If anyone has 4-6 bottles, and one of the SS or Delrin 701-510 DT adapters to spare, please PM me to work out the details.
I did the same for the adaptor a few pages back...lol
Genisis / Kronos Update
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I did the same for the adaptor a few pages back...lol
Teach deserves the credit as he came up with the 3ml bottle idea. I just found a way to mod a plastic bottle.
Don't forget to try changing the draw by loosening or tightening the top, that is probably the best part of this modification.
thanks mianker, but ScubaBatDan started the fiddling around with plastic bottles in the G-tank-US thread or the Ghost Protocol thread... Glad to see you figured out a way to make it work! Can you share some pics?
my order number is 2494 but i have yet to receive any shipping info...kinda wondering if its even gonna happen at this point. anyone else waiting on shipping? i thought uwe was finishing all the shipments this week?
UPDATE:
I've been using my Genisis for the last day and a half on my SS DON mini and have been loving it. More tomorrow...
I've been using my Genisis for the last day and a half on my SS DON mini and have been loving it. More tomorrow...
I'm still waiting also. It's been excruciatingly long, certainly beyond the realm of acceptable when it comes to a co-op. (I'm allowed to say that because there hasn't been a peep out of me this whole time)
Anyway...I guess I just wait longer for the GLV and if I get my Kronos before the end of the year, I would be happy.
Hey Sense, maybe if you weren't a NOMAD, Uwe could find you and get it to you… sorry, jk!
Guys, really, I feel your pain. But once you get yours, and get them up and running, you'll forget all about the time you had to wait.
Guys, really, I feel your pain. But once you get yours, and get them up and running, you'll forget all about the time you had to wait.
I think Uwe and the team have done a great job - don't forget, they are not a commercial enterprise, but average people like us with jobs, families and rather large hearts to include us in a great opportunity. They are volunteering their time.
Any time I join a Co-op, I consider whether I’m willing to wait for a custom piece to be manufactured or whether I would rather wait for a commercially available piece (talk about a long wait!) Also, do I want to jump in at the beginning for earlier delivery or hang on till the end to see if it’s going to happen.
The big thing is, if you’re not willing to wait for a co-op, it’s not for you. We know that these are being delivered and we also know these are quality devices – venting here doesn’t reinforce the process so be patient. My order was in the 2100’s so I can say that patience is worth it. BTW – if you want to dump your order PM me!
Any time I join a Co-op, I consider whether I’m willing to wait for a custom piece to be manufactured or whether I would rather wait for a commercially available piece (talk about a long wait!) Also, do I want to jump in at the beginning for earlier delivery or hang on till the end to see if it’s going to happen.
The big thing is, if you’re not willing to wait for a co-op, it’s not for you. We know that these are being delivered and we also know these are quality devices – venting here doesn’t reinforce the process so be patient. My order was in the 2100’s so I can say that patience is worth it. BTW – if you want to dump your order PM me!
I think Uwe and the team have done a great job - don't forget, they are not a commercial enterprise, but average people like us with jobs, families and rather large hearts to include us in a great opportunity. They are volunteering their time.
Any time I join a Co-op, I consider whether Im willing to wait for a custom piece to be manufactured or whether I would rather wait for a commercially available piece (talk about a long wait!) Also, do I want to jump in at the beginning for earlier delivery or hang on till the end to see if its going to happen.
The big thing is, if youre not willing to wait for a co-op, its not for you. We know that these are being delivered and we also know these are quality devices venting here doesnt reinforce the process so be patient. My order was in the 2100s so I can say that patience is worth it. BTW if you want to dump your order PM me!
Seriously? You actually believe that 8+ months is a reasonable turn around time for a co-op?
I've been involved in three co-ops since entering into this one and I've had all those products for months now. One of them was a pretty large co-op similar to this one.
The truth is, this was poorly planned, especially the Kronos portion. Can't we just admit that? I mean seriously, if we can't admit that, then we are simply kissing someone's rear end.
That said...I haven't said anything, emailed anyone, PMed anyone, posted in any of the threads for 8 whole months.
I'm a realist and I will never sugar coat the truth, and I will wait and be fine as long as I eventually get my products. I am not angry or negative...just realistic.
No disrespect to Uwe or his team...but at this point its pretty clear they bit off more then they can chew.
The G-Tank US has been pending about 6 months, and still no sure end in sight, with the exception of about 20 to 25 units whose parts fit together and could be sent out a while back.
