FUTURE IDEA: Variable Voltage X2?

[1st Officer]

If people move beyond SI that is ok...means we have done the job and have helped you make the switch to vaping... you know what they say you always remember your first

Not to mention those companies that stray too far from their core business model by trying to be everything to everybody end up being nothing to nobody. If you have a business model that works well and SI no doubt has nailed that, then why tempt fate? If it weren't for SI I would have never made it passed the first month and I will always remember that! Hopefully for 10 or 20 years longer than I would have without you guys. can I get a AMEN?

 

[nightfell]

Not to mention those companies that stray to far from their core business model by trying to be everything to everybody end up being nothing to nobody. If you have a business model that works well and SI no doubt has nailed that, then why tempt fate? If it weren't for SI I would have never made it passed the first month and I will always remember that! Hopefully for 10 or 20 years longer than I would have without you guys. can I get a AMEN?

I'll give you an amen and 2 woop woops. SI's model has worked for me so far.

 

[nightfell]

SI really is vaping version of fisher price which is what makes them so awesome.

 

[mudhill]

If people move beyond SI that is ok...means we have done the job and have helped you make the switch to vaping... you know what they say you always remember your first

i remember my first e-cig,what a bad experience that was,,that was 2.5 years ago with a 3dom kit,,what a waste of money and time.
i lasted about a month on it and never did quit smoking all the time i was using it,,what a bummer!

 

[Renolizzie]

Not to mention those companies that stray too far from their core business model by trying to be everything to everybody end up being nothing to nobody. If you have a business model that works well and SI no doubt has nailed that, then why tempt fate? If it weren't for SI I would have never made it passed the first month and I will always remember that! Hopefully for 10 or 20 years longer than I would have without you guys. can I get a AMEN?

Amen to that!!!!

 

[voodoocharlie]

yeah but what is the benefit if you cannot use the mini stuff on the VV?

The benefit for my buddy and I understand his Rational is when you have a company you deal with for all your ecig stuff it has one face one name some people perfer that. Because I'm a SI user I won't goto VV unless Smokeless image does one and I want to but I'm a avid Smokeless image fan

This would also give SI a line such like Volcano you have the basic kit the volt this is your mini Ecig here are all the accessories for that

Then you have the V2 line here are all your accessories that work with that basically all the same items that work with the volt

Then you have your VV line which now you introduce your 3.0 ohm or greater Carto's and you introduce more items

Breaking it down with with this line use with this product.

To me if gives you room to expand gives you more products and gives you more of the market

But hey thats my thoughts I'm not a business major. But I am a electrical engineer

 

[Bukket5]

I have an Ego VV that I use for a paper weight but if SI made a X2 VV I would buy it cause I gotta have one of everything! What I found with the VV is you almost always end up at 3.5 to 3.7 anyway as that seems to be the sweet spot of most 510 tanks and cartos so unless you are a fan of hot vapor I think they are a waste of money. I got mine off Craigs List for $20 just to play around with it but got bored in about a day and threw it in the box with all the other stuff I thought might be cool to play around with. I hear Craigs List in most places won't list PVs but around here they still list firearms as long as you don't use the word gun or firearm and just stick with model numbers and calibers. I guess CLs word filter only looks for certain key words.

I love my twist. The sweet spot for my coffee is 4.0. I'm not looking for SI to make a VV that hits 6 or 7. I would just like to have an X2 that can reach about 4.0. Plus have the ability to lower it for those flavors that tend to come alive when lowered to 3.4. I like fruit flavors lower.

 

[Bukket5]

the bottom horizontal coil in the cartos... can not handle more then 4 volts... its just the design of them which make them work so well on 3.7 volts ...all of our equipment is balanced to work on 3.6-3.7 volts. We take the guess work out of it. SI's goal is to be the best beginner and intermediate experience... we are not looking to be an advanced or hobbiest company. There are companies out there that have that business model and do it quite well already ... places like Volcano as mentioned below...still only dabble in VV and would not be able to keep up with the advanced user in the end.

That's why a basic VV X2 would be perfect! Limit it to 4.0 if that is the max your equipment can handle. 4.0 is the exact sweet spot I want. But I also like most fruits and softer juices at 3.2 - 3.4. I'm not looking for an advanced complicated VV. I just want to be able to make a small adjustment and use a quality product like the X2.

