GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 3

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What voltage are you running the Provari set at? If you are looking for a similar vape, that info will better help us get you there. ;)

Yeah, sorry, that would help. Run my Provari at 3.8 - 4.0v with a 1.5 ohm coil. Really liked my last Paps, was a big mistake selling it. Looking forward to this one. I see a Heron in my future as well.
 

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I like to do bowls when I get some thick blocks of wood in as well.

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African Mahogany

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Bocote

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American Walnut with some fun grain going on in the bottom. This one is actually a food-safe salad bowl.

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And my personal pen made from Cocobolo (my favorite) fresh off the lathe. Sawdust is no extra charge ;) It was on my hands from being in the shop & I didn't wipe it off well enough before taking some photos. Oops! :)

I enjoy fine woodworking, traditional joinery (handcut dovetails :wub:) & turning, but my passion in life is zymurgy - the science of yeast & bacterial fermentation. I love brewing beer, baking bread & making cheeses. The new gig is in a small artisan bakery, where I'm in charge of all the breads 4 days a week. Pan loaves, baguettes, focaccias, hand-tied bagels, rolls & buns. There's 2 of us baking there, but never at the same time. It's in a small village/resort town on a mountain at the base of a ski area. I supply the restaurant up front, several other restaurants in the area & the local grocery store. It's hard work, but it's so fun & rewarding.

OMG your work is sick!!!! have you thought about making wooden drip tips?
I am addicted to drip tips!!!
 

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Yeah, sorry, that would help. Run my Provari at 3.8 - 4.0v with a 1.5 ohm coil. Really liked my last Paps, was a big mistake selling it. Looking forward to this one. I see a Heron in my future as well.

Since you are running the Provari at basically battery voltage, then I would think you should be happy keeping the same 1.4-1.5 ohm coil. :)
 

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I like to do bowls when I get some thick blocks of wood in as well.

1417-2.jpg


African Mahogany

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Bocote

DSC00155.jpg


American Walnut with some fun grain going on in the bottom. This one is actually a food-safe salad bowl.

IMG-20131006-00298.jpg


And my personal pen made from Cocobolo (my favorite) fresh off the lathe. Sawdust is no extra charge ;) It was on my hands from being in the shop & I didn't wipe it off well enough before taking some photos. Oops! :)

I enjoy fine woodworking, traditional joinery (handcut dovetails :wub:) & turning, but my passion in life is zymurgy - the science of yeast & bacterial fermentation. I love brewing beer, baking bread & making cheeses. The new gig is in a small artisan bakery, where I'm in charge of all the breads 4 days a week. Pan loaves, baguettes, focaccias, hand-tied bagels, rolls & buns. There's 2 of us baking there, but never at the same time. It's in a small village/resort town on a mountain at the base of a ski area. I supply the restaurant up front, several other restaurants in the area & the local grocery store. It's hard work, but it's so fun & rewarding.

Have you had a chance to see what Peter is doing in wood? I'm thinking you two are brothers from a different Mother... lol. Check it out if you've not seen it. Here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modder-accessories-supplier-forum/587492-im-thinkin-maybe-we-should-try-again-you-kids-should-behave-yourselves.html
 

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OMG your work is sick!!!! have you thought about making wooden drip tips?
I am addicted to drip tips!!!

Thank you very much. I looked into drip tips at one point & I had many, many requests. Unfortunately many exotic woods are toxic, contain toxic compounds and/or can cause allergic reactions in certain individuals. Since most people aren't in contact with these woods, many could have an allergy to one & not even know it. I've just never felt comfortable potentially putting someone else at risk, however great or small that risk might be, just for a pretty drip tip. The effect of the vapor running across those woods isn't studied or documented, so that's another thing I'm concerned with. Some woods with some people might be completely fine, I just don't want someone to get ill or have a reaction & be responsible for it. Legalities aside, I'd feel terrible. So I've chosen to not make any of them, for myself or others.

It's the same with my bowls. I only make one kind of bowl that I consider food-safe (the walnut bowl pictured right before the pen). I have a custom finishing process I use on my work, but the bowls I label as food-safe get a different process entirely. All the other bowls come with the disclaimer "for decorative purposes only". The walnut bowls do make fantastic salad bowls though.

Sorry :(
 

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Can you point me to the Highbrow thread?

Highbrow Vapor has been around for a long time and has had a thread here on ECF for quite a while with a very strong following. Their juices are top notch. They make many of their own extracts and began doing so way before others started doing that. The prices are great and the customer service is fantastic. Their English malted toffee is phenomenal as well. So are many of the others.
 

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I like to do bowls when I get some thick blocks of wood in as well.