You don't see people coming down on Dan, or berating him for biting off "more than he could chew" - and rightfully so, for the problems that have occurred are NOT his fault. That co-op is smaller in terms of numbers than this one, AND he is paying machine shops to get the work done. This co-op, with much larger numbers, is being done solely by volunteer labor - ALL of it including the machine shop work. So why the difference in treatment?
It's shameful in my opinion.
You don't see people coming down on Dan, or berating him for biting off "more than he could chew" - and rightfully so, for the problems that have occurred are NOT his fault. That co-op is smaller in terms of numbers than this one, AND he is paying machine shops to get the work done. This co-op, with much larger numbers, is being done solely by volunteer labor - ALL of it including the machine shop work. So why the difference in treatment?
It's shameful in my opinion.
G-tank has been delivered over multiple rounds of co-ops...he's also on the second round of the co-op for his mod over on the vaperwall forum. I'll probably be on the third round if he has one.
Dan had delivered multiple rounds of his products.
These other co-ops have working prototypes of the product before getting a co-op going...of course there could be issues, but when we purchased the Kronos, we bought a concept drawing...and where is the pressure mold of that thing? It's been 3 months...how long does that take?
Look...you've really got it all wrong...what I'm saying is...this grew into something that borders on unmanageable...and everyone suffers because of that.
I actually feel bad that Uwe has to deal with all this...but that doesn't change the fact that this has gone on for much longer then expected (it was originally supposed to be a 3 month turn around). You can't argue that, it's a fact.
Again, I'm not complaining...I'm just saying that no matter how much you defend this co-op, or how much you appreciate the hard work of those involved, somewhere...deep down, even if you don't realize it, you know that this has gone on for much longer then you ever expected.
Dan had delivered multiple rounds of his products.
These other co-ops have working prototypes of the product before getting a co-op going...of course there could be issues, but when we purchased the Kronos, we bought a concept drawing...and where is the pressure mold of that thing? It's been 3 months...how long does that take?
Look...you've really got it all wrong...what I'm saying is...this grew into something that borders on unmanageable...and everyone suffers because of that.
I actually feel bad that Uwe has to deal with all this...but that doesn't change the fact that this has gone on for much longer then expected (it was originally supposed to be a 3 month turn around). You can't argue that, it's a fact.
Again, I'm not complaining...I'm just saying that no matter how much you defend this co-op, or how much you appreciate the hard work of those involved, somewhere...deep down, even if you don't realize it, you know that this has gone on for much longer then you ever expected.
But the real question is what did we expect? Delivery after payment? Project with no setbacks?
Unmanageable is not quit right. Setbacks have to be dealt with. If the machine shop delivers bad parts the only thing you can do is either send those out or have them redone. Maybe it would have been better to split the co op over 3 runs. Well some would just have to wait until they can get in. So waiting will not be avoided in any case.
That does not go against you Sense Field. It is just a reminder to look at all aspects of a problem.
I am sure that the WBG with Uwe as frontman would like to have it done in the mentioned 3 months but it did not happen.
Instead to throw in the towel they stuck to it and are delivering a great product to minimum price.
Unmanageable is not quit right. Setbacks have to be dealt with. If the machine shop delivers bad parts the only thing you can do is either send those out or have them redone. Maybe it would have been better to split the co op over 3 runs. Well some would just have to wait until they can get in. So waiting will not be avoided in any case.
That does not go against you Sense Field. It is just a reminder to look at all aspects of a problem.
I am sure that the WBG with Uwe as frontman would like to have it done in the mentioned 3 months but it did not happen.
Instead to throw in the towel they stuck to it and are delivering a great product to minimum price.
The key word in all of this. By Uwes last count there were 300+ packages that should be shipped out by today? and judging by the other forum as well as here people are getting impatient and annoyed seeing countless others get their shiny new toy before they do. I for one am itchy as hell waiting for my GLV and Kronos after hearing things like "I'll post pictures in a day or two" many times and never once seeing a picture of the device I payed for months ago hoping there wouldn't be to many setbacks in the project. But alas I'm still waiting.
Yes I understand the frustration. it becomes even worse after hearing others rave about theres.
That was to be expected as soon as the first ones got them.
I refused to let frustration get to me because it wont change one thing besides hurting myself and that is someting I learned not to do.
I hope that those still waiting will have them soon.
I bought one in a regular shop. Wait time is 10 weeks. They had a setback as well. Nothing I can do about it except to wait or take a refund. In my case I wait. It is what it is.
