as a fundamentally RELIGIOUS issue. People who would be horrified to see me impose MY morality on them in any other sense feel perfectly self-righteously sanctimonious about imposing THEIR morality in respect to vaping.

And when it comes to vaping it is a MORAL issue only -- not really a health issue. Unlike smoking in which at least some sort of health argument can be mustered, no real health issue can be argued.

So it has the character of a religious crusade.

I know exactly what you're saying, Brittany. People have no logical reason to be against it, and there are no facts to backup any sort of reasoning as to why it should be illegal, etc, so therefore it is purely a faith-based/moral (religious, if you will) issue.

And Baldir, that doesn't mean that any specific religion (or lack of one) is attached to the "crusade against e-cigs". Think philosophically--not literally--on this.

 

[Wired All Wrong]

...People have no logical reason to be against it, and there are no facts to backup any sort of reasoning as to why it should be illegal, etc, so therefore it is purely a faith-based/moral (religious, if you will) issue.

When I vape at work in the back/break room, pretty much everyone is cool with it (they actually always tell me how they really like the smell of my vapes) everyone but one girl, she treats it as if I'm blowing out some poison that will kill her in instant, yet she has no problems with cigarette smoke all around at all. I have explained to her numerous times how this has no effect to her, specially in comparing to cigarette smoke, but she refuses to get it, in her mind I know, this hole "vaping" is very unknown territory, and she told me that she rather inhale known poison than unknown vape.

If any of this makes any sense at all, but only that some people are fearing of the unknown I guess and they react to it how they know best which basically is by trying to doom anything that's out of norm from their perspective, ...much like some of us who vape are in fear of not being excepted by others and in fear that we will stand out with our strange devices to the rest, so we often discrete with the fast that we vape.

I don't have the need to blend in, so I don't hide it at all, I embrace it. I just only feel weird to vape in places were clouds of smoke would be out of place (stores, restaurants etc.) and I no longer feel like I belong in the section were all the rest of real smokers doomed to smoke because I don't feel as one of them anymore, nor do I enjoy a second hand smoke, not so much that it's bad, but because to me now days it simply stinks

 

[Pheisty]

If any of this makes any sense at all, but only that some people are fearing of the unknown I guess and they react to it how they know best which basically is by trying to doom anything that's out of norm from their perspective, ...much like some of us who vape are in fear of not being excepted by others and in fear that we will stand out with our strange devices to the rest, so we often discrete with the fast that we vape.

People have just turned into scared little Chicken Littles, and I thank trial lawyers and politicians for that.

$10 says that girl does something else in her life that truly is dangerous and is a health-hazard.

 

[carpedebass]

I guess I'm on the side of the fence that will vape anywhere and everywhere I want to vape. If someone says anything about it to me, I'll educate them. If someone tells me I can't smoke, I simply respond "I'm not smoking, thank you for your concern" and move on about my business.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

I vape in restaurants. But if they ask me to stop, I'll stop, not scream about "my rights".

Take a deep breath and relax. This is not your pet political thread, where you get to rant all about teh gub'mint stepping all over poor, unsuspecting business owners. This is a thread about private citizens exercising their ultimate right to - yes DICTATE to a business owner. We all do it every day, when we decide we will or we will not spend money at a business.

Sure, a business owner can set any policy he wants, can price any way he wants, and his customer base can tell him to go fly a kite - and he'll soon be out of business - or reward him for meeting customer demand. You can meekly accept whatever gets handed out (somehow I doubt you use that in most areas of your life) and just slink away without saying a word or you can stand up and say "I don't find this acceptable" and let the business know what it takes to get and keep your business. Personally I think my approach is more effective for both me and the business, but hey, if passive-aggressive works for you, who am I to argue?

 

[DebiMax]

Here's my take on the whole vaping in public thing. I don't normally vape inside stores and restaurants. However, if there is a business that is vape-friendly, I am more likely to spend my hard earned cash there. And I normally ask either way. If I'm told no, then I respect that, and don't vape until I am outside. At home and in my car, and a friend/family member's houses, I normally just vape away with no problems. And if a the owner of the house asks me to stop, or go outside, then that's what I do. Being polite, imho, will go a lot further towards educating then being 'in your face' about it.

Just my 2 cents!

 

[XKingXGregX]

ya the gooseneck is the best thing since ecigs, i carry two pvs on me when i leave the house and the gooseneck has to be on one of them, its almost feels like i have a portable hookah in my pocket sometimes, i wouldnt vape inside unless its stealth though, i usually hide in a bathroom or something when i feel the urge

 

[IB Crow]

E Cigs are pretty well known now, most people realize its an e cig after a double take.

 

[XKingXGregX]

I have a few suporvisors that consider it smoking still as a electrician id be kicked out of any building if seen using one no questions asked probavly wouldnt be told why my boss would get a call so I shelth vape above ceiling grid

 

[sweetmeat]

I'd rather feel weird vaping in public than feeling homicidal otherwise...