1417-2.jpg


African Mahogany

DSC00154.jpg


Bocote

DSC00155.jpg


American Walnut with some fun grain going on in the bottom. This one is actually a food-safe salad bowl.

IMG-20131006-00298.jpg


And my personal pen made from Cocobolo (my favorite) fresh off the lathe. Sawdust is no extra charge ;) It was on my hands from being in the shop & I didn't wipe it off well enough before taking some photos. Oops! :)

I enjoy fine woodworking, traditional joinery (handcut dovetails :wub:) & turning, but my passion in life is zymurgy - the science of yeast & bacterial fermentation. I love brewing beer, baking bread & making cheeses. The new gig is in a small artisan bakery, where I'm in charge of all the breads 4 days a week. Pan loaves, baguettes, focaccias, hand-tied bagels, rolls & buns. There's 2 of us baking there, but never at the same time. It's in a small village/resort town on a mountain at the base of a ski area. I supply the restaurant up front, several other restaurants in the area & the local grocery store. It's hard work, but it's so fun & rewarding.

Awesome works, a true artisan! Are you making sourdough bread with naturally fermented cultures in different temperatures? I love it! Zymurgy is the Art of Creation on Earth, I envy you :)
 

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Awesome works, a true artisan! Are you making sourdough bread with naturally fermented cultures in different temperatures? I love it! Zymurgy is the Art of Creation on Earth, I envy you :)

We have a 20ish year old sourdough culture going at the bakery, but honestly I prefer the less-American style levain (even though I do enjoy an American sourdough from time to time). It's the same idea - a continually maintained & constantly fermenting culture of wild yeasts & bacterias, but many traditional bakers will tell you that if your "sourdough" is actually sour, you're doing it wrong. I have a personal culture going that's only about 6 years old, but it's been cared for very well. It's rich & complex, not sour at all. I've run it through my small lab & was able to isolate 3 types of yeast & 2 general types of bacteria active in it. There may be some more going on that's beyond the scope of my personal equipment though. I just have an optical microscope (40-2000x.. plenty more power than needed for yeast/bacteria), a collection of stains & a hemocytometer. I use it more for brewing, but other microbiological things pique my interest from time to time.

We also do traditional French breads & Ciabatta, both from pre-ferments. Not quite a levain or "sourdough", but a shorter, non-continuous fermentation. I love that sort of rustic style baking. You just can't get those flavors or complexity without doing a poolish/biga.

I'm all self taught, just from passion. I've been baking artisan breads at home for several years now, but this is my first gig as a "real" baker. My boss & coworkers are certainly more impressed with how fast I've picked up on it than I am. My breads are looking great... but not perfect. I'm getting closer day by day. I won't be happy until I am consistently pulling bread out of the oven that you can't help but to stop momentarily to admire it's beauty before consuming it. Luckily our customers love our work so it gives me a lot of chances to keep trying to make that perfect loaf.
 

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We have a 20ish year old sourdough culture going at the bakery, but honestly I prefer the less-American style levain (even though I do enjoy an American sourdough from time to time). It's the same idea - a continually maintained & constantly fermenting culture of wild yeasts & bacterias, but many traditional bakers will tell you that if your "sourdough" is actually sour, you're doing it wrong. I have a personal culture going that's only about 6 years old, but it's been cared for very well. It's rich & complex, not sour at all. I've run it through my small lab & was able to isolate 3 types of yeast & 2 general types of bacteria active in it. There may be some more going on that's beyond the scope of my personal equipment though. I just have an optical microscope (40-2000x.. plenty more power than needed for yeast/bacteria), a collection of stains & a hemocytometer. I use it more for brewing, but other microbiological things pique my interest from time to time.

We also do traditional French breads & Ciabatta, both from pre-ferments. Not quite a levain or "sourdough", but a shorter, non-continuous fermentation. I love that sort of rustic style baking. You just can't get those flavors or complexity without doing a poolish/biga.

I'm all self taught, just from passion. I've been baking artisan breads at home for several years now, but this is my first gig as a "real" baker. My boss & coworkers are certainly more impressed with how fast I've picked up on it than I am. My breads are looking great... but not perfect. I'm getting closer day by day. I won't be happy until I am consistently pulling bread out of the oven that you can't help but to stop momentarily to admire it's beauty before consuming it. Luckily our customers love our work so it gives me a lot of chances to keep trying to make that perfect loaf.

Do you know where to get sourdough starter or a fairly simple explanation of how to do it? I love a good sourdough, but as you say some "do it wrong" because a few of them have been fairly sour... and not in a good way. :)

Thanks!
 

