GGTS imitations

[Aron Gatt]

The fact that the ody ripoff is the only Atty/mod that has been copied exactly and I mean exactly, tell a lot about who is king on the market, don't sweat over this imeo, you re already ahead with ithaka and Achilles.

I agree 100% and not that Ithaka is not great cos it has to be if it's an upgrade of oddy but Achilles is an other revolutionary product I think .. It will work with all mods and versatile aswel : dripping - bottom feeders - tanks - air control - liquid control - rebiuldable and I'm sure I forgot more ..all this in a small atty the size of a long barrel .... I can't even picture it yet ..
Ithaka on the other hand is going to be an oddy monster .. More powerful and controllable!!

That is where I want to invest my hard earned money

 

[BennyBoy]

"when a mod uses a GG feature its a partial copy of my design". That is what I am getting at. A partial copy, not an outright copy, clone or knock off as some state. This ecig market is big enough for more than one manufacturer. I would never doubt, or argue against the fact that Imeo has created some great devices. But once you've tried something and don't like it, it only makes sense to see and try what else other manufacturers are creating.

I've got to admit, when I first started vaping, the GGTS seemed like the pinnacle of ecig mods, which was out of reach for me. But I got one, used for a while and found it wasn't for me. Since then I've tried a few mods, and have a Provari and more recently a Caravela. Both of which, imo, are great devices. I have a Penelope which I use everyday, and after trying a few silica/fb wick attys, have found it to be my favourite. So, yes, I do like GG. I would like an Odysseus but they only come up for sale so often. I will be ordering an Ithaka and will probably try Achilles. In between these items, I will for sure be trying out other attys and mods too. Variety is the spice of life as someone once said.

 

[imeothanasis]

Now we agree Benny. All mods have some GG on them others more and others less. But when you see a mod that is identical to GG external, identical to GG internal and its differences with the GG are a big nothing (like the EA mod or the adam mod) then you have to admit that we are talking for a direct copy. A bigger nut or bolt doesnt make absolutely no difference. These people that makes those e-cigs have to go home if you agree. Or they can stay to cover a hole in GG production line. But saying that a mod is different just because of some minor differences, its not right. Better for a copier to say that he copied GG than trying to make all people look silly by saying that his mod is different. Some people with no brain try to debase other people's minds.

 

[Aron Gatt]

"when a mod uses a GG feature its a partial copy of my design". That is what I am getting at. A partial copy, not an outright copy, clone or knock off as some state. This ecig market is big enough for more than one manufacturer. I would never doubt, or argue against the fact that Imeo has created some great devices. But once you've tried something and don't like it, it only makes sense to see and try what else other manufacturers are creating.

I've got to admit, when I first started vaping, the GGTS seemed like the pinnacle of ecig mods, which was out of reach for me. But I got one, used for a while and found it wasn't for me. Since then I've tried a few mods, and have a Provari and more recently a Caravela. Both of which, imo, are great devices. I have a Penelope which I use everyday, and after trying a few silica/fb wick attys, have found it to be my favourite. So, yes, I do like GG. I would like an Odysseus but they only come up for sale so often. I will be ordering an Ithaka and will probably try Achilles. In between these items, I will for sure be trying out other attys and mods too. Variety is the spice of life as someone once said.

I agree with you here on varies points ..I never doubted you liked GG atomisers and I can even understand that the ggts is not for you and of course the market is big so I'm sure u will find one if you didn't already cos the caravella is a nice solid good mod and I'm on the list now that I have held one in my hand .... But to get a 69 or worse an EA or even worse an Adam mmm il go for the GGTS ... A friend of mine got the 69 so I held it in my hand and i tryed to see what they call a versatile mod in action ... Hand on my heart IT'S A COPY100% and to my opinion it's not worth that price to say the least .. The button lock will develope problems and it will not take long but anyway it's not the point ..the PIONT is that it's there to pick up the those that missed the ggts to say the least!!
Il give you an example 100% unbiased : my girl friend doesnt smoke and she knows nothing about vaping , mods and all this ..infact she think I'm nuts sometimes .when I showed her a pic of the 69 mod and the Adam now this EA .. She told me that are like mine " meaning GGTS" how unbiased can you be more that that!!

 

[Moonwalker]

..the PIONT is

Wait, say whaaaaatttttttt?

We are still waiting for Achilles, Ithaka, VIR and Proteus, and now there is a new thing in plan called PIONT?

I can't stan this any more.

