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Poppa D

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I know this much, only the Rolling Stones do what they do. After 50 yrs no one can steal their material for free.
I'm sure Henry Ford and the Wright Bros would like to comment about copy rights infringement.
This is a silly debate.
The GGTS should not be copied with out paying Imeo his share. This should be just plain old fashioned common sense. Since the GG line-up is going to be copied for many years to come. Imeo deserves his share all the way.
 

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. The Caravela switch is different in several ways from the GGSlim: the threads that secure the locking ring are reverse threaded, and they actually screw directly into the main housing of the switch (male threads on locking ring, female on switch housing, which is opposite from the GGSlim button and all other GG buttons since), so they're recessed into the body of the switch housing and no threads are ever exposed. The Caravela switch also does not use a delrin insulator at the base of the battery. Instead, the walls of the button housing were left slightly thicker so that they would only touch the battery's wrapper, thus serving as a built in insulator. The switch also has a vent hole hidden inside of it so that the mod doesn't require any visible holes on its surface. As for the positive post, it does use a system that's similar to the Stealth, but it's definitely not identical. The biggest similarity is how it uses a threaded piece of black delrin to insulate the positive contact, but that's something that every mechanical mod must have, and Trogg even did that in the original SD at the very end of 2008.

I agree with you on this ..I always was a bit scaptic about it but once I saw a caravella and saw the build and thought into it ...I went over and had put my self on the list " infact I need to update it to two mods not one ;)

I agree with rick, Totally different mods route. I mean a tube is a tube, there are only so many ways to make something. Bottom buttons are bottom buttons, the execution of the button is what sets it apart.

Well I drop the tottaly tho ;)

You'll never see a review of a knock off on my YouTube channel! Nor will you ever see one listed in my signature!

And you should keep it that way ! We only need to support innovators ....

Ps: about the signature , soon ull not have space to write ur post :D " beautiful collection "

Many moders were inspired by Imeo and the GG's throughout the years and many blatantly copied Imeo. I think there's a huge difference here because the one's that were inspired by Imeo have only great things to say about him. The others don't even know him ...

I agree 1000%

Dave you don't really have those gloves do you buddy? :laugh:

I understand if he does :lol:
 

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You own a caravela so you know better than me Rick. But on the video it looked the same. Same movement, same locking. If I am wrong on this then I apologize to you and to Pedro that makes caravela of course:)
I don't agree at all Imeo. The Caravela switch is different in several ways from the GGSlim: the threads that secure the locking ring are reverse threaded, and they actually screw directly into the main housing of the switch (male threads on locking ring, female on switch housing, which is opposite from the GGSlim button and all other GG buttons since), so they're recessed into the body of the switch housing and no threads are ever exposed. The Caravela switch also does not use a delrin insulator at the base of the battery. Instead, the walls of the button housing were left slightly thicker so that they would only touch the battery's wrapper, thus serving as a built in insulator. The switch also has a vent hole hidden inside of it so that the mod doesn't require any visible holes on its surface. As for the positive post, it does use a system that's similar to the Stealth, but it's definitely not identical. The biggest similarity is how it uses a threaded piece of black delrin to insulate the positive contact, but that's something that every mechanical mod must have, and Trogg even did that in the original SD at the very end of 2008. The contact itself is similarly threaded, but it lacks the hexagonal base that the Stealth's post has, and instead it basically uses a retrofitted flat-head screw. While the Stealth has a spring in the ground connection to ensure a snug fit with your batteries even if you raise or lower the positive post, the Caravela comes with 5 different sized positive posts to serve a similar function, but the Caravela posts can actually extend much deeper into the 510 connector than the Stealth posts do.

I'm really not trying to be disrespectful here Imeo!!!!! I am just passionate about both my GGs AND my Caravelas, which are, in my opinion, the two very best devices on the market currently, so I don't like to see either of them insulted or accused of things that are not true. Believe me, God forbid if Pedro ever accused you of stealing from him, I wouldn't spend 30 minutes writing out an explanation for everyone to try and add some clarity to the situation, I would probably just sell my Caravelas out of spite (NOTE: Pedro has NEVER EVER EVER made any such accusations, he is actually an admirer of you and your work, I was just using that as a hypothetical to contextualize where I'm coming from). The one thing that Pedro definitely copied from the GG is attention to detail, as both are truly perfectly machined and finished devices! Something else worth noting here is that Pedro does not own and has never owned any GGs, and he was actually inspired to make the Caravela because he was never able to get a GG!
 

