You can, but some VG is really thick and may need to be thinned a bit with either PG or a few drops of distilled water for it to wick well.
Lu
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You can, but some VG is really thick and may need to be thinned a bit with either PG or a few drops of distilled water for it to wick well.
Lu
This was in post #18 of this very thread:
Read that Humco spec sheet, I see:
Swallowing: Swallowing small amounts of this material during normal handling is not likely to cause harmful effects. Swallowing large amounts may be harmful.
Inhalation: Breathing of vapor or mist is possible.
Symptoms of Exposure: Signs and symptoms of exposure to this material through breathing, swallowing, and/or passage of the material through the skin may include: stomach or intestinal upset (nausea, vomiting, ........), irritation (nose, throat, airways).
Target Organ Effects: No data.
Developmental Information: No data.
Cancer Information: No data.
Other Health Effects: No data.
Primary Route(s) of Entry: Inhalation, skin contact.
So there you have it. It could cause symptoms no matter which way it is used....but it doesn't sound particularly dangerous. PG can cause similar symptoms, particularly in those with allergies. Really doesn't sound like it warrants a "DO NOT USE" tag though.
So this might be worth bookmarking too, for those of those who are wondering.
Lu
Read that Humco spec sheet, I see:
Swallowing: Swallowing small amounts of this material during normal handling is not likely to cause harmful effects. Swallowing large amounts may be harmful.
Inhalation: Breathing of vapor or mist is possible.
Symptoms of Exposure: Signs and symptoms of exposure to this material through breathing, swallowing, and/or passage of the material through the skin may include: stomach or intestinal upset (nausea, vomiting, ........), irritation (nose, throat, airways).
Target Organ Effects: No data.
Developmental Information: No data.
Cancer Information: No data.
Other Health Effects: No data.
Primary Route(s) of Entry: Inhalation, skin contact.
So there you have it. It could cause symptoms no matter which way it is used....but it doesn't sound particularly dangerous. PG can cause similar symptoms, particularly in those with allergies. Really doesn't sound like it warrants a "DO NOT USE" tag though.
So this might be worth bookmarking too, for those of those who are wondering.
Lu
No they did not. I just wanted to note where I heard that the HUMCO was not necessarily vegetable glycerin.
People can vape what they want.
Glycerin is used as part of the formulation in asthma MDI's (metered dose inhalers) as well as in Nasonex and these have been approved by the FDA.
Recent studies show:
In humans, the licensed use of Clenil Modulite (an asthma inhaler) permits a maximum of 8mg of glycerol inhaled in one day or 0.16mg/kg/day based on a 50kg adult. The toxicology of glycerol following administration by inhalation was investigated in an 13-week inhalation study of aerolised glycerol in rats10 using doses in rats equivalent to 20mg/kg/day and 76mg/kg/day in humans which is 125 and 475 times higher than the maximum dose delivered through Clenil Modulite. Additionally, the ACGIH (1996) has reported that bio-kinetic studies indicate that a 70kg adult should be able to metabolise and excrete over two grams of glycerol per eight hour work day.11 It is on this basis that the present threshold limit (TLV) for inhaled glycerol is set for that of respirable nuisance particulates.11 The doses used in the 13 week study were 16.5 and 61 times the TLV. Based upon the results of the 13 week inhalation toxicology results, the use of up to 1mg/puff of glycerol in Clenil Modulite is not considered to pose a risk to patients as stated in the Clenil Modulite SPC.
Hope this helps.
Recent studies show:
In humans, the licensed use of Clenil Modulite (an asthma inhaler) permits a maximum of 8mg of glycerol inhaled in one day or 0.16mg/kg/day based on a 50kg adult. The toxicology of glycerol following administration by inhalation was investigated in an 13-week inhalation study of aerolised glycerol in rats10 using doses in rats equivalent to 20mg/kg/day and 76mg/kg/day in humans which is 125 and 475 times higher than the maximum dose delivered through Clenil Modulite. Additionally, the ACGIH (1996) has reported that bio-kinetic studies indicate that a 70kg adult should be able to metabolise and excrete over two grams of glycerol per eight hour work day.11 It is on this basis that the present threshold limit (TLV) for inhaled glycerol is set for that of respirable nuisance particulates.11 The doses used in the 13 week study were 16.5 and 61 times the TLV. Based upon the results of the 13 week inhalation toxicology results, the use of up to 1mg/puff of glycerol in Clenil Modulite is not considered to pose a risk to patients as stated in the Clenil Modulite SPC.
Hope this helps.
Ok, so I'm totally new to DIY - and trying to get a grip on it all.
So from what I read here, PG has oil in it? Which is bad?
And VG gums up atomizers but isnt as bad for you?
...I know it's lame, but why does one need PG, glycerine, or VG?
I have yet to see what they do....
Would this make sense to anyone for reducing glyerine/pg/or vg?
Buying something like a premade eliquid bottle from one of the suppliers, for example, apple or cherry or something, how about a 15 ml bottle. Ready to go. Then adding 15 MORE ML of bickman or lorannes flavoring and maybe a little water? Does that make sense at all or am I about to entirely waste eliquid? I know it could cut the nicotine in half, but that's fine for me......or am I missing some crucial point here? I keep reading recipies that assume I know what they are talking about!
Can ANYONE please help! Please! I'm so lost!!!!
Thanks much!
So from what I read here, PG has oil in it? Which is bad?