 

[Aal_]

Guys, it is simple. Look at the war between Apple and Google (android fan by the way). The common things are just silly things now like "touch capabilities" or "2 fingers zoom". These are like 1% of the different features they both have, AND STILL Apple says it patented those features. I cannot say Android copied Apple, because each has its own features from there on and these are like 99%.

NOW BACK TO OUR TOPIC

EA and 69 and ADAM have 100% of their features copied from GG. GG has more features still. So these mods did not innovate in any way. If they have copied the standard things which are like battery, round tube, spring etc ... it would be like Google copying from Apple the touch and swipe etc.. etc... My problem with these copiers however is that they took the standards from GG plus part of the innovations of Imeo without presenting any new innovations made by them.

Does anyone say now that having 510 connection is copying the first guy who did it? No. Because 510 is a standard and not a feature anymore. A telescope was an innovation by IMEO and still is. In 10 years maybe it will become standard and at that point you can include it in your mod, but even then we would say something like "New mod with standard 510 connection and standard GG telescope copyright of IMEO" but at that point Imeo is the one to decide to make it standard, patent it and publish its design. The features of the GG are not standard and they are unique, THIS INCLUDES HOW IT LOOKS. Until they become standard, those mods are copiers. Do you have new innovations and need a telescope for it? you go suggest that innovation to Imeo because you are building on his efforts. And then it is up to Imeo to give you rights in using the original in your mod or maybe recognize your innovation by putting your name on a GG product.

The summary here is that when you take 100% features of another product and make a mod it is a definitely a COPY, when you take standard things that constitutes a very small amount of the product and innovate in the big part, it is not, anything in between is also a COPY!

 

[Rise]

Android is a ripoff of iOS just like 69 or whatever that mod Scott reviewed (horrible name too) is a ripoff of GG. It doesn't mean new ideas can't be added and weren't. Like the button that can move which is cool, but give credit where credit is due I think.

 

[BennyBoy]

Maybe if someone designs a triangular battery or something modders could drift away from the tube mods

Thanks for the discussion contributors and Imeo. It's nice to have a decent conversation on a topic such as this. I'll carry on trying out different devices and who knows, I may try a GGTS again, or hopefully, a new GG ecig some time soon

 

[mgrigore]

... he should refuse to review knockoffs...it gives them validity in some people's eyes.

Scott is a well respected reviewer. Not reviewing knockoffs shows respect to the original modder.

Unfortunately, there will always be someone to review the copies. To fight these copies, if I were Imeo, I would make GG products largely available.
When I can buy GG and EA for approximately the same price, what would you choose? I would take the GG, without a single thought....

Unfortunately GGs are rare (and exquisite as well)... you need to wait and wait the pre-sale. Not everybody has patience.

 

[imeothanasis]

Thanks for your post aal, its a great one

Only 2 people asked me for a permission to put a GG feature on their mods and I said yes to both of them aal. One was BR that put the GG button to his box mod witch is wonderful by the way and sturm for his mod. But sturm desided to put telescope too on his mod without asking me lol. All the others just make copies without worring about anything. But the best thing is that some people accuse me that I am not a good person thats why they dont buy from me. Maybe the copiers are better persons and these people that accuse me prefere the copiers

Guys, it is simple. Look at the war between Apple and Google (android fan by the way). The common things are just silly things now like "touch capabilities" or "2 fingers zoom". These are like 1% of the different features they both have, AND STILL Apple says it patented those features. I cannot say Android copied Apple, because each has its own features from there on and these are like 99%.

NOW BACK TO OUR TOPIC

EA and 69 and ADAM have 100% of their features copied from GG. GG has more features still. So these mods did not innovate in any way. If they have copied the standard things which are like battery, round tube, spring etc ... it would be like Google copying from Apple the touch and swipe etc.. etc... My problem with these copiers however is that they took the standards from GG plus part of the innovations of Imeo without presenting any new innovations made by them.

Does anyone say now that having 510 connection is copying the first guy who did it? No. Because 510 is a standard and not a feature anymore. A telescope was an innovation by IMEO and still is. In 10 years maybe it will become standard and at that point you can include it in your mod, but even then we would say something like "New mod with standard 510 connection and standard GG telescope copyright of IMEO" but at that point Imeo is the one to decide to make it standard, patent it and publish its design. The features of the GG are not standard and they are unique, THIS INCLUDES HOW IT LOOKS. Until they become standard, those mods are copiers. Do you have new innovations and need a telescope for it? you go suggest that innovation to Imeo because you are building on his efforts. And then it is up to Imeo to give you rights in using the original in your mod or maybe recognize your innovation by putting your name on a GG product.

