Genesis Co-Op Startup Discussion

[fender0942]

Hey,

This thread is for discussion only. No orders are being taken at this time. Asking to be added to any type of list will be ignored. Please keep to only discussing the build for this co-op only.

I am starting this thread to involve all those who want to order a scubagenv3 as shown in this link right here:

https://www.filesanywhere.com/fs/v.aspx?v=8a6c658a5d6472b1b169

We are looking for input on how you think we should handle some of the details. In this co-op me and bstedh want to include all that is needed to build your atomizer when you receive it. All the parts will be there in the box and all you have to do is put it together. We are still working on the details of obtaining the parts needed, but we hope to include the ss wire mesh, Kanthal/Nichrome wire, regular wire, screws or nails, springs, o-rings, poly tube, you name it. This will minimize shipping costs for everyone, and insure that you will have the proper parts to build you genesis. With that:

1.) What do you prefer to use for the positive and negative posts. (example, the nail w/ spring, or screws to hold in the kanthal wire.)?

2.) Do you want a piece of polycarbonate tubing that you have to cut down yourself, or would you prefer that it came to you already cut to size, with the edges beveled and smoothed?

3.) Should we include 1 ce2 clearomizer in the order?

****These are some of the initial items that need to be addressed. I know there are some of you out there that have built these atomizers numerous times, and I am hoping to hear from you so we can have the best vaping experience possible.

This co-op will happen soon enough. I will keep everyone updated with the progress of how things are coming. Final design decisions will be posted before co-op starts. Thanx......Vape em' if you got em'

 

[oldsoldier]

edit: thread has been moved to modders forum.

@fender0942 please contact j0ker to gain large COOP approval as per the classifieds rules.

 

[Dalton63841]

1) I kind of prefer the nail and springs...The whole "tried and true" thing.
2) Only precut if you can be sure that they are perfectly fit, otherwise uncut tube would be better.
3) I'd say no. Precut ce2's are not something that would take more than 30 seconds to find.

 

[fender0942]

Although this discussion may get moved to the modding section you can discuss the planning of the CO OP here for now. As stated this is not the CO OP thread and any ordering posts will be subject to deletion and the may end up with thread closure if it becomes burdensome to the mod team.

@fender0942 please contact j0ker to gain large COOP approval as per the classifieds rules.

Will do. Thanx. Good to know info

 

[rob5482]

You guys are awesome for doing this.

1) I am not particular any way is fine with me.
2)Cut or uncut again really doesn't matter to me. I have the means to cut it and if it saves money then I say uncut. But if the cost is the same then I guess cut tubes would be nice.
3)Again it really doesn't matter to me, I do have plenty of ce2's I can cut. I am sure everyone that is capable of building this atty can cut a ce2. ( I would hope anyway)

Thanks again to both of you for this.

 

[fender0942]

You guys are awesome for doing this.

1) I am not particular any way is fine with me.
2)Cut or uncut again really doesn't matter to me. I have the means to cut it and if it saves money then I say uncut. But if the cost is the same then I guess cut tubes would be nice.
3)Again it really doesn't matter to me, I do have plenty of ce2's I can cut. I am sure everyone that is capable of building this atty can cut a ce2. ( I would hope anyway)

Thanks again to both of you for this.

Keeping the cost down is super important to us. We obviously don't want to jeopardize the final product which we won't. We just figure that that these are things that you will have to buy either way to finish the project unless you already have it on hand, we just figured it would save everyone all the shipping costs. When buying in bulk and sharing it over 100 orders, the extra cost is minimal (a few dollars at most) that it seems to make sense.

 

[rob5482]

I am right with ya there fender, I just feel you two are doing so much already with this, that if it makes it harder for you to include all the other stuff then it should be on us to get it. I do appreciate you wanting to include all the stuff to make it a complete kit, just don't want you to incur more cost then is necessary. I'll stick to what ever the consensus goes with, either way i am in for at least 2 maybe 4 depending on my neighbor (he vapes as well and may way 2).