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We have a 20ish year old sourdough culture going at the bakery, but honestly I prefer the less-American style levain (even though I do enjoy an American sourdough from time to time). It's the same idea - a continually maintained & constantly fermenting culture of wild yeasts & bacterias, but many traditional bakers will tell you that if your "sourdough" is actually sour, you're doing it wrong. I have a personal culture going that's only about 6 years old, but it's been cared for very well. It's rich & complex, not sour at all. I've run it through my small lab & was able to isolate 3 types of yeast & 2 general types of bacteria active in it. There may be some more going on that's beyond the scope of my personal equipment though. I just have an optical microscope (40-2000x.. plenty more power than needed for yeast/bacteria), a collection of stains & a hemocytometer. I use it more for brewing, but other microbiological things pique my interest from time to time.

We also do traditional French breads & Ciabatta, both from pre-ferments. Not quite a levain or "sourdough", but a shorter, non-continuous fermentation. I love that sort of rustic style baking. You just can't get those flavors or complexity without doing a poolish/biga.

I'm all self taught, just from passion. I've been baking artisan breads at home for several years now, but this is my first gig as a "real" baker. My boss & coworkers are certainly more impressed with how fast I've picked up on it than I am. My breads are looking great... but not perfect. I'm getting closer day by day. I won't be happy until I am consistently pulling bread out of the oven that you can't help but to stop momentarily to admire it's beauty before consuming it. Luckily our customers love our work so it gives me a lot of chances to keep trying to make that perfect loaf.

Much respect to you sir!! You're right, the perfect loaf is an everlasting mission and a good culture must not be sour at all. The complexity of the culture is the real mystery. I have experimented with 2 years old sourdough cultures mixed with Kombucha fermented tea in very tiny percentages with good results so far with fresh milled dinkel flour.

Do you know where to get sourdough starter or a fairly simple explanation of how to do it? I love a good sourdough, but as you say some "do it wrong" because a few of them have been fairly sour... and not in a good way. :)

Thanks!

For starters: http://www.sourdo.com/book/
http://www.sourdo.com/our-sourdough-cultures-2/
http://sourdough.com/blog/sourdom/beginners-blog-starter-scratch

I am sure Ozwald will provide you with way better sources.
 
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Dude, the TiX is too awesome of a mod to sit on the shelf collecting dust! I don't ever leave the house without it. It has become my main mod and then I carry a Paps v2.5 as a backup.
E'ff all that worrying about a slight scratch or blemish. Mine is scratched but so what, it's a damned fine tool that serves me extremely well and has the character marks to prove it. The switch has been broken in quite well and works like a dream now.
...and NO, I will not be sending it back to be polished... I'm not sure I could live without it for that long and what's the use, it'll just get scratched up again anyways.
I'm hard on my stuff and the GP gear holds up really well.

My TiX has still not been vaped, I've never even had a topper on it or a battery in it. I have four other X's that are my work horse PAPS.

FWIW the new service that Perseas has set up for warranty work has a really fast turnaround... so it's quite painless having a mod out of hand for such a short time period.
 

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Wow man, that's amazing! Honestly I never leave home without my TiX! It's just that freakin good!
The SS and Lux just feel so heavy after the Ti. I'll use them once in awhile but for now they're cleaned and tucked away into a VA double pouch.
Maybe one day I'll send the TiX in but as I said, it'll just get scratched up again.
The only mod I have that I really care about being in pristine condition is my Lux 2.5 #0082 with all it's golden goodies in tact. To me, that is my collector's item and the one that never leaves the house and is stored in a micro fiber bag, only brought out to admire it.

Once the threads on the Ti got worked in I haven't had one single problem with it. I clean it once in awhile but it gets used heavily.

I f**ing love my TiX!!
...if anyone wants to trade their Ti for an SS and Lux X leme know :D
 

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Do you know where to get sourdough starter or a fairly simple explanation of how to do it? I love a good sourdough, but as you say some "do it wrong" because a few of them have been fairly sour... and not in a good way. :)

Thanks!

Personally I would never buy a starter. They seem like kind of a rip-off for what you get. Every region has it's own native 'bugs' (wild yeasts/bacteria) so each is going to have it's own flavor signature. Even if I bought some of that infamous San Francisco starter, it's going to change over time with the bugs native to here anyways, as they find their own symbiotic balance.

The first place people tend to go wrong is with the ingredients. Many will tell you to add a sugar source to get it going - table sugar, honey, dry malt extract, etc. Don't add any of that. There are many types of sugars out there that can be categorized by their molecular structure. Glucose is a monosaccharide (note mono-, 1) Sucrose is a disaccharide (note di-, 2), the list goes up and up and up. Think of a monosaccharide as O-O-O & a disaccharide as O-O-O-O-O. The carbohydrates found in wheat flours are much more complex than a chain of 1 or 2, think O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O, etc. Why does this matter? The 'bugs' are only eating from the ends of these chains. Something that can handle a short chain such as a monosaccharide is essentially going to eat one of the O's of each end of that long chain & poop out. Short version: adding simple sugars into your culture may attract some more 'bugs', but they're not going to be useful to your culture in any way & could upset the balance between the bugs you want in there. Ingredients you need: flour. water. Period.

