Genesis Co-Op Startup Discussion

[bstedh]

I can vouch for the wicking issues with VG users. I am having to alter my mixtures to 80/20 PG/VG to get my SS400 to wick properly. Even at 70/30 I have problems.

The #325 mesh may be a better buy then as I use exclusively 70/30. Has there been anybody out there that has used the lager weave and does it really make any difference. #270 is the next step and is still fairly close in dimensions. The flip side would be if it wicks too fast with 100% PG.

Mesh Count: #270 mesh - 270 wires or holes per linear inch.
Wire Diameter: 0.036mm
Aperture: 0.058mm - this is the hole size and it is square
Open Area %: 38%

 

[jimho]

I vary my mixtures VG/PG ratios between 20% and 50%VG depending on what I'm after and what attys I'm using - I suspect with the genesis some of the drivers will change- being that i like to experiment (I'm sure I'm not the only one on this thread), it might make sense to get an assortment of mesh so we can experiment and tune both sides of the equation ...

just food for thought.... since the premise of what you're doing is that cost of goods is less of an issue than convenience and shipping for one off minimum orders- paying a little more to have a small quantity of something I want to try but end up not using beats spending alot more to buy alot of the same ... I think most of us will want to experiment with different mesh sizes.

 

[fender0942]

Does anybody know the size of the springs that are used, and what they are made from?

Does anybody know the length of the nails and what they are made of? I saw in tge build specs to use 19gauge. Would 20 gauge work. I found them but need to know length and material type.

After that I will know where I can get everything so we should be able to move very quickly getting this thing going. Then we can start the thread for ordering. Yippe.

 

[mj64]

These are the springs. They are made of 'music wire'

Item # CAR-0206-0580-M, Compression Spring on Templeman, D.R., Co., The

Does anybody know the size of the springs that are used, and what they are made from?

Does anybody know the length of the nails and what they are made of? I saw in tge build specs to use 19gauge. Would 20 gauge work. I found them but need to know length and material type.

After that I will know where I can get everything so we should be able to move very quickly getting this thing going. Then we can start the thread for ordering. Yippe.

 

[mj64]

The difference is supposed to be throat hit, more of it from the larger weave. I think someone else also mentioned the other difference, which is the larger weave will wick higher VG blends better than the smaller weave.

The #325 mesh may be a better buy then as I use exclusively 70/30. Has there been anybody out there that has used the lager weave and does it really make any difference. #270 is the next step and is still fairly close in dimensions. The flip side would be if it wicks too fast with 100% PG.

 

[mianker]

Please HELP!!!
I have almost all the parts for 2 of these and now I read about a wicking issue with VG. I'm sure there was something earlier that I didn't notice. Due to a bad sensitivity to PG I am unable to vape anything containing PG even in flavoring, Now I need to decide if there is a way like with the larger weave mesh to make these work with an approximate 85% VG 15% distilled water juice.

Any suggestions, opinions and ideas are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.....you all are GREAT!!!!

 

[Turbo]

Please HELP!!!
I have almost all the parts for 2 of these and now I read about a wicking issue with VG. I'm sure there was something earlier that I didn't notice. Due to a bad sensitivity to PG I am unable to vape anything containing PG even in flavoring, Now I need to decide if there is a way like with the larger weave mesh to make these work with an approximate 85% VG 15% distilled water juice.

Any suggestions, opinions and ideas are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.....you all are GREAT!!!!

'quick1' uses VG and has had a Genisis for a while w/ no problems. Pretty sure he's using 400 mesh and 32g kanthal.

 

[Darkreign]

Please HELP!!!
I have almost all the parts for 2 of these and now I read about a wicking issue with VG. I'm sure there was something earlier that I didn't notice. Due to a bad sensitivity to PG I am unable to vape anything containing PG even in flavoring, Now I need to decide if there is a way like with the larger weave mesh to make these work with an approximate 85% VG 15% distilled water juice.

Any suggestions, opinions and ideas are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.....you all are GREAT!!!!

Mianker,

I think it has more to do with the viscosity of the liquid than the composition. As long as you can cut your juice down to the same (or similar) consistency as a typical 80/20 mix you should be fine. Personally I prefer the 70/30 for throat hit, but to get that to work with the SS400, I use a 1:3 ration of VG and FGA for the VG portion to get the viscosity closer to what a normal 80/20 would be.

The PG is just the medium that most people use to carry the different components we desire within our vapes. As long as what you use to replace it is safe, you enjoy the final product and that it maintains the proper viscosity, then it should be an acceptable replacement.


Edit: The Genesis might be different than my past experience and I have only been able to utilize the SS400 in a CE2 Tank mod which requires a smaller, tighter roll of mesh.

 

[jimbalny]

1) I think the nail and springs
2) probably precut is best to keep shipping cost low for all, then again more work for someone else. I dont think its necessary to bevel it for everybody
3) whats the ce2 for with the scubagen? the connectors? I think everyone has old atties to use or maybe just get pre-soldered atty connectors?

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[NicksVap3]

yeah, the ce2 is for the connector. but part of the tubing from it is used for the positive post also

 

[mianker]

Turbo & Darkreign thanks so much for responding, I feel much better now. I would have hated to have additional "what was I thinking" vaping supplies.

 

[jimbalny]

thats to isolate the positive from the ground correct? like what the pen tubing is used for? I havent had a chance to read the full tutorial yet. crazy work schedule

 

[NicksVap3]

i believe the bic pen tube is to isolate the neg post, the tubing from the ce2 gets soldered right to the gen body with the nail/spring/washer combo soldered into the ce2 tube. could have it backwards or messed up. just skimmed threw it. but for the $2 for the ce2, its practically that for an atty connector

 

[fender0942]

i believe the bic pen tube is to isolate the neg post, the tubing from the ce2 gets soldered right to the gen body with the nail/spring/washer combo soldered into the ce2 tube. could have it backwards or messed up. just skimmed threw it. but for the $2 for the ce2, its practically that for an atty connector

The bic pens are to isolate the ss wick from the body.

 

[jimbalny]

i believe the bic pen tube is to isolate the neg post, the tubing from the ce2 gets soldered right to the gen body with the nail/spring/washer combo soldered into the ce2 tube. could have it backwards or messed up. just skimmed threw it. but for the $2 for the ce2, its practically that for an atty connector

just a bit backwards the body is usually the negaive or ground

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[NicksVap3]

yeah, like i said i just skimmed real quick to find what it was used for, didnt feel like reading it all again right now

 

[jimho]

So do we need clearomizers or regular CE2's? or either?

 

[Darkreign]

According to Dan's instructional write-up, it looks like a CE2 XL Clearomizer. I am basing this off the fact that in the picture there is a slot in the connector for an o-ring, which the regular CE2's don't have. I cannot verify if the OD of the press fitting for a clearo and carto are the same, but I think there is a difference.

 

[jimho]

According to Dan's instructional write-up, it looks like a CE2 XL Clearomizer. I am basing this off the fact that in the picture there is a slot in the connector for an o-ring, which the regular CE2's don't have. I cannot verify if the OD of the press fitting for a clearo and carto are the same, but I think there is a difference.

I have CE2 XL's, not clearomizers and not regular CE2's... but for everyone elese's benefit, if he called out CE2 XL's - probably better off putting it in the kit.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Any of the Clearo CE2's will work, that is what I used. I have not tried any of the metal CE2's so I do not know what the dia is on those.
Dan