 

[johnsom]

Yeah thanks you guys for doing this. I look forward to getting some of these atomizers. I would agree with rob having a whole kit would be the most convenient and if thats what everybody agrees on than color me happy(as i hope to get 4 of these beauties), but if that ends up being to difficult or costly just even the mesh, kanthal/nichrome and atomizer body would be righteous too.

 

[Darkreign]

Having missed the first CO-OP I am thrilled that another is starting up for this. I have been following most of the Scubagen threads adamantly in hopes that another would start.

With this being said, here are my thoughts on the 3 options posted

1) Scuba has done alot of work with the nail and springs method and it seems like a solid way to do it. However, the springs would likely need to be included in the "kit" in order for it to work for everyone.

2) Precut tubing would be awsome as I am sure that many people (myself included) dont have a reliable method of accurately cutting them. Although it might be more work for whoever is organizing this, maybe there could be an option to have those added to individual orders. That way the people that dont need them can get a less expensive kit and those that cant make them can pay a little more for them.

3) I think it is a pretty safe bet that everyone in this forum has a basic understanding of how to make modification with a dremel and likely have tons of dead or dying CE2's around. But again, this could be an option at an additional cost.


Just my $.02

 

[Jebus]

Great job for putting this together guys! Can't wait...

1) the nail and springs method seems like a solid and proven method (also prefer looks) but springs would probably need to be included.

2) if cost is not too much more for "exact size" pre-cut I would suggest this (worst comes to worst, it doesn't fit and you buy replacement tube to cut yourself) not the end of the world in my books.

3) with most having the ce2's readily available and including one being no more than +$2 (or so) either way works. If you do not mind adding an option, that probably would work best. Yet we are very appreciative of all your work/time and all have the ability to order our own ce2 on a future juice order ect.

Whatever is chosen, we will all enjoy!
(interest x4)

 

[unloaded]

Well I'm upto page 123 on raidys thread with all the genesis mods. I'm very interested in getting in on this too. So far in that thread I haven't seen the ce2's used so I'm not exactly sure what they've evolved to. Can you give me a link to a thread about the particulars of this atty. I'll give it a quick look before I try to finish the original thread. I've been planning on ordering the stuff to do the mod myself just wanted to get to the end to find the best combo thats working for others. I'll probably do that eventually but I'd like to get one of these kits. As for the options I'd go with the lowest common denominator: everything needed and ready to assemble. It seems a lot of people are wanting these and with raidy's stipulation about not selling them, this is the only way they could get one.

peace.
unloaded

 

[bstedh]

Well I'm upto page 123 on raidys thread with all the genesis mods. I'm very interested in getting in on this too. So far in that thread I haven't seen the ce2's used so I'm not exactly sure what they've evolved to. Can you give me a link to a thread about the particulars of this atty. I'll give it a quick look before I try to finish the original thread. I've been planning on ordering the stuff to do the mod myself just wanted to get to the end to find the best combo thats working for others. I'll probably do that eventually but I'd like to get one of these kits. As for the options I'd go with the lowest common denominator: everything needed and ready to assemble. It seems a lot of people are wanting these and with raidy's stipulation about not selling them, this is the only way they could get one.

peace.
unloaded

Scubabatdan did a co-op for this genesis build and as there is still seems to be a high demand for these so we though we would try to replicate his great work. =]
Here is a link to the major details of his build.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/194934-scubagen-mods-8.html#post3387178

The CE2 is being used as a donor for the connector for ease of soldering due to the long center post and giving better air flow.

 

[bstedh]

Once we figure the pricing for adding the extras in I think it might be doable to have what parts you want with it to be requested. The only downside to doing it this way is that we will not know the final price until we have all of the orders, as we would have to order different amounts of different components but I think we can get a reasonable estimation within a couple of dollars.

In other news - I have not heard back from the mesh company. They did tell me we could get a price break ordering the mesh by the roll but they have not told me what that cost with shipping will be yet. I will be sending a follow up email today.

One of the things that we need to discuss is how much mesh each order should include. I know you get way more than is really needed when you order it individually and a lot of people like having the extra. So we need to consider this when we decide how much to include.