The summary here is that when you take 100% features of another product and make a mod it is a definitely a COPY, when you take standard things that constitutes a very small amount of the product and innovate in the big part, it is not, anything in between is also a COPY!

 

[Aron Gatt]

Thanks for your post aal, its a great one

Only 2 people asked me for a permission to put a GG feature on their mods and I said yes to both of them aal. One was BR that put the GG button to his box mod witch is wonderful by the way and sturm for his mod. But sturm desided to put telescope too on his mod without asking me lol. All the others just make copies without worring about anything. But the best thing is that some people accuse me that I am not a good person thats why they dont buy from me. Maybe the copiers are better persons and these people that accuse me prefere the copiers

ur a bad person ... at the end they lose cos if ur a bad person ur wife has to stick with you, I only have to stick with ur wonderful creations

Ps: hope you don't mind Imeo

 

[imeothanasis]

ahahaha, yes my wife suffers with me Aron

 

[rebuilder]

First, these mods don't offer half the features/value of a GGTS and are at a greater cost to boot BUT... then we have people defending GG in this thread who chose to buy a Caravela which has a bottom mounted button and interchangeable tubes, features which are in the same way copied from previously released mods which smacks of plain hypocrisy. At least show some consistency in your ethics guys.

 

[BennyBoy]

Here you go guys, a few points on how different the so called "copy" 69 mod is from other tube mods and the GGTS:

1)69's button is AN INNOVATION.It gives the vaper the ability to choose the position he likes most..up or down
2)Button is rounded attached to a squared frame and not attached to a pole..
3)Switch lock mechanism is made through pulling a little the button and 1/4 turn of a full circle and doesn't use an extra metal ring
4)The switch creates conductivity between 2 opposite contacts and not an Axis
5)The switch is a high sophisticated mechanism, completely irrelevant to the rest of the mod, which doesn't need a spring for the power to pass through.It doesn't have a Case, it has 3 Axis and is build within its own chamber.
6)Button doesn't have the same dimensions that ggts has.
7)Button doesn't need a locking ring.
8)69 mod has a versatile cap which can be used at the upper/bottom of the mod.Bottom cap function like a post.Venting air holes are on the tube
10)There is no plastic in the bottom cap.
11)The air adjustment to the atomizer is made through 2 holes..not 3
12)There is no engravement on the tubes or the telescope
13)Telescope is not the same with ggts.It can handle 35mm to 65mm where ggts can handle 35mm to 50mm and need to use an extra tube for the rest.69 telescopic has only 2 pieces.
14)Extension is not necessary in the 69
15)Connector's pin doesn't use o rings but opposite screws.
16)Connector's cap is 510 connection//not 901
17)The whole construction has nothing to do with any other mod
18)The whole construction doesn't work in similar way to any other mod
19)The telescopic can be placed upside down to change also its appearance giving the vaper the ability of 4 different looks of the mod
20)The button's spring function is to bring back the button and is not there for conductivity.In this way it minimizes the power loss.
21)Button's center post uses high quality plastic which can handle up to 400 C
22)The way the button is constructed gives the ability to the vaper to use tight fit cases without any issues(Button can be pressed in lock mod causing less diameter and easier storage to small cases)
23)Outside dimensions of the mod are not the same with ggts.Has smaller diameter and less length
24)The threads are not the same.It uses different threads rate to the telescope, caps and button.
25)The engravement is on the button and the bottom cap and not on the body
26)The contacts are gold plated and don't have to brass them to clean them
27)The air flow is made through turning top cap and not screwing any rings

Quite different imo. (Copied and pasted)

 

[Aron Gatt]

First, these mods don't offer half the features/value of a GGTS and are at a greater cost to boot BUT... then we have people defending GG in this thread who chose to buy a Caravela which has a bottom mounted button and interchangeable tubes, features which are in the same way copied from previously released mods which smacks of plain hypocrisy. At least show some consistency in your ethics guys.

36 post mmmmmmm " and it makes me wonder" ..hypocrisy lol

Caravella has a bottom button yes it was first GG concept " but that's every mod out there mate" read alwanni's post !!
But there is a huge differance from a caravella to a 69 mod .... Put them beside a ggts and see which one is more like the ggts !

