I think that's the key! Find something that works and stick with it. I'll try other things, but I always have my main stuff to fall back on. Some hate the stuff that I find works, and vice versa...but it works for me...that's what is important.
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I think that's the key! Find something that works and stick with it. I'll try other things, but I always have my main stuff to fall back on. Some hate the stuff that I find works, and vice versa...but it works for me...that's what is important.
Been there...done that. Keep hanging in there and researching...then jump in. Almost everything you get is going to have a learning curve, so stick with it and don't be afraid to ask questions!!
Started a separate post for the two wheel talk here. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/lounge/217496-what-do-you-ride.html#post3966047
This thread is fascinating to me.
I'm nearly a year into this. I went green smokes, D8, to ego. Ego cartos, tanks to a vari volt mod. I'm not quite satisfied yet. I've had full tank mods fall apart in my shirt pocket, ce2s crisp after a couple of uses, and still haven't found a voltage/atty/juice combo I really like...all the baloney the OP rants about.
But here's the thing...I went into this with my eyes open. I knew it wouldn't be perfect and didn't blame the vendors for the imperfection of the technology. The ecig technology is still very young. I, and I bet a lot of us, fought analogs with every part of our being and couldn't get rid of the habit until we found ecigs. I remember the first hit I took from that Green Smoke when I looked up at my wife and said "I'll never smoke another cigarette." I never have.
Right now I'm nosing around for another varivolt mod to try. And when a new tank comes out I'll be right in line with my cash hoping this might be THE ONE. If it isn't I still ain't smoking those friggin' analogs (although my shirt pocket might be moist)
I'm nearly a year into this. I went green smokes, D8, to ego. Ego cartos, tanks to a vari volt mod. I'm not quite satisfied yet. I've had full tank mods fall apart in my shirt pocket, ce2s crisp after a couple of uses, and still haven't found a voltage/atty/juice combo I really like...all the baloney the OP rants about.
But here's the thing...I went into this with my eyes open. I knew it wouldn't be perfect and didn't blame the vendors for the imperfection of the technology. The ecig technology is still very young. I, and I bet a lot of us, fought analogs with every part of our being and couldn't get rid of the habit until we found ecigs. I remember the first hit I took from that Green Smoke when I looked up at my wife and said "I'll never smoke another cigarette." I never have.
Right now I'm nosing around for another varivolt mod to try. And when a new tank comes out I'll be right in line with my cash hoping this might be THE ONE. If it isn't I still ain't smoking those friggin' analogs (although my shirt pocket might be moist)
No, I'm just wondering how so many manage to keep hanging around. Survival of the fittest doesn't seem to apply to the ecig biz for some reason.
I would just like to clarify that I have never retired a replicant. I have however pretended to cast a level 6 cleric spell.
Aside from that, thanks
Oops, sorry bout that.... too big a hurry.....
Hi Odell, I had pretty much the exact same experience as you. Once I got the first smooth tasty draw from a 510, I knew I was done with analogs. Wouldn't it be nice if you could help a friend do the same. As much as I would like to, I don't even consider it since I'm too afraid a non-DIY friend would end up wishing I had never mentioned the stuff to them. And if they got ripped off I would really feel bad. So I'm just wondering if we are being smart consumers or are we maybe not holding the suppliers to high enough standards. Several seem to be taking sides with the suppliers which makes me wonder if they are suppliers or affiliated with suppliers. Of course some just seem to want to remain blissfully oblivious as long as their PV is making clouds
Your right, it is fascinating.
Hi Odell, I had pretty much the exact same experience as you. Once I got the first smooth tasty draw from a 510, I knew I was done with analogs. Wouldn't it be nice if you could help a friend do the same. As much as I would like to, I don't even consider it since I'm too afraid a non-DIY friend would end up wishing I had never mentioned the stuff to them. And if they got ripped off I would really feel bad. So I'm just wondering if we are being smart consumers or are we maybe not holding the suppliers to high enough standards. Several seem to be taking sides with the suppliers which makes me wonder if they are suppliers or affiliated with suppliers. Of course some just seem to want to remain blissfully oblivious as long as their PV is making clouds
Your right, it is fascinating.
I don't know if your feelin' me ebutts.
Your disappointment seems to lie with what you think is a lack of quality (either incidental or deliberate). The rub is I don't think the underlying technology has evolved enough to assume there are standards to be met. I realize that the basic premise of vaporizing a liquid isn't all that sophisticated. But to develop a delivery system that provides an efficient alternative to analogs and at the same time comes in at a price point that makes it readily available to consumers looking to quit cigarettes may not be as obviously simple as one may initially presume.
When a friend asks me, "what should I use?" I show him an eGo setup with a tank. It's easy, gives a ton of vapor, inexpensive in comparison to a carton of analogs, and its accessible to a person just starting out. I use a Saber Touch variable voltage mod. I wouldn't expect a person new to vaping to get their head around an ST or the concept of variable voltage nor would I anticipate a successful outcome for them.
Now. is the eGo a perfect system? I don't think so, but if it serves the initial purpose of getting my friend off analogs then perfection is really not the issue is it? Since I first introduced my friend mentioned above to the eGo, I have offered to show him other aspects of vaping. He politely (sometimes not so much) declines any further experimentation into other forms of vaping saying that he's happy with the equipment he uses.