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Inspired or not, Caravela is a great, safe, well built mod, somehow different when you own one. Pedro does this just for fun, can't imagine if he's doing this for money! He's a very talent guy and know a lot of this, his reputation can't be compared with common copiers and he deserves respect. Even if he was coping something, it would be a copy better than the original ..
 

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Well put utal, I couldn't agree more.
Inspired or not, Caravela is a great, safe, well built mod, somehow different when you own one. Pedro does this just for fun, can't imagine if he's doing this for money! He's a very talent guy and know a lot of this, his reputation can't be compared with common copiers and he deserves respect. Even if he was coping something, it would be a copy better than the original ..
 

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On a lighter note

Rick (rwechsler) and Dave (dspin) you guys crack me up with those GIF's. Dave you don't really have those gloves do you buddy? :laugh:


No Capt, but RW told me he only handled his Brass GGTS 3 times and had gloves on. He as never going to use it. Then I badgered him into using it finally. Now hes glad as it hits best of any TS ever made - with ALL brass contacts
 

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Inspired or not, Caravela is a great, safe, well built mod, somehow different when you own one. Pedro does this just for fun, can't imagine if he's doing this for money! He's a very talent guy and know a lot of this, his reputation can't be compared with common copiers and he deserves respect. Even if he was coping something, it would be a copy better than the original ..


++++++++++++10 on that - Hey Utal - where you been buddy
 

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Ive been reading all of this and had some comments. I thought strongly about not responding for fear that my comments would be taken the wrong way, but finally decided to say something.

I want to start by saying that I am a huge, huge fan of Imeo's devices. I have in a short period accumulated about 7 devices and more parts than I can even count. I have had three Ody's and two penelope's I have two Iatty's on order as well.

I guess my overwhelming feeling as I read this is why this is really being discussed. I will not argue with either the innovations that Imeo has made or his influence on devices that have followed or even if devices have either taken inspiration from them or blatantly copied him.

I guess the thing that strikes me is this. If everyone is so upset with this latest copy (which in full disclosure I have purchased) then people should not really be discussing it at all. By discussing it, it is actually drawing more attention to that device and probably selling more of them. It is a perfect example of "there is no such thing as bad press" I purchased the mentioned device because of the one piece feature and mostly because it was named for the year I was born. Do I like it better than my GG's? I would not say that (in fact there are updates coming to make it work consistently). I love my GG's more and more all the time. But the reality of this business is that people are either going to take inspiration from devices that came before, or just copy certain features all together.

I will continue to purchase new devices. I will also continue to love and purchase anything Imeo makes. I was late to the game, but have more than made up for it in recent times and plan on doing my own version of a full blown review soon. The brass that I have received recently makes me love them even more.

I guess my long winded point is that if people are truly aggravated by the "copies" the best thing would be to not discuss them at all. Doing that is actually having the opposite effect of what you are wanting. As bothersome as it is to Imeo, all I can say is that you can take pride in the fact that you were first and that your features are so great, that people either cannot come up with new ideas or that those specific features are so great, that there is no improving on them. I own a business that people have tried to copy here locally. I admit I get aggravated when that happens. It is truly a sign that what you are doing is so great that others want to emulate it. You can combat that by continuing to move forward and innovate and improve on your original ideas. That is the best way to "win"

I hope my post is taken in the spirit in which it is written and that it does not create more drama or upset anyone.
 

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I just wish Imeo had patented the button switch. To me it is the essence of the TS and one of the main reasons it's my mod of choice. ESPECIALLY WITH THE BRASS CONNECTIONS AND SPRINGS! I love my TS' now more than I ever have. Performance matches the build quality now...and that button just kicks ...! Best switch ever! Please don't ever change it Imeo.
 

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Great post ob. Be sure that we dont really care about copiers, we are all proud that we are copied. Also we are proud that we never stop making new innovated things. Thats the spirit of GG, not the money.
Ive been reading all of this and had some comments. I thought strongly about not responding for fear that my comments would be taken the wrong way, but finally decided to say something.