The next place to go wrong are the conditions. Each bug has it's own happy place. You need to find the correct balance of a number of variables - temperature, pH, consistancy, etc. all play a part. In general bacterias & funky yeasts like warm (30-40C). Your more tame yeasts are going to like it a little cooler (20C). The pH needs to be low, but not too low. The natural activity of the bugs will lower the pH & you shouldn't have to do anything, however a pH reading that's quite off (< 4.0 or > 5.4) is an indicator that your culture is out of balance. Consistency can be explained by kids in a pool. There are a set number of bugs in your culture. If your mixture is thin, they're more spread out, thick, they're squished together. So we have a set number of kids, let's say 10. There's a set amount of food for the bugs... or beachballs for our kids. Now if those 10 kids each want a beachball, it's going to be very tough for them to each get one if we have a pool the size of an ocean. They all won't get to play (the bugs starve). Same goes if we put them in a backyard kiddiepool, only now they're so squished together they're going to be fighting over the closest ball & other balls are going to be ignored. They all won't get to play.

Sorry for getting into a little science, but I find if people have a basic understanding of the 'why', the 'what' becomes easier & they become more successful at it. Cultures are like kids. Each one might need to be treated a little different to ensure success. Knowing why these individual things matter will help you catch issues before they ruin your culture & also help you make adjustments as you go.

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Start with 250mL each of flour & water. Use a regular grade baking flour, not a high protein or high gluten flour. Keep your water at about 25C. Mix it together fairly well - it doesn't have to be perfectly smooth, but everything needs to get wet... a few lumps aren't going to hurt anything. We want to keep it small, because we don't have many kids in the pool yet. Keep it warm, but not too warm. Throw a towel over the top of it for the first few days, but then you can start to put a normal sealing lid on it.

For the first week to 2 weeks, twice per day, mix 125-150mL water/flour & add in half of your existing culture. Throw the rest of the existing culture away. You can slowly work at getting the mixture a little more smooth as you go. Don't be overly concerned with the taste at this point, but I'd still give it a taste every day to help you understand what's going on in there.

For the next few weeks continue to feed it twice a day, throwing some of it away each time, but increase the amounts you're using slightly each day to build a bigger culture. For a typical at home culture, you want your volume to be 750mL to 1L when all is said and done. Get it up there slowly. Keep the amounts of flour/water roughly equal, but you may have to add a touch more of one or the other to keep the consistency in check. It should be thick, but still pour easily. Make sure the water is roughly the same temperature as the starter. Drastic, quick changes can shock the bugs.

At a month or so, you should be able to using it with some level of success. Keep in mind, it's still young at this point & out of balance. But the bugs you want are in there, eating well & happy. It will probably still be rather tart at this point as well. It will balance out with time & care. I still like to feed mine twice a day to keep the activity up, but you can scale it down to once per day. The first month or two is the most critical with a culture. I certainly wouldn't skip a day with them in that fragile stage. After they've matured for a while, you can stick them in the fridge to slow down the activity, but the younger they are, the harder it is on them.


A basic recipe to use it in:

120mL starter
190mL water
400g flour

You may need to make some adjustments to the individual amounts, but that will put you in the right ball park. After you mix together your starter, water & flour for a few minutes to make a ball, allow it to relax for 10 minutes. Add in 1.5 teaspoons (7.5mL) of salt & mix further for another 5-6 minutes. Allow it to proof before shaping & baking.

And most importantly... don't forget to name it. Many look past this crucial step. Always name your culture. My culture at home is Gertrude. The culture at the bakery is Vincent, but I like to call him Vinnie.

P.S. Any microbiologists/chemists out there, I'm aware there are nits to be picked in my explanation of the science side, but in order to not get too technical I left out/generalised information that I wouldn't consider necessary or useful to a non-scientist trying to be successful in this particular activity.
 
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Good Evening Family,

So while I'm sitting here playing with my Heron I thought I would ask a question of all of you.

From the time I joined this family and purchased my Spheroid, I seem to be drawn continuously to the GP SnP. I know what they are and they are beautiful as all GP equipment is but I've never tried a carto tank setup.

Could some of those whom have used them explain pros and cons? Do they work well on a Paps mech? Throw away cartos or something like a Diver?

If they are from GP I am not worried about quality, as I said I've never tried a setup of this type.

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