I, on the other hand, am a "first adopter" type of consumer and therefore expect that not all the purchases I make in this market are going to pan out. Again, do I feel that it didn't pan out from a lack of quality? No, I think it didn't pan out because what looked like a great idea wasn't evolved enough to produce the results I would have liked. But being a first adopter I run that risk and I do so knowing that this may entail my spending some money on what may not be the best solution to the issue that product was trying to resolve.
As far as the contributors to this thread "taking sides with the suppliers" I am not certain I understand that conclusion. If we believe that a supplier is supplying product that we want to try, then don't we as consumers bear some responsibility in choosing whether we want to risk our cash? We have a choice to spend our money on a new innovation or purchase something that has proven itself to be satisfactory (note not perfect) and has been on the market long enough to prove its efficacy.
I get angry when something that I purchased doesn't perform the way I thought it would, but I also purchased that product knowing that it is cutting edge, freshly off of an engineers drawing board and that the first few iterations of that product simply may not work the way I wanted. I'll still purchase that product on the chance that it may work right off the bat, but I'm reluctant to look for less than honorable intentions from a supplier if it doesn't.
I don't believe I am blissfully oblivious, simply realistic.
Well, to be fair, they have a pretty captive market, a bunch of addicts looking to perfect their vape. All they have to do is dangle the next new best thing, send a bunch of freebies out to the 'u-tube reviewers' and people are all over it. How long are half these things in development before they're released?
I'm thrilled that I'm not smoking. Almost every supplier I have dealt with has been excellent and given outstanding customer service. But I do think we give a lot of these 'not ready for prime time products' a lot of slack. I can't think of many other products that would be given this much slack.
I'm thrilled that I'm not smoking. Almost every supplier I have dealt with has been excellent and given outstanding customer service. But I do think we give a lot of these 'not ready for prime time products' a lot of slack. I can't think of many other products that would be given this much slack.
Well said, Odell. T'would be like me blaming Gateway for jumping the gun and buying a desktop with the (then) cutting edge Phenom gen 1, rather than sitting tight and waiting for the kinks to get ironed out and reading reviews. Instead, I wound up gritting my teeth until a viable workaround was achieved: enter the TLB disable exe. Sucks, but such is life, no?
Too much slack? Guess you're not very familiar with PC hardware...
Too much slack? Guess you're not very familiar with PC hardware...
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Really? You'd buy something besides a pv with a 50% failure rate and that would be acceptable for you? Sales people must love you.
Generally speaking, no. Simply don't have that kind of money to throw away, though it happens. Look at the RROD on the xbox, for instance. Wasn't common knowledge for sometime after they hit mainstream. Can't dodge every bullet...
Dude/Dudette, you just belly flopped into your own turd pool...
im stealing this lol but ill give u credit.
EXACTLY!!!!As long as I get my nice cloud of vapor that keeps me off the cloud of smoke that would eventually kill me, then my PV is doing it's job.
I'm willing to accept the fact that there is no "perfect" replacement for my analogs. When the first cars came off the assembly line, they were unreliable and only slightly faster than the horse and buggy they replaced. Technology makes leaps and bounds when given time, and of course enough people have to adopt the technology, use it, and provide feedback for the manufacturers to make improvements. Does that mean I may spend some money only to find out I don't particularly care for one piece of equipment or another? Sure. I've also smoked several brands, and ended up with a few cartons of reservation cigarettes that gave me headaches, had an aftertaste when chain smoked.... etc. over the years.
Yes, we may all be smokers (or ex-smokers), but even though our habit is the same, our individual smoking preferences can vary quite a bit. Why should it be any different for vaping? A friend is using what I consider a crappy 901 from a local shop with carts that taste like burnt filter to me and you have to prime and then suck like you're trying to get a milkshake through a stirrer to get any kind of vapor. I got the Volts, I love it. I let him try it, thinking I was saving him from a bad experience with ecigs. He hated it.
Would you rather the suppliers and developers keep us from trying anything new for a year or more while they test a new development? Faulty parts happen in ANYTHING not just PVs. Think about the recalls in the auto industry. If we haven't perfected cars in over 100 years, what makes you think any device is going to be flawless?
No wonder *China keeps cranking out some of their inferior garbage. Not only do people think it's wrong to complain but we defend their right to do it and get ...... when people complain about it.
*Not a slam on china, this stuff could be made in Buffalo.
Next time someone posts about an overpriced kit they buy and everyone tells them not to, I'll remind you all of this post. The mind boggles.
*Not a slam on china, this stuff could be made in Buffalo.
Next time someone posts about an overpriced kit they buy and everyone tells them not to, I'll remind you all of this post. The mind boggles.
I can't help but think that if a company manufactures something, they should test the product for problems BEFORE they sell it and try to fix problems before it goes to market. That doesn't seem to be the case with Cartomizers, atty's and tanks, or a combination of them. So i wonder, don't they use their products or have someone else use them and give feedback. They do sell allot of junk and people that use them now that. But we keep trying to find something that works like it should, and hopefully some day we will find a few of them.
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