I have left a voice mail for one of the sales reps at the local plastics company here and am waiting to hear back. If I am able to get the tubing locally it will save us a lot in shipping cost. I think the standard flat rate shipping box that we plan on using will accommodate about an 8" section. I will be going to the post office to get one of the boxes to determine how much we can stuff in there as we have a 70lb limit that we won't come near so the only limitation will be the volume of the box.

Fender and I discussed that we should include at a minimum double the amount of all the build parts for each body. i.e. Each body requires 4 O-rings so we would send 8 with each order. Same with the springs and others. This way if you mess something up you are not high and dry.

Let us know your thoughts as all of your opinions are what will drive most of our decisions.

Also just to let everybody know. We are planning on purchasing the parts prior to starting the lathe work on the bodies so that I can bring them in for the initial tooling to ensure everything fits properly and any needed adjustments can be made prior to the entire batch being run. I am guessing that once we pull the trigger on everything we should have everything out the door within 3 weeks if we don't run into any difficulties.

 

[bstedh]

Scuba seems to be having very good results with ceramic sleeving over the wick so this is something we may wish to consider also.

 

[Darkreign]

Ordering from The Mesh Company is really straightforward and painless. I ordered 2 sheets A4 for about $21.07 US and received 4 sheets (they give you a free sheet for every one you order.) Shipping took about 10 days, give or take. The only issue I had was that their website stated that they only ship to the UK, which was incorrect.

If this were to be included I would say one sheet would be more than enough to keep the mod operating for quite a long time. In the other co-op this was talked about and it was determined that it wasn't cost effective to have the mesh as an included item. If I am not mistaken there was even a member, tillis, that lived close to their facilities that couldn't get a substantial price break over the internet discount. Here is a link to that thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...onate-tubing-possible-coop-genisis-build.html Post #102 explains tillis' attempts to purchase.

The other thing to consider when buying the rolls of mesh is the time and labor to cut everything up as well as the packaging to make sure it isn't damaged in transport. Will it ride safely in the packaging for the primary components? All things to consider with the mesh.

I highly agree with the double replacement parts. It would also be nice to have a compiled list of parts, vendors and part numbers once the final product has been established. That way 3 years down the road when I trip and fall on my mod, I will have the resources to repair it.

 

[bstedh]

We are not expecting huge cost savings in the parts other than the ones that have minimum quantities. I think the biggest cost savings will be in the shipping cost as we will be sending it out in a flat rate box. This means the shipping for the bulk order gets spread across to everyone making the overall cost much smaller. The time to package the materials I am donating for the cause. The wife even volunteered to help me out and keep everything organized.

 

[Darkreign]

Well, if we want to order in bulk with the A4 sheets from The Mesh Company it comes out to about $5.83 per sheet with shipping to the US. That's ordering 50 sheets (with an additional free sheet per each ordered) for a total of 100 sheets. I am not sure how much you can get the roll for, but I would think its almost worth it to get the precut sheets versus the rolls just to save the hassle on your end.

If you were to get the A3 sheets it would cut it down even more to $5.02 a sheet, but you would need to cut them in half to send them out.

 

[bstedh]

Update

The plastics company called me back and they do have the tubing so that is one shipping charge we can get rid of.

I am sending him the dimensions we need so he can quote me a price on just bulk tube and a cut and finished product.

 

[fender0942]

Update

The plastics company called me back and they do have the tubing so that is one shipping charge we can get rid of.

I am sending him the dimensions we need so he can quote me a price on just bulk tube and a cut and finished product.

That's awesome. Bstedh I asked tk have this moved to the modders forum. I haven't gotten An answer back. Once we decide on the setup for the posts, I will find the supplier for that stuff. I'm hoping that I can quadruple whammy it and get the screws/nails, o-rings, springs, and wire from the same supplier to save with shipping.

 

[fender0942]

Hey,

This might be a little overkill but hear me out. Quick connect posts. You wrap your kanthal around the wick and and the top part of the post just snaps on. Kinda like those keyrings that separate in the middle. They have the little metal ball thingy. Hmmmmm...... Would be cool

Or using those hollow type rivets. I'll find a pic of one and post it. The top of the rivet could be the top washer. Just cut the top off another, and a spring and your good to go. Same idea, just more finished looking.

DAN, your input would be appreciated.