*GEM: A new RTA by MarkBugs

[raitizz]

I made the jump because @ratizz is in, or near, Europe, a hop-skip-jump from a prime vendor

Yep, that's the vendor.
And I really AM in Europe

R

 

[raitizz]

How expensive is NiFe is it really that much where you'd have to sell a couple $10 spools of wire

I'm following he link hopefully my heart can take it

No. I just said it because why not sell what I don't need.
At Zivipf 10m of NiFe48 0.32mm (28g) cost 5.99 € + shipping.

R

 

[h00ligan]

No. I just said it because why not sell what I don't need.
At Zivipf 10m of NiFe48 0.32mm (28g) cost 5.99 € + shipping.

R

Thanks. I assume steam engine has the tcr for it. I'll have to try and get some in for when my boxer is repaired and back at home.

 

[raitizz]

Then again, I probably wouldn't be able to use NiFe48 on the VTC. You can't set the parameters.
You'd need Dicodes or DNA200. Probably...

R

 

[jazzvaper]

Then again, I probably wouldn't be able to use NiFe48 on the VTC. You can't set the parameters.
You'd need Dicodes or DNA200. Probably...

R

Nope, you can also use the SX with its updated S/W. And, I am reasonably sure the VTC has a way of inputting a TCR value. The only question would be how it's parsed.

And, you can always, with any wire do a temp offset. For example, I keep the temp on the DNA40 much lower coz it does not provide a TCR...

 

[raitizz]

Thanks. I assume steam engine has the tcr for it. I'll have to try and get some in for when my boxer is repaired and back at home.

Steam Engine has custom wire option for that. They don't have NiFe48.

4.6 Ohm/m (0,0046 Ohm/mm). Temperature Coefficient: 400.

R

 

[raitizz]

Nope, you can also use the SX with its updated S/W. And, I am reasonably sure the VTC has a way of inputting a TCR value. The only question would be how it's parsed.

And, you can always, with any wire do a temp offset. For example, I keep the temp on the DNA40 much lower coz it does not provide a TCR...

Yes, I was thinking the same way.

R

 

[druckle]

It's very inconsistent. I sent an email that was part of a conversation to mark bugs with no reply regarding his recommendations on how far it should be in or out. If there was a way to make it more solid. I own two GEMS and this is practically a deal killer. Fortunately the incidence of it ja thing when it's on a device and set is rare. But that happens to. And that's even worse than mucking about trying to get it right initially.

Every center pin design like this I've ever tried has this problem. The two fun gt2 has it easy to fix. You just unscrew the pin and when you attach it the pin screws itself in the the perfect place and makes a solid connection. If anything a fix for the gem would rely on getting a different center pin that is a bit more relaxed in how tight and such it is.

Dna200 with such a massive sample rate is probably the worst decide to try and use with the gem. Sticking to older temp control devices or those with different method of sampling seems to be a big improvement. Upside is less expensive mods. Downside is potentially less accurate temperature control which already has questionable accuracy


For me. The flavor of these tanks and the fact they do work 90+ percent once you get the screw set for the proper reading makes it matter less but a tank that didn't taste his good I wouldn't put up with it especially at the price of the tank

I am having totally inconsistent vaping with the GEM also. In fact it is the absolute worst atomizer I have ever experienced with respect to consistency of resistance. I may have an outlier but although all of the machining is impeccable EXCEPT the one thing that MUST be correct (the threads between the 510 contact pin and the positive connection on the deck) my GEM has terrible machining in this critical area. I have spent hours trying to get even one puff that's decent, torn the device down multiple times and recoiled and it's apparent that this particular device is usless with the poorly machined 510 connector pin and the deck threads. I'm definitely done even trying and the device is relegated to return or the trash.

 

[jazzvaper]

@druckle You may indeed have an outlier. Just built my GEM (again) with NiFe48 this afternoon coz I wasn't satisfied with my SS or previous NiFe builds.

The resistance has been ROCK SOLID at 0.24 for hours now...

 

[jazzvaper]

@ratizz You use the "Alloy 52" settings.

 

[raitizz]

@ratizz You use the "Alloy 52" settings.

But it's not the resistance Zivipf has on their site.

