Getting tired of this

[El-ahrairah]

I guess I lucked out in my PV experimenting adventure, since I've only had to try two other units before I found my perfect PV. (Blu - eGo-T - Provari, if you're wondering) Atties, cartos and tanks are a different story. However, there are so many devices that these can run on, it would be pretty hard to make them perfect for every device and every voltage. I suppose if we all had the same old e-cig brand "A", we could all use atomizer "B" and we could all sit around patting each other on the back about how "A" is such a great device because "B" never fails.

As for juice, well, you can't get more subjective than juice. Again, I guess I lucked out in finding I actually like a couple Dekang/Bauway flavors (crazy, right?). So I get plenty of the juice I like cheap, and occasionally splurge on a couple bottles of "the good stuff".

My income is rather limited, so instead of just tossing my money at every vendor I can find (and getting bitter about being burned), I use past experiences to choose a select few to purchase from. There are thousands of vendor reviews for a reason and, in my not-so-humble opinion, they are a much better gauge of a vendor's credibility than web traffic.

 

[mangoon]

Hi Odell, I had pretty much the exact same experience as you. Once I got the first smooth tasty draw from a 510, I knew I was done with analogs. Wouldn't it be nice if you could help a friend do the same. As much as I would like to, I don't even consider it since I'm too afraid a non-DIY friend would end up wishing I had never mentioned the stuff to them. And if they got ripped off I would really feel bad. So I'm just wondering if we are being smart consumers or are we maybe not holding the suppliers to high enough standards. Several seem to be taking sides with the suppliers which makes me wonder if they are suppliers or affiliated with suppliers. Of course some just seem to want to remain blissfully oblivious as long as their PV is making clouds

Your right, it is fascinating.

This is where you lost me totally. If you think tank mods suck then why would you even consider recommending them to a newbie? Why would you not tell them to get a VOLT or something ( meaning something that gets seemingly constant great reviews) or the 510 you say you love so much? I like to give peeps the benefit of the doubt but this clearly makes you seem like a person .....in just for the sake of .....in.

 

[poetofisis]

I can't help but think that if a company manufactures something, they should test the product for problems BEFORE they sell it and try to fix problems before it goes to market. That doesn't seem to be the case with Cartomizers, atty's and tanks, or a combination of them. So i wonder, don't they use their products or have someone else use them and give feedback. They do sell allot of junk and people that use them now that. But we keep trying to find something that works like it should, and hopefully some day we will find a few of them.

This is an unfortunate by-product of our capitalism run riot... Quick, cheap, and disposable are the words of the day. And this sad line of reasoning permeates the whole gamut of our current economic landscape. Its a waking nightmare, to be sure. Just look at the sad state of the climate and its starving populace... Yet we seem so lethargic in our addiction to gizmos and shiny trinkets. Its not just the companies that have been corrupted. For we, the consumer, the voter, the shoulders upon whom they stand, we hold the ture power. And yet... *shrug* Don't ask me what to do about it! You won't like the answer. ANYthing seems preferable to this, but what can one man do, when no one else gives a hoot about anything but their stupid super bowl?

And... This is turning very political. Poet pretend stupid! Poet be quiet now...

 

[Odell]

It's kind of funny. When I was researching accessories I got up one morning and over coffee and a vape wondered about the feasibility of a web store that sold only products that had passed the muster of ecig forum members. In other words it would only stock those products whose reputation was solidly positive and widely used and respected. I thought it could even include juices that were widely popular and consistently received raving reviews.

Without going into exhaustive detail I wondered if one could contact mod manufacturers and through negotiating a multiple unit purchase give the mod manufacturer another outlet and yet offer the product at the same price making a profit through the negotiated discount. Same way with juice artisans.

Would that not at least begin to address the concerns expressed in this thread? If you wanted bleeding edge innovations, then you would transact business with the bleeding edge suppliers. If another person wanted to purchase product that had been proven to work reliably then this e store could be a source for that type of individual.