 

[propagandax]

More variables equals more complication, just saying

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[madmartyr72]

More variables equals more complication, just saying

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Hmm, I kinda look at that as a catch 22. Would something like a VV X2 add some confusion? Sure. Would it add to the spice of individual selection as well? Absolutely. The world of vaping is just as selective as smoking ever was (we all had our brands), probably even more so. We can all remember back to the first time we had heard about this new invention called 'The Ecig', and likewise the first time we started to do a little research...ugh! Talk about overwhelming! There were times it felt like my head would explode, and times in fact that I felt so overwhelmed I contemplated if it would even be worth it at all. More than likely, the majority of everyone on these forums at one time had also felt that way.

Remember the early days of cell phones? Good grief - they were the size of shoe boxes, with an antennae friggin three feet long! Remember cell phones from ten years ago? Five years ago? Two years ago? Imagine if you could go back five or six years ago and take with you a modern iPhone. Most people's responses would be along the lines of 'Wth is all that?! Siri what? Why do you need GPS on a phone? That's not a phone it's a friggin computer! No thanks. Too complicated for me...'. Most phones six years ago allowed you to make calls, text, browse the internet, and play rudimentary games - now they do everything but cook you breakfast in the mornings (my cell phone has faster processors than the four year old laptop I am using to write this post lol)! The same fundamentals can be said about anything techie and electrical, and the world of PV devices qualifies as that.

All in all I agree that adding a VV X2 further down the road would cause a little bit of confusion...at first. Even the most non-savvy tech-head out there could learn pretty much all there was about variable voltage and low resist and high resist cartos in virtually no time at all, and whether or not a VV device would even be for them. I have never believed that a company has to lose anything at all by simply adding a convenience, and in this case the convenience would be variety.

 

[bluecat]

Not to mention those companies that stray too far from their core business model by trying to be everything to everybody end up being nothing to nobody. If you have a business model that works well and SI no doubt has nailed that, then why tempt fate? If it weren't for SI I would have never made it passed the first month and I will always remember that! Hopefully for 10 or 20 years longer than I would have without you guys. can I get a AMEN?

Jack of all trades and master of none.

Amen as well.

In my line of business I tell my clients that I am not specialized in some of the things they need. Its tough but the flipside is I could lose my license, my livelyhood, be sued and/or go to jail. I wont take that risk.

 

[bluecat]

Most business start with a business plan. They tend to follow them and either break even or bust. Those rare ones go beyond that. Then they can either branch out to other products or more locations.

I have seen companies deviate from their plan and go bust even while the owner works 24/7. It aint pretty. I have seen fortunes blown through and grown men cry because they have nothing left. All the while I have to be that guy that tells them yes it sucks you lost eveything and you owe the IRS 250k.

Not to say that it is always a bad thing. SI is one of the few with sealed autos. All their products work together. I havent seen a 808 threaded auto vv anywhere. It would be a first. That would mean capital for design, testing and safety. Can they turn a profit on it?

With all that said. I would buy one if SI developed it.

 

[Duster6524]

Smokeless Image is doing it right!!!

my little

 

[Grimwald]

For me, I came to SI because my head was spinning. This whole PV thing was just another whim, an attempt to cut down on cigs, I read things on this forum but finally settled on what I thought was the easiest solution...the Volt. I never expected it to actually work...but here I am smoke free for over a month. It took nothing more than a few batteries, and cartos and juice. Simplicity at it's finest. Why mess up a good thing. Sure, I look at all the other stuff, the egos, kgos, 510s, yada yada...it's all greek to me. At least for now, I'm good.

 

[voodoocharlie]

Hmm, I kinda look at that as a catch 22. Would something like a VV X2 add some confusion? Sure. Would it add to the spice of individual selection as well? Absolutely. The world of vaping is just as selective as smoking ever was (we all had our brands), probably even more so. We can all remember back to the first time we had heard about this new invention called 'The Ecig', and likewise the first time we started to do a little research...ugh! Talk about overwhelming! There were times it felt like my head would explode, and times in fact that I felt so overwhelmed I contemplated if it would even be worth it at all. More than likely, the majority of everyone on these forums at one time had also felt that way.

Remember the early days of cell phones? Good grief - they were the size of shoe boxes, with an antennae friggin three feet long! Remember cell phones from ten years ago? Five years ago? Two years ago? Imagine if you could go back five or six years ago and take with you a modern iPhone. Most people's responses would be along the lines of 'Wth is all that?! Siri what? Why do you need GPS on a phone? That's not a phone it's a friggin computer! No thanks. Too complicated for me...'. Most phones six years ago allowed you to make calls, text, browse the internet, and play rudimentary games - now they do everything but cook you breakfast in the mornings (my cell phone has faster processors than the four year old laptop I am using to write this post lol)! The same fundamentals can be said about anything techie and electrical, and the world of PV devices qualifies as that.