And VG gums up atomizers but isnt as bad for you?
...I know it's lame, but why does one need PG, glycerine, or VG?
I have yet to see what they do....
Would this make sense to anyone for reducing glyerine/pg/or vg?
Buying something like a premade eliquid bottle from one of the suppliers, for example, apple or cherry or something, how about a 15 ml bottle. Ready to go. Then adding 15 MORE ML of bickman or lorannes flavoring and maybe a little water? Does that make sense at all or am I about to entirely waste eliquid? I know it could cut the nicotine in half, but that's fine for me......or am I missing some crucial point here? I keep reading recipies that assume I know what they are talking about!
Can ANYONE please help! Please! I'm so lost!!!!
Thanks much!
15 more ml of Lorann wouldn`t be vapeable in my opinion, would be SUPER strong flavour.
Normally you cut a liquid with PG or VG and then if you want add a little more flavour to it.
I have never heard that PG has oil in it. I use it all the time and haven`t had any problems personally.
Kleerp, if you wanted to add a few drops of loranns to give your nic juice a little more flavor, that should be okay.
However, if you have a high nic juice that you want to cut to lower, then you add a certain amount of PG (propylene glycol) or VG (glycerine) or both to the nic juice. Then you can add some loranns in to give it a little more flavor because when you cut it like that, it does diminish the flavor.
I don't know where you are (should add your location) but you can buy a gallon of PG at a tractor supply store for around $20.
You can buy glycerine at Michael's craft store in the candy making aisle...or a thicker version called Humco at Walmart....near the bandaids.
You can also buy these online but the ones I mention above are ones I have actually used with no problems.
Many people here buy 36mg nicotine so they can mix it with the PG or VG to bring it down to the level of nicotine they want. It stretches the juice out so saves money. So rather than buy say 2 18mg nic juice, they buy 1 36mg bottle and cut it in half. See what I'm saying?
Try reading this thread. It might help. Good luck with it!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...k-got-some-glycerin-now-what-4.html#post99514
Lu
However, if you have a high nic juice that you want to cut to lower, then you add a certain amount of PG (propylene glycol) or VG (glycerine) or both to the nic juice. Then you can add some loranns in to give it a little more flavor because when you cut it like that, it does diminish the flavor.
I don't know where you are (should add your location) but you can buy a gallon of PG at a tractor supply store for around $20.
You can buy glycerine at Michael's craft store in the candy making aisle...or a thicker version called Humco at Walmart....near the bandaids.
You can also buy these online but the ones I mention above are ones I have actually used with no problems.
Many people here buy 36mg nicotine so they can mix it with the PG or VG to bring it down to the level of nicotine they want. It stretches the juice out so saves money. So rather than buy say 2 18mg nic juice, they buy 1 36mg bottle and cut it in half. See what I'm saying?
Try reading this thread. It might help. Good luck with it!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...k-got-some-glycerin-now-what-4.html#post99514
Lu
The glycerin at walmart that I have seen is NOT vegetable based. I bought mine at a health food store and you can order it on the net. But as far as I know walmart's glycerin is not vegetable based unless they have added to their supply of glycerin.
There is a company called Now Foods (they also make supplements) and they make 2 sizes of pure food grade vegetable glycerine. Most health food/vitamin stores who carry the Now brand should either have it in stock or be able to order it for you.
For Americans (Maybe abroad as well, not sure with the conversions or if they even ship intl.) NOW Foods Vegetable Glycerine 16oz 100% Pure - NOW Foods Brand Supplements for $10.64 (Total AFTER shipping!!!) I ordered Friday and got today. (Monday) Very pleased, can't wait to start vaping!
I just got some NOW glycerine (from netrition.com) and it came in a purple plastic bottle. The pic on the site was of a clear bottle, so I'm hoping they just changed packaging? Or did I buy the wrong thing?
Says 100% pure, all vegetable derived, safe for internal use--but says cleans, softens and moisturizes your skin? The clear bottle I thought I ordered (the same in Windoze's link) didn't say that. 100% VG is 100% VG, right?
Says 100% pure, all vegetable derived, safe for internal use--but says cleans, softens and moisturizes your skin? The clear bottle I thought I ordered (the same in Windoze's link) didn't say that. 100% VG is 100% VG, right?
Mine's in a purple bottle as well, but the liquid inside is clear. Since we ordered from different locations, I'm guessing it's a packaging change from the manufacturer.
Thanks Windoze! I was hoping you'd say that. Just feels weird to be vaping hand lotion!
No problem, just keep in mind, my e-cigs haven't arrived yet. (Everything else has.....) I haven't been able to vape yet and I'm getting antsy. I'm broke! Having to buy smokes every day is killing me! I usually buy by the carton, but I figured they'd come this week, so we only got one. Now it's gone and I'm being nickle and dimed to death buying single or 3 pack specials...
Oh well... I'm a smart-... by nature and I love when people exclaim: "I can't wait!" When I then inform them that they CAN wait, and that they WILL wait! Hehe, biting me in the ... right now, cause I CAN'T WAIT!!
Oh well... I'm a smart-... by nature and I love when people exclaim: "I can't wait!" When I then inform them that they CAN wait, and that they WILL wait! Hehe, biting me in the ... right now, cause I CAN'T WAIT!!
Hang in there with your wait! I went through that in February. Still haven't been able to kick the analogs though, hope you have better luck in that dept.
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