Here's my original email to a friend sketching this concept:

As I've been getting ready for the Saber Touch I bought, I've been doing a lot of reading and research. I've been looking at various tanks, cartomizers, batteries, drip tips, etc. (I'm sure you know the drill). The thought occurred to me that there is no online store where one could get the whole thing at once. I know when I go on the net with the intent of making a purchase for something other than ecig supplies, I typically Google the hell out of the product I'm looking for and then, once I've decided, go see if Amazon has it.

The idea I'm kicking around is; why couldn't there be a site where the best of products couldn't be offered? The ecig market is very fractionalized right now as it's still in its infancy, Over my morning coffee I've been sketching out some thoughts. I figured just for the helluvit (and like you got nothing better to do) I'd share these thoughts with you. I think here's a short list of the obvious obstacles:

• Who knows what's "best"
• The capital requirements and inventory costs would be high
• Inventory could obsolete quickly and management would be time intensive
• Profits margins would (could) be lower due to the costs of multiple suppliers.
• The technology may be moving too fast to get an accurate gauge on profitable product.

I'm also thinking about a central site for ejuice. I'm wondering if out of the myriad of ejuice artisans there wouldn't be some of the better ones that would enjoy having a wider exposure to customers. Just to toss a couple of potential vendors: Backwoods Brews, Vermilion River, Alien. Here's the thing, you wouldn't have to stock their entire line, just their top sellers.

The goal of the store would be high volume product that moved with a high degree of regularity. The reviews and articles that I read on ECF and other forums seem to be driving what is successful and what fails. I think that is the marketing barometer that could steer inventory choices. Everybody in the ecig supply business right now seems to be in two segments. 1. Driving technology through design and experimentation. 2. Relying on proven ecig brand bases and supplying parts and accessories for them.

A mentor once told me "If you want to have a successful business find a niche market, then own that niche." I'm just wondering if there's a niche to be owned here?

Don't get me wrong, this was a mental exercise for me only over coffee. I am sure there are more savvy marketing people than I am in this forum that could poke immense holes in this idea (hell I bet you could drive a truck through those holes). I just thought of it as it may relate to the viewpoints being discussed in this thread.

Anyway, it's a fun exercise. I hope you thought so too.

 

[cookiebun]

Iffy, I've been at it for a few months. I'm almost up with last weeks tank-mods It's the suppliers I have a problem with.

The best supplier I've dealt with doesn't even have an ordering website w/ a shopping cart:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-igo-kits-1300mah-45-00-650-mah-40-00-a.html

D and B Gold - Home

Stop buying tank mods and other hardware that's not ready for prime time and you'll be a lot less frustrated.

Cartos rock.

 

[LeAnn]

At first it is all foreign to you and you can get frustrated, ask question, spend what you can, if you can control it, and keep a list of the good stuff. Remember what computers were like when they first started, really is a joke now isn't it! This is the only habit that I was unable to break and it was literally killing me and now that I have been vaping ove a year, I feel sooo much better. I smoked for 45 years before it started getting me down and I don't want to die anytime soon, so where there is a will, there is a way!

 

[spiritual]

Well , you can go back to smoking regular ciggy's , and then you won't have to stress about it so much .

me too.....dun stress urseft

 

[Spazmelda]

I'm also thinking about a central site for ejuice. I'm wondering if out of the myriad of ejuice artisans there wouldn't be some of the better ones that would enjoy having a wider exposure to customers. Just to toss a couple of potential vendors: Backwoods Brews, Vermilion River, Alien. Here's the thing, you wouldn't have to stock their entire line, just their top sellers.

I was wishing this the other day. I don't know how it would work out for the vendors, but there are juices from various companies I'd like to try, but I will have to pay shipping for each separate vendor. It would be nice if there was a juice equivalent of Amazon where I could just purchase a big order of stuff from different companies and only pay for shipping once. I hate paying so much for shipping.

 

[ebutts]

Please read at least a few of the relevant posts before finding fault. Thanks.