I want to start by saying that I am a huge, huge fan of Imeo's devices. I have in a short period accumulated about 7 devices and more parts than I can even count. I have had three Ody's and two penelope's I have two Iatty's on order as well.

I guess my overwhelming feeling as I read this is why this is really being discussed. I will not argue with either the innovations that Imeo has made or his influence on devices that have followed or even if devices have either taken inspiration from them or blatantly copied him.

I guess the thing that strikes me is this. If everyone is so upset with this latest copy (which in full disclosure I have purchased) then people should not really be discussing it at all. By discussing it, it is actually drawing more attention to that device and probably selling more of them. It is a perfect example of "there is no such thing as bad press" I purchased the mentioned device because of the one piece feature and mostly because it was named for the year I was born. Do I like it better than my GG's? I would not say that (in fact there are updates coming to make it work consistently). I love my GG's more and more all the time. But the reality of this business is that people are either going to take inspiration from devices that came before, or just copy certain features all together.

I will continue to purchase new devices. I will also continue to love and purchase anything Imeo makes. I was late to the game, but have more than made up for it in recent times and plan on doing my own version of a full blown review soon. The brass that I have received recently makes me love them even more.

I guess my long winded point is that if people are truly aggravated by the "copies" the best thing would be to not discuss them at all. Doing that is actually having the opposite effect of what you are wanting. As bothersome as it is to Imeo, all I can say is that you can take pride in the fact that you were first and that your features are so great, that people either cannot come up with new ideas or that those specific features are so great, that there is no improving on them. I own a business that people have tried to copy here locally. I admit I get aggravated when that happens. It is truly a sign that what you are doing is so great that others want to emulate it. You can combat that by continuing to move forward and innovate and improve on your original ideas. That is the best way to "win"

I hope my post is taken in the spirit in which it is written and that it does not create more drama or upset anyone.
 

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If button change will change just to be better River, no woprries about that:)
I just wish Imeo had patented the button switch. To me it is the essence of the TS and one of the main reasons it's my mod of choice. ESPECIALLY WITH THE BRASS CONNECTIONS AND SPRINGS! I love my TS' now more than I ever have. Performance matches the build quality now...and that button just kicks ...! Best switch ever! Please don't ever change it Imeo.
 

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Ive been reading all of this and had some comments. I thought strongly about not responding for fear that my comments would be taken the wrong way, but finally decided to say something.

I want to start by saying that I am a huge, huge fan of Imeo's devices. I have in a short period accumulated about 7 devices and more parts than I can even count. I have had three Ody's and two penelope's I have two Iatty's on order as well.

I guess my overwhelming feeling as I read this is why this is really being discussed. I will not argue with either the innovations that Imeo has made or his influence on devices that have followed or even if devices have either taken inspiration from them or blatantly copied him.

I guess the thing that strikes me is this. If everyone is so upset with this latest copy (which in full disclosure I have purchased) then people should not really be discussing it at all. By discussing it, it is actually drawing more attention to that device and probably selling more of them. It is a perfect example of "there is no such thing as bad press" I purchased the mentioned device because of the one piece feature and mostly because it was named for the year I was born. Do I like it better than my GG's? I would not say that (in fact there are updates coming to make it work consistently). I love my GG's more and more all the time. But the reality of this business is that people are either going to take inspiration from devices that came before, or just copy certain features all together.

I will continue to purchase new devices. I will also continue to love and purchase anything Imeo makes. I was late to the game, but have more than made up for it in recent times and plan on doing my own version of a full blown review soon. The brass that I have received recently makes me love them even more.

I guess my long winded point is that if people are truly aggravated by the "copies" the best thing would be to not discuss them at all. Doing that is actually having the opposite effect of what you are wanting. As bothersome as it is to Imeo, all I can say is that you can take pride in the fact that you were first and that your features are so great, that people either cannot come up with new ideas or that those specific features are so great, that there is no improving on them. I own a business that people have tried to copy here locally. I admit I get aggravated when that happens. It is truly a sign that what you are doing is so great that others want to emulate it. You can combat that by continuing to move forward and innovate and improve on your original ideas. That is the best way to "win"

I hope my post is taken in the spirit in which it is written and that it does not create more drama or upset anyone.