 

[Aron Gatt]

Here you go guys, a few points on how different the so called "copy" 69 mod is from other tube mods and the GGTS:

1)69's button is AN INNOVATION.It gives the vaper the ability to choose the position he likes most..up or down
2)Button is rounded attached to a squared frame and not attached to a pole..
3)Switch lock mechanism is made through pulling a little the button and 1/4 turn of a full circle and doesn't use an extra metal ring
4)The switch creates conductivity between 2 opposite contacts and not an Axis
5)The switch is a high sophisticated mechanism, completely irrelevant to the rest of the mod, which doesn't need a spring for the power to pass through.It doesn't have a Case, it has 3 Axis and is build within its own chamber.
6)Button doesn't have the same dimensions that ggts has.
7)Button doesn't need a locking ring.
8)69 mod has a versatile cap which can be used at the upper/bottom of the mod.Bottom cap function like a post.Venting air holes are on the tube
10)There is no plastic in the bottom cap.
11)The air adjustment to the atomizer is made through 2 holes..not 3
12)There is no engravement on the tubes or the telescope
13)Telescope is not the same with ggts.It can handle 35mm to 65mm where ggts can handle 35mm to 50mm and need to use an extra tube for the rest.69 telescopic has only 2 pieces.
14)Extension is not necessary in the 69
15)Connector's pin doesn't use o rings but opposite screws.
16)Connector's cap is 510 connection//not 901
17)The whole construction has nothing to do with any other mod
18)The whole construction doesn't work in similar way to any other mod
19)The telescopic can be placed upside down to change also its appearance giving the vaper the ability of 4 different looks of the mod
20)The button's spring function is to bring back the button and is not there for conductivity.In this way it minimizes the power loss.
21)Button's center post uses high quality plastic which can handle up to 400 C
22)The way the button is constructed gives the ability to the vaper to use tight fit cases without any issues(Button can be pressed in lock mod causing less diameter and easier storage to small cases)
23)Outside dimensions of the mod are not the same with ggts.Has smaller diameter and less length
24)The threads are not the same.It uses different threads rate to the telescope, caps and button.
25)The engravement is on the button and the bottom cap and not on the body
26)The contacts are gold plated and don't have to brass them to clean them
27)The air flow is made through turning top cap and not screwing any rings

Quite different imo. (Copied and pasted)

Ben is not what the maker say ..is what my eyes see and hands feel mate.

 

[imeothanasis]

1, Nice comparison Benny but you forgot the disadvantages

ok, lets take a look on your list. We will see the differences and the advantages of each other. Dont forget that 69 looks like GGTS when you see it and thats an issue in first place if you agree

1. 69's useful features (not its useless or its gangerous features) are the same as GGTS but less. For example it doesnt have 4 in 1 connector so it doesnt allow any kind of atomizer on it

2. No collector tank, so liquid will come to your hands and clothes

3. Does venting holes comes near to atomizer when you change the position of the cap? If yes then you will burn your face in case of a battery explosion, so not a good option if you agree. We make useful and safe options we dont just make options.

4. Air control is to the same place as GGTS and it works by twisting a ring or something I dont really know but lets say that its different. But as you see it cant control all atomizers as GGTS can, only 510 ones

5. No safety fuse

6. GGTS connector moves automatically to meet any atomizer so you dont have to unscrew the cap to adjust the pole.

7. Your 3. 4. and 5 are all about the button, so you make list big without a reason. Ok, if switch creates a contactivity between 2 contacts be sure that you cant have the best contactivity like this. Its very difficult to have the right connection when an axis tries to contact on 2 axises at the same time. Thats something I had thought 3 years before and I rejected. I had put a plastic inside the engraved tube with 2 metal posts and the axis almost never touched both posts. Then I made a conical pin but the surface that it was touching was very small in both axises.

Your 4. says that switch is irrelevant to the mod. Thats not an advantage. I am not saying that its not different than GGTS but your list looks like you want to highlight the advantages that 69 has (on your opinion only of course) and it doesnt include only the differences

Your 6. is not a difference

7. Thats a difference but not an advantage

8. Your 8 is disadvantage if venting holes comes near to atomizer

Your 10 is not a difference lol. We are talking about serious differences

Your 11 is not a serious difference Benny

Your 12. is not a serious difference Benny

Telescope is exactly the same, only bigger to handle all batteries without an extension, so you are wrong Benny. As for the length of the telescope, I could make a longer telescope by myself. But I wanted to make a beautiful mod too, not just a mod. Thats why I made extension, to make telescope look small and between 2 big tubes, not between a big tube and a cap like 69

14. Your 14 is exactly the same as 12, so your just make again the list bigger without a reason

Your 15 is a disadvantage and a copy of Stealth's connector at the same time Benny. I dont use opossite screws on Stealth because its totally useless. But if 69 uses the Stealth's connector, then if you want to adjust the pin you will have leakage without o-rings like GGTS has on its moving pole.