On tank mods.... I do NOT use tank mods and never have and I positively have NOT recommended them anywhere in this thread. Don't know why Mangoon and a couple others think I do or have. Apparently they didn't catch the sarcasm in my OP. They are not the only problem I have with PVs, by any stretch. If I had to pick one problem with PVs to really ..... about, it would be the connection problems related to center pins. Many, including myself (and I'm a long time DIYer) have wasted much time and money trying to figure out and remedy, yet it remains a major source of trouble for many folks. But there is no part of the PVs that I've been impressed with.

I mentioned the tank mods only because there are so many of them but, unfortunately, most are a bad joke. That is was why I used them as part of the joke (What's your pick for tank mod of the Week?) in the OP. If you've been around vaping very long, you probably know what I'm talking about. If you haven't been around that long, and want to know more about tank mods, I recommended looking up GeekGirlVapor youtube. She is pretty good and covers a lot of ground quickly.

Battle of the CE2 Tank Mods, Part 1 - YouTube

I'd like to say thanks to Odell and those that offer useful contributions here. I was thinking there would be more but it hasn't quite worked out that way My post #24 suggested an ECF-Top-Ten-Tester-Team, but for some reason it never got a single Like or mention (maybe because I posted at 3am). Odell suggested something similar and he got several Likes and a couple nice comments. I'm jealous

I will post later (maybe a new thread) a list of the issues I've seen and suggestions on what to do about them (because this is the new comers forum). I have much experience with electronics and such, so maybe some would find it useful. This post is too long already to include now and I'm thinking of more stuff to add, unfortunately

Vape On!

 

[cookiebun]

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If I had to pick one problem with PVs to really ..... about, it would be the connection problems related to center pins. Many, including myself (and I'm a long time DIYer) have wasted much time and money trying to figure out and remedy, yet it remains a major source of trouble for many folks. But there is no part of the PVs that I've been impressed with.

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Yeah the pins are annoying. I always carry a couple of bent paper clips for adjusting the bottoms of cartos or the center post on the top of batteries. Clogged holes on my iGo batteries is annoying too. I fix that with a straightened out staples.
Yes ecigs are "fiddly" but it's a small price to pay to get off the analogs.


PS.
I've been diy my liquid since May.

 

[sarahmtl]

I have been using Vapor4Life only for the past year or so and other than constantly out of my wowboy juice refill, I have been extremely happy. Plus the sales are awesome!

 

[Uma]

Opening a can of peaches with the new pop top and pull ring is so much easier than it used to be with the old fashioned can openers. Why didn't they think of this sooner?!! Love it!! Until ... and it always always happens.... until I get a batch of those darn cans that won't open no matter how hard I pull that stupid tab. I hate those cans!! Stuupid cans!! I'll never buy another. And then I always always do. And they're great.

Same thing goes with attys and cartos I think.
Some batches are great...
some not so great.
But they're all better than the alternative. (analogs and hand held can openers)

 

[calico21]

Opening a can of peaches with the new pop top and pull ring is so much easier than it used to be with the old fashioned can openers. Why didn't they think of this sooner?!! Love it!! Until ... and it always always happens.... until I get a batch of those darn cans that won't open no matter how hard I pull that stupid tab. I hate those cans!! Stuupid cans!! I'll never buy another. And then I always always do. And they're great.

Same thing goes with attys and cartos I think.
Some batches are great...
some not so great.
But they're all better than the alternative. (analogs and hand held can openers)

And the pull seal on ketchup bottles!!! Grrr... still have to mod it with a knife sometimes....Geeze you'ld think people would get fed up and quit buying ketchup from vendors like hunt's and heinze. LMAO

 

[SummerDawn]

You have no idea how quickly the ecig products are moving along. One thing you have to consider is how small this community was when it started (and still is, compared to big tobacco), how little money can be spent on R&D over a short period (compared to just about anything), and how little profits most vendors are making.

A lot of us started out shoving things like folded up tea bags in cartridges that leaked everywhere, and we were happy to do so, because it was better than the alternative.

For very little money you can get a Riva, or eGo, some good cartomizers, some good ejuice, and be on your way. You don't need every new tank mod that comes out, or fancy variable voltage PV's. Let other people try out the new gizmos if you're not interested in beta-testing them.