Edit: sorry, my bad, I didn't adjust the diameter. Yep, it's basically the same.

R

 

[TheotherSteveS]

But it's not the resistance Zivipf has on their site.

Edit: sorry, my bad, I didn't adjust the diameter. Yep, it's basically the same.

R

NiFe48 and NiFe52 are the same thing! Dont worry!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

I am having totally inconsistent vaping with the GEM also. In fact it is the absolute worst atomizer I have ever experienced with respect to consistency of resistance. I may have an outlier but although all of the machining is impeccable EXCEPT the one thing that MUST be correct (the threads between the 510 contact pin and the positive connection on the deck) my GEM has terrible machining in this critical area. I have spent hours trying to get even one puff that's decent, torn the device down multiple times and recoiled and it's apparent that this particular device is usless with the poorly machined 510 connector pin and the deck threads. I'm definitely done even trying and the device is relegated to return or the trash.

Hi Duane,
my experince is similar although not quite as bad. It is a pain though and I have been close to throwing it across the room on a couple of occasions. It is amazing that, so often, little thought is given to the design of the thing that connects the atty to the power source! A minimum requirement one would have thought but the GEM is not the only example - far from it! Sucks though..

 

[Sptz]

Hmm, I guess until there's a revision where the 510 pin is fully secure then I'm passing this one. That was the reason I sold mt Squape Rs. Too erratic.

 

[druckle]

Hi Duane,
my experince is similar although not quite as bad. It is a pain though and I have been close to throwing it across the room on a couple of occasions. It is amazing that, so often, little thought is given to the design of the thing that connects the atty to the power source! A minimum requirement one would have thought but the GEM is not the only example - far from it! Sucks though..

Steve:

I know that the GEM isn't the only weak sister in the poor connection to the power source family. It's maddening to find that such a critical area is poorly designed and poorly executed. The whole 510 connection approach is wanting in my opinion but a BAD 510 is particularly maddening. What a great atomizer the GEM could be. Unfortunately inertia will likely keep this design constant but maybe someone somewhere will eventually take notice and address some attention to consistent resistance in the connection to the power supply.

 

[jazzvaper]

@druckle Glad to see you return on this issue coz I had more to recommend.

Until the DNA 200 I was unaware of any 510 issue with the GEM. K4 yes, but not the GEM.

What I did to completely resolve the 510 issue was to observe the performance in eScribe, slightly adjusting the 510 until I got the desired/expected performance, namely, the temperature rises, hits the set temp, and hovers at the set temp for a full right (8) seconds.

I have not needed to make any adjustments since that fix.

And of course we need a better connection standard. Did you happen to watch the report of the FDV v. Varitube squabble on PoH last night?

 

[druckle]

@druckle Glad to see you return on this issue coz I had more to recommend.

Until the DNA 200 I was unaware of any 510 issue with the GEM. K4 yes, but not the GEM.

What I did to completely resolve the 510 issue was to observe the performance in eScribe, slightly adjusting the 510 until I got the desired/expected performance, namely, the temperature rises, hits the set temp, and hovers at the set temp for a full right (8) seconds.

I have not needed to make any adjustments since that fix.

And of course we need a better connection standard. Did you happen to watch the report of the FDV v. Varitube squabble on PoH last night?

Jazzvaper

I missed that I'll have to go searching. I'd like to see what they say.

There are a lot of issues which need to be addressed in a proper connector. Control of contact area, contact pressure material oxide/contamination etc. and a loose floppy undersized thread is about the worst approach that one could imagine to do a decent job yet it's a very common way for folks to address the issue, probably because no one bothers to think and that's the way other people address it. Sad

I would guess that by adjusting the screw in small increments you are managing to get slightly better contact. Unfortunately the threads on that pin are so poor that the pin is easily turned just from screwing the atty onto a mod so it's really "by guess and by gosh "as to whether things will work better or worse after pin fiddling.

Duane

 

[mommabird62]

All packages posted today. Three haven't replied my PMs, shall wait for a week and then those would be up for grabs.

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[qorax]

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Thanks!

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Send me a PM with your address pls.

 

[mommabird62]

Send me a PM with your address pls.

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