Your 16 says that GGTS's connector is an 901? That wrong Benny. GGTS connector is a 4 in 1 connector that allows any atomizer on it.

Your 17 is just making the list big without a reason Benny

Your 18. Same as your 17 Benny

Your 19 is the same as your 8 so please check my 8 number Benny

Your 20 is a disadvantage Benny. Please see my 7. number. And I want to see how customers will be able to clean the contacts when time comes

Your 21 is a disadvantage Benny. First of all you dont put plastics that can handle 400 celsious degrees in a mod without a reason. Tell me the reason and we can talk about this further. Second and much more important, plastics like this are like ceramics, they break very easy. I tried to use a plastic like this instead of ceramic inside Ody and the result was always a broken plastic on the machines.

Your 22 is not understandable Benny

If the outside diameter is less than the GGTS then thats a disadvantage too because very thin walls will have bended tubes as a result if mod falls to the ground even for only one time. Threads will never screw each other again. GGTS has the right diameter for the 18650 battery. As for its length, how long is the 69? Maybe its smaller because it misses features like collector tank? But I would like to see its length. Also, dimentions are not a real difference, so your 23 just makes the list big without a reason

Your 24 is not a difference Benny just like your 23 isnt

Your 25 is not a serious difference Benny and you make the list big without a reason because you talked about this in your 12 number

Your 26 number is a disadvantage Benny. Gold is soft and is not good for moving contacts, only for fixed surfaces. Also plated surfaces are not strong at all. In a while gold will leave surface and the contactivity will be worse than brass. After this you will have to clean your contacts. I am wondering how easy is to clean 3 contacts on this mod. (GGTS has 2 contacts and very easy to be cleaned)

Your 27 is a difference but a disadvantage for one more time Benny. As I see 69 has a thin cap so no good griping to turn it and also it seems very dificult to be cleaned when time comes and that time comes often on that part of an e-cig, that is air holes. Liquid sticks everywhere so you need to clean your parts. GGTS on the other hand can be dissasembled very easy, you clean everything and you put them back together in 1 minute. Also 69 requires from the user very small and accurate movements because it has very small path to adjust air. You will never be able to adjust air correctly

As for the movable button in 2 places, I made a GGTS 3 years ago with a movable button in 4 places, so I dont see any invention here Benny.

Αlso on 69 when the button is near the atomizer and with your ring you wear on your hands push the button and at the same time your ring you touch the body of the mod, or if you left it unlocked in your bag or in your pocket and a metal thing or change in your pocket push the button and touch the body of the mod at the same time you will have a short. If the mod is in your bag or in your pocket you will not understand it and an explosion may happen. Its like you carry a bomb to your pocket or your bag

The final result is that 69 has less features than GGTS, and it copied the rest of GGTS's features and also made them more difficult for the user. The only more feature that it has is to move button on top but thats a dangerous one as we said before. Also button looks bad on the top because its big. Top button mods require a small and short button

69's connector is brass? I hope not

ps....... When we make a construction we dont try to copy someone, we just have to try to make our own but thinking as deep as we can. Deep thinking includes:

Clever construction that gives features to customers
An as simple as we can constuction so easy to be understood from the customer
Easy and quick assembling dissasembling, user friendly device
right price
Useful features, not useless and/or dangerous ones
Easy way for the customer to handle the device, quick and easy way to make it work
Beautiful

Sorry but I didnt see that this was not your post but a copy-paste post, so dont pay attention where I say "your" post

 

[Poppa D]

Nice job Imeo, the post about a copy was copied, lol to funny.

 

[BennyBoy]

That is a very good post Imeo, must have taken a little time to compose that, thanks. Also, thanks for acknowledging it's not my post

I read it and thought it would go some way to supporting my point of view. It has shown that there are still some similarities, but also some differences. You certainly show your experience in there, that's for sure.

I think this topic has taken up enough of your time now Imeo, and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and comments on the subject.

I've probably got enough info now to go and make my own GGTS clone Watch out for the BBTS some time soon

 

[imeothanasis]

I will wait for your GGTS Benny ahahaha
Thanks a lot buddy, be well