The first "tank" design I tried was one that someone in these forums designed, that used a spring from a pen, a cartridge, a cut straw, and some filler to keep it from leaking (the auto drip method, if you feel like searching for it). Then someone came out with a stamped piece to fit over a cartridge, with a hole, or H, in the end, to fit over the tip of an atomizer. They worked better than what I had before, but they still sucked.

This is a fast developing field, considering almost everything is being designed or refined by the user community.

Now there are tanks of all sorts (like them or not), far better cartomizers than even existed a year ago, bottom fed devices that can last well over a day with nothing to mess with, or batteries to swap, and all sorts of other gadgets. Many of these things work extremely well compared to just a year ago.

Nope, you don't have to buy every gadget, but yes, it is coming along at an exciting pace.

I would expect that in one year from now, you will see things that really blow away what's out there today.

The innovation has become exponential.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[carpedebass]

And the pull seal on ketchup bottles!!! Grrr... still have to mod it with a knife sometimes....Geeze you'ld think people would get fed up and quit buying ketchup from vendors like hunt's and heinze. LMAO

My coffee creamer is even worse!! I have to mod it before I use it too! Sheesh! What a load of poop!! I think they should all just go out of business or, better yet, listen to me whine about it!!

 

[calico21]

My coffee creamer is even worse!! I have to mod it before I use it too! Sheesh! What a load of poop!! I think they should all just go out of business or, better yet, listen to me whine about it!!

Oh Nestle's coffee mate with the red lid just sucks! I break a fingernail every time, they should just use the white cap with the pull tab...oh wait I still spill it if I'm not careful.

Original OP are you seeing a trend here, not everything is perfect, someone will inevitably say "ford truck engines suck " someone will say "Chevy engines are great, but they're trani's suck" The great thing is this is America and right now you can still choose, (maybe not for long) . I choose to spend my money wisely, I look for info from real people, like on forums such as this and I realize that the equipment I got may have been made on a Friday by a guy whose dog died Thursday., but you may get the same equipment made by a guy on Monday who got laid on Saturday and Sunday. Sheet happens, a good vendor will help you through this, and no amount of web traffic tracking will tell you this! Only honest people will and then you will have to decide what is good for you. I don't get on and buy the first shiny new object, money is tight and I'm pretty satisfied with what I've got. I was very skeptical of the ce2's but after investigating I even bought some of the old one's because of learning that I could easily fix most problems there are with them. In some instances you have to use your own judgement, it's why we have a brain!
Okay done ranting! LOL

 

[Uma]

Warning! Shock alert. Shock alert.
The non-drip Perfect Pour eggo Syrup actually works!! :::faint:::: Well, so far at least. Still have 3/4 of the bottle left to see if it still keeps working as promised.

 

[carpedebass]

Warning! Shock alert. Shock alert.
The non-drip Perfect Pour eggo Syrup actually works!! :::faint:::: Well, so far at least. Still have 3/4 of the bottle left to see if it still keeps working as promised.

Surely not!! Could it be? Someone's product actually works? WOW! I may have to check the traffic to their site to be sure they're the real deal! After all, you could be a plant from them just luring us to their product!

 

[ime5000]

you just have to find whats write for you. like many people i started off with blu... i got it was like wow this loks awesome, then i used it for a couple days and never touched it, started looking again, almost got fooled again at the mall with smokefree or something, then i found this site and alot of sutff about ego -t i got that but had to many problems with clogging airflow, leaking, all that stuff, finally talked to someone in person and got a ego mege atty lr started dripping, trying new juices, now i know what i love and want even more, i say dont get the 1st thing that comes out every week, wait a little while, see what other people say. there are a lot of good reviewers out there with videos showing how stuff works, ive proly watched about 100 videos and read endless pages about the provari and i still dotn think im ready to get one yet, but if and when i do, if im happy with it i know its because i took the time to look into it. i dunno man, good luck, hopefully you find your sweet spot.

 

[Iffy]

The non-drip Perfect Pour eggo Syrup actually works!! :::faint::::

Okaaay... But how does it vape?