All in all I agree that adding a VV X2 further down the road would cause a little bit of confusion...at first. Even the most non-savvy tech-head out there could learn pretty much all there was about variable voltage and low resist and high resist cartos in virtually no time at all, and whether or not a VV device would even be for them. I have never believed that a company has to lose anything at all by simply adding a convenience, and in this case the convenience would be variety.

Looks like we are alone on a island 2 for everyone else against

 

[GummiSnorri]

I would like to see a VV model... But it's far from being a craving for me...

If I HAVE to, I'll get myself an eGo Twist & some Vivi Nova tanks...

Until then, sugar me with some of those X2's & Clearos ! =D

 

[Harplayr]

Looks like we are alone on a island 2 for everyone else against

Make that 3 for.

I kind of backed into SI having already advanced to a Kgo and Twist. Even though I love the more advanced stuff, I still love the 78 form factor and found the Volt to be hands down the best one out there.

I've pretty much abandoned my Kgo and Ego because the Kgo is not regulated and doesn't hold the sweet spot as the battery dies, and the eGo is regulated at 2.4v which is too low for me. That's where the X2 at a regulated 2.6v has a clear advantage over those products. Once again they've come out with what I'd consider the best in class product.

What I love about the Twist is that I can easily set it for the juice I'm vaping and then forget it. It holds it's value from start to finish. As far as complexity goes, if you can work a volume knob on your radio then you can operate a Twist. If SI is afraid of poping coils or thinks that having voltage numbers stamped on the PV will confuse the newbee, then they can just limit the output to a safe value and have the adjustment knob stamped Hot - Cold or something on that order. It could still be compatible with their other product lines and be easy to use.

 

[bluecat]

For me, I came to SI because my head was spinning. This whole PV thing was just another whim, an attempt to cut down on cigs, I read things on this forum but finally settled on what I thought was the easiest solution...the Volt. I never expected it to actually work...but here I am smoke free for over a month. It took nothing more than a few batteries, and cartos and juice. Simplicity at it's finest. Why mess up a good thing. Sure, I look at all the other stuff, the egos, kgos, 510s, yada yada...it's all greek to me. At least for now, I'm good.

If you think about it (all depending why you vape mine was to drop the smokes) I went to the gas station gave them 6-7 bucks for a pack of smokes and maybe got a free lighter. Packed the pack of smokes for a bit. Lit and smoked. It was simple. That is all I need. Some people just have to have the latest, which is fine. Apple puts out a new iphone every 6 months and people go giddy on it. The Leno or Obrien piece was hilarious on the iphone.

To each their own mate.

 

[bluecat]

... then they can just limit the output to a safe value and have the adjustment knob stamped Hot - Cold or something on that order. It could still be compatible with their other product lines and be easy to use.

People will still screw it up and then complain.

I have thought about getting a twist. Why, the 510 connection. As I was surfing info last night, I had a bad bought of insomnia, I filled a ce3 with some homemade liquid and vaped away on my X2. I was reading then realized I was happy with what I had. My only issue is that my X2's take forever to charge using the 1.5 amp SI plug. That is why I was looking. I really want a beefier battery but I want the convenience that I have now. So it is either purchase a few more X2s or look at other fat batts. I like autos which makes a huge difference in selections. I really don't want to push a button.

 

[Harplayr]

People will still screw it up and then complain.

I have thought about getting a twist. Why, the 510 connection. As I was surfing info last night, I had a bad bought of insomnia, I filled a ce3 with some homemade liquid and vaped away on my X2. I was reading then realized I was happy with what I had. My only issue is that my X2's take forever to charge using the 1.5 amp SI plug. That is why I was looking. I really want a beefier battery but I want the convenience that I have now. So it is either purchase a few more X2s or look at other fat batts. I like autos which makes a huge difference in selections. I really don't want to push a button.

That's one constant....people will screw anything up and complain.

It great that you've found your comfort level, and are happy to stay there. Some will be happy at a more advanced level and others will find even the Volt 78 with prefilled carto's too much complexity to handle.

I just find that the abilty to make an easy adjustment like turning the knob to where I like it is something that enhances my vaping experience and makes it more pleasurable without adding undue complexity outragious expense or hassle.

One great example of how this would be useful is with the bad batch of CE3's that worked fine on the 78's but gave a burnt flavor on the X2. I had one of these and was able to just turn the dial down a tad on my Twist to make it vape great on both the 78 and Twist.

I don't think the concept of a volume knob, thermostat for your heater or stove isn't too foreign a concept for most adults to comprehend, and most will "get it" and make that transition to being able to operate a PV. As long as they don't get too fancy with it by adding displays with complex menus and just use a simple knob calibrated to safe min-max values then user error will be minimized.