That was to be expected as soon as the first ones got them.
I refused to let frustration get to me because it wont change one thing besides hurting myself and that is someting I learned not to do.
I hope that those still waiting will have them soon.
I bought one in a regular shop. Wait time is 10 weeks. They had a setback as well. Nothing I can do about it except to wait or take a refund. In my case I wait. It is what it is.
I think that's actually part of it...there was annoyance due to people looking for updates and there was constant promises made over and over again that were never filled.
I don't care when I get this stuff to be honest...I have two Lines here that surely quench my need for a genesis atomizer. I also have more mods then anyone should ever need...but I do expect to at the very least see a photo of something paid for 8 months ago.
We've been waiting three months for a photo that was supposed to be posted in two days. I guess I sort of want to see that there is some kind of progress, because it's been 8+ months and there isn't even a prototype yet.
I also understand set backs...but an injection mold as simple as this one should only take 2-4 weeks to have created.
And again...that's fine...and if I never get it. (I'm sure we will...but "if")...and if I can't get my money back...I won't even complain. I spent that money so long ago that that money is the furthest from my mind now.
Still...no disrespect to the guys running this.
Anyway...I'm going to stop stirring the pot at this point...I've seen too many people stoned in these threads for speaking their minds.
No stones from me hihi. I am to old for that. Glad you wrote that with the pictures. Thought you ment the Genisis. Did not consider the Kronos. Have not ordered that so did not pay attention to the Kronos.
Hope you guys have it soon.
Hope you guys have it soon.
Sure sounds like you are complaining in a passive-aggressive sort of way. And clearly you don't appreciate that it's not just the work involved - it's the frustration and delay from not getting exactly what you asked for because a material you used in the prototype just didn't work out in the production run, or because the machinist didn't follow your spec.
If you dont want to wait any longer, try asking for your money back or offer to pay the extra cost of a second shipment so you can get your SGLV sooner.
Uwe has been great at explaining the production issues and impact of each issue. He has repeatedly offered $ back to anyone who wanted out. As I recall Uwe was doing us a huge favor by allowing us to participate in the first place. He was also crystal clear from the outset, that while they were confident in the original dates, that was given along with their assumption that there would be no issues with the production run...
When you make small production runs, you're trying to keep costs down, youre at the mercy of a machinist or PCB shop who already has your $ and has other larger orders to fill- you get scheduled between larger job at the discretion of the shop. How long does it take? Try typical 30-90 days IF you get your parts back right. When the pieces dont fit right you get to figure out where it went wrong, modify your specs, and then you go back to the end of the queue and reset the clock - and you have to prove that the instructions you provided weren't followed properly or you get to pay again .. 2-3 months can turn to 6-9 months even when your specs aren't the issue....
RE Gtank/Scubagen etc - they have all been kits to date and they all had fitment issues because the parts didn't come back from the machine shop exactly like the prototype or exactly as specified, and all of them had significant delays. We're waiting for a good 60 days on the current coop for a 2nd time because Dan didn't get what he specified...
You're waiting here (along with the rest of us) because Uwe et al are insisting on proper machine work and assembly so that you don't end up with an $80 paperweight.
If you don't have the stomach for this kind of stuff happening, you'd be better off sticking to the group buy co-ops and waiting till the mods start showing up in the classifieds.
A project is not an easy task. At first there is mainly an idea. Than this idea has to go into a product. You estimate a time and suddenly all goes wrong. Turner needs longer, quality is bad, quality of the second delivery is more worse, change the turner, a member has not time due to heavy workload and so on. Than all the estimates are in the dust bin.
The reason for the Kronos delay is very simple: The delivered quality from the CNC turner was not acceptable and the box was really heavy. With a pressure mould the thickness of a box walls can be much thinner than with CNC.
Therefore we decided to make a pressure mould, which is expensive and needs a long time. We are still in the mould making process. When the mould is ready I can make an reliable estimate because the electronic is ready.
The Genisis are all with me. I "just" need to pack the orders and ship them. This will be all done in the near future.
The reason for the Kronos delay is very simple: The delivered quality from the CNC turner was not acceptable and the box was really heavy. With a pressure mould the thickness of a box walls can be much thinner than with CNC.
Therefore we decided to make a pressure mould, which is expensive and needs a long time. We are still in the mould making process. When the mould is ready I can make an reliable estimate because the electronic is ready.
The Genisis are all with me. I "just" need to pack the orders and ship them. This will be all done in the near future.
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