Well I can understand you but in this case im not so sure ! Why ... Well the price is the first thing that will throw me off it " cost almost the same as a ggts , it has a lower build quality ! And once you have held and used it and fired the button and everything you can tell that the button will give problems !! I said that before in a post and now already there's an update coming.. Saw a video on dismantle the switch aswell and that shows the flaws in the mod!!
Aesthetically it looks a little bit like a GG but build - quality -performance ..... It nothing like a GGTS for sure " I'm not saying that u said this" cos ur PIONT was on advertising it by talking about it.... Bt how I see it " could be wrong" is that I have to speak that is a copy and a failed one too ... Now people decide for them selves. If they want to and throw there money on a copy that has flaws in it !!
I choose to invest mine on a GGTS and if people can't find a ggts , I can only say WAIT for it sure Imeo will make more soon and probably more improved aswel.

IT'S WORTH IT ;)
 

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I'll throw my two cents, I was leanin towards the ea and the 69, showed the wife, who is not a vaper and has zero interest in my e CIG "crap" as she calls it, and she said isn't that imeos cigarette? Lol why don't u just get real one? Their all the same so might as well get the real one right? Shut me the f up lol, closed the pages on the tablet I was showing her and walked away lolol
 

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Ive been reading all of this and had some comments. I thought strongly about not responding for fear that my comments would be taken the wrong way, but finally decided to say something.

I want to start by saying that I am a huge, huge fan of Imeo's devices. I have in a short period accumulated about 7 devices and more parts than I can even count. I have had three Ody's and two penelope's I have two Iatty's on order as well.

I guess my overwhelming feeling as I read this is why this is really being discussed. I will not argue with either the innovations that Imeo has made or his influence on devices that have followed or even if devices have either taken inspiration from them or blatantly copied him.

I guess the thing that strikes me is this. If everyone is so upset with this latest copy (which in full disclosure I have purchased) then people should not really be discussing it at all. By discussing it, it is actually drawing more attention to that device and probably selling more of them. It is a perfect example of "there is no such thing as bad press" I purchased the mentioned device because of the one piece feature and mostly because it was named for the year I was born. Do I like it better than my GG's? I would not say that (in fact there are updates coming to make it work consistently). I love my GG's more and more all the time. But the reality of this business is that people are either going to take inspiration from devices that came before, or just copy certain features all together.

I will continue to purchase new devices. I will also continue to love and purchase anything Imeo makes. I was late to the game, but have more than made up for it in recent times and plan on doing my own version of a full blown review soon. The brass that I have received recently makes me love them even more.

I guess my long winded point is that if people are truly aggravated by the "copies" the best thing would be to not discuss them at all. Doing that is actually having the opposite effect of what you are wanting. As bothersome as it is to Imeo, all I can say is that you can take pride in the fact that you were first and that your features are so great, that people either cannot come up with new ideas or that those specific features are so great, that there is no improving on them. I own a business that people have tried to copy here locally. I admit I get aggravated when that happens. It is truly a sign that what you are doing is so great that others want to emulate it. You can combat that by continuing to move forward and innovate and improve on your original ideas. That is the best way to "win"

I hope my post is taken in the spirit in which it is written and that it does not create more drama or upset anyone.

Jesus, you're 43? You sure as crap don't look it.......:)

I'll throw my two cents, I was leanin towards the ea and the 69, showed the wife, who is not a vaper and has zero interest in my e CIG "crap" as she calls it, and she said isn't that imeos cigarette? Lol why don't u just get real one? Their all the same so might as well get the real one right? Shut me the f up lol, closed the pages on the tablet I was showing her and walked away lolol

Why do our wives have so much more common sense than we do, buddy?!?!?! :laugh:
 

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Sounds like a keeper, you're a lucky man Urq.
I'll throw my two cents, I was leanin towards the ea and the 69, showed the wife, who is not a vaper and has zero interest in my e CIG "crap" as she calls it, and she said isn't that imeos cigarette? Lol why don't u just get real one? Their all the same so might as well get the real one right? Shut me the f up lol, closed the pages on the tablet I was showing her and walked away lolol
 
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