It amazes me how we've met and, in some cases, surpassed the ol' Sci-Fi fiction 'expectations'!

LOL! So true! Sometimes I smoke my e-cig while reading my e-book O_O

 

[Gristle]

Don't worry, you'll get more comfortable as times go on. What will happen is more and more people will ask you your secret -- so carry ECF cards!!!!...)

Where can I get some ECF cards?

 

[db13berry]

Where can I get some ECF cards?

Click on the ECF Store tab at the top of the forum. They have them there.

 

[HazeyPurpleHippy]

I don't see how after 3 or 4 years or however long e-cigs have been out that hardly anybody actually knows what vaping is in the general public. You would think by now when you use a e-cig in public people would know what you are doing and just overlook it but thats not the case. I never see anybody else using them in public and when I use them people think I'm smoking some king of illegal drug or a real cigarette.

I know what u mean. I have never once, been out and about newhere, and seen somebody else vaping! It blows my mind that they have been around for so long, and theres a whole gigantic vaping community, yet I have never met a fellow vaper out in public!!!

 

[talontsiawd]

I have just started vaping and still smoke (although much less). I am respectful as a smoker but stand up for myself when I am allowed to smoke somewhere. If somebody still has an issue, I will tell them to back off and go away.

I live in an odd area. Some places close to me, it's more acceptable for a crack addict to smoke in an ally way than it is for me to smoke a cigarette in a similar place. This is a great time to vape and educate.

I don't see how anyone can justify vaping around someone who doesn't want to have it around them, because they order food, from an establishment they are in, that smells bad to you. Don't blame the person, blame the restaurant. Even with perfume, or lack of the like, just politely move, just in the same way most of use don't like to defend ourselves, why go ahead and make someone else uncomfortable.

Maybe it's just me but vaping is an alternative to smoking, not a free pass to do whatever I want with it. Even if totally legal, I still think common courtesy should held in high regard. There is no law saying you must shower and wear deodorant but I think it's common courtesy to do so.

Maybe I will feel different in time. For now, I am sticking to bathrooms. I will ask at a bar (all bars are non smoking in CA legally). I won't be vaping at the local drug store or restaurant. Out doors, I will do it wherever.

 

[Wingapo]

I may be almost alone here but where I'm at the other substances that people sill smoke openly seem to make it possible to vape in public without drawing hardly a second glance. Last weekend I did a little photo shoot with a couple of my PV's using the classic cop cars at the police station as backgrounds and not a single on of the officers who walked right by me even gave me a second glance. I love New Mexico!

Next step is to start using the GGTS with and iAtty topping it off in public. Maybe I'll even pick up the extension tube so I can 6v two 18650's with it looking and acting like foot and a half long shiny muffler. Now that's when I'll know for sure that I have no problem whatsoever vaping in public.

As for the reality of my situation, I don't really leave or work near that many people so I don't have to worry that much about this particular subject nearly as much as many of the rest here do. I just tend to use smaller stealthier mods anyway so I'm not to worried about it where I live. Now if I lived in a big city I might feel a bit more troubled about it and tend to more often use my smallest mods in public but I think that when I need to go to big cities now I'll be so used to vaping most anywhere I please without trouble that I won't even think about vaping there as well. But, like I said it'w when you start sucking on a muffler sized PV like a double sized GG that you know for certain you're beyond caring what anyone else thinks and if anyone does give you trouble you've got the perfect defense mechanism right there waving around in your hand.

 

[DaveP]

We vote with our feet and our pocketbook, but you have to remember that over 75% of the public doesn't smoke and most of them don't vape. So, we represent part of that 25% of the population that, in their eyes, just can't give up inhaling foreign substances into our lungs. No matter what we use, we are still addicted to nicotine. They know that and look down upon us from a pedestal.

Public kiosks get lambasted here on the forum for selling overpriced ecigs and even more expensive cartridges to go with them. We really should be glad that these places exist. You can't advertise tobacco products on TV and ecigs just got classified as tobacco products recently by the FDA. Any public display of ecigs for sale legitimizes the product.

As far as dealing with the public goes, we should be aware that people sometimes don't understand when they see us sucking on a piece of metal pipe and getting "smoke" out of it. I like the idea of explaining to them that it's a vaporizer that keeps me off tobacco while I am quitting cigarettes. 99% of the nicotine is absorbed into my lungs and there's virtually none left in what I exhale. That's true, according to the tests available and I try not to create side stream vapor while using my ecig.

Be nice, explain when challenged, and let the tobacco nazis think what they want. After all, we don't want to gain reputations of being just as bad as cigarette smokers.

People who get aggravated with something tell 10 others. We want them to understand and confront the anti-ecig crowd with the facts we give them. If they are satisfied that it's a good way to quit tobacco, they will tell others and help us gain public acceptance. Don't give them a reason to tell a story about that person with the crack pipe that sat next to them and argued with them about their rights last Saturday night and ruined their dining experience or their movie.