GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 3

[Idaholandho]

I could not see why anyone would try without fluff as to me this was the biggest selling point.

The topper was added to the design, I believe, to help stabilise cotton wick. I could be wrong, but it certainly serves well for this purpose.

Apologies to all if these posts should be in the Heron thread

Oops! Me too. I just saw the mention of fluff earlier and thought I'd ask.

No apologies needed, this thread tends to catch all topics occasionally .
Just keep in mind, any talk, photos or recommendations of strippers or strip clubs should remain in the GP Stripper thread.

 

[Cucco]

No apologies needed, this thread tends to catch all topics occasionally .
Just keep in mind, any talk, photos or recommendations of strippers or strip clubs should remain in the GP Stripper thread.

Did somebody say... Where?

You made us a thread, and didn't tell me? Some friend you are!

 

[nisam]

btw, I've tried all types of "fluff" with my Spheroid (before the release of the Heron) but, again IMHO, the GP fluff seems to work the best.

... you could try others for yourself but I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

I have used only GP fluff since buying my first Spheroid and noted Vapourart recommended Sera as a replacement. I heard from many folks that Sera does not taste so good and that Jewel poly pads were much better, so I bought a couple of boxes (better to have too much, than run out). I have not used any yet as there is a year or two supply of the GP stuff here, but from comparing the two, would concur that GP fluff looks much nicer

No apologies needed, this thread tends to catch all topics occasionally .
Just keep in mind, any talk, photos or recommendations of strippers or strip clubs should remain in the GP Stripper thread.

Pretty sure it was from the stripper thread that I found may way here. Then again, it may have been something to do with spheroid thread stripping...

 

[cliffy15]

BTW... there is a Tips and Tricks thread that has a lot of useful, "stickied" information.

Since there are some recent fluff discussions I'd like to add some personal observations.

I, too, started my Spheroid and Heron builds with the help of the Internet (and this forum as well). I think starting with (fluff v2) dimensions of 20mm x 40mm for the Spheroid and 17mm x 60mm for the Heron makes for a pretty good base point. Now, I primarily use 50/50 eliquids and those starting dimensions work great with any wick I've used; the fluff isn't too tightly packed as to reduce capacity and it isn't too loose to not hold onto the eliquid and flood the atty.

However, we all know that all liquids aren't the same and I recently got a taste (pun intended) of that recently when all of a sudden my Heron would flood even though I used the same eliquid, and build, for months before.

Unfortunately, it took me awhile to track it down to the fact that my eliquid was thinner - due to added flavor shots which were, presumably, PG-based. An extra 10mm of fluff in the Heron tank and, voila, fixed!

...

Thinner liquids (more PG) need more fluff and more viscous liquids need less fluff. A good general rule of thumb, for me, is to adjust fluff length in 5mm increments for the Spheroid and 10mm increments for the Heron. I use 20mm x 35mm (Spheroid) and 17mm x 50mm (Heron) for thicker (max vg) liquids and 20mm x 45mm (Spheroid) and 17mm x 70mm (Heron) for my thinner liquids ... like the 50/50 liquids that have extra flavor "shots" that I'm guessing to be PG-based.

I'm sure I could tweak it by a few millimeters, each way for each juice, but this generally seems to hold for me.

 

[perseas]

A note... I have watched a few videos on setting up the Heron and saw on the e-cig-review, Scott set his up with a cotton wick versus silica, and in turn did not need to use the fluff. I dare ask this question, BUT is there a "preferred" method for setup? I am only about 1/4 of the way through reading this entire thread so pardon my question if it gets answered the further I read.

I haven't used the fluff in my Heron. Is there a big advantage to using fluff in the Heron or is it more of an added safety level to prevent leaking in case the top cap comes off? I haven't quite reached the point of fluff perfection on the Spheroid yet so I skipped it on the Heron as soon as I saw it was optional.

Fluffless builds have been suggested by reviewers and vapers not by Vapourart. Heron is a 22 mm Spheroid and it is designed to be used with Fluff, filler, Sera, Jewel poly pads, blue foam, etc exactly like Spheroid. Any fluffless build has to be considered experimental. It is written in the description of the product and there is a disclaimer in the tutorial section as well. Use the Heron without filler at your own risk

http://www.vapourart.com/en/product/gp-heron-v15

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ips-tricks-updates-thread-9.html#post12391915

 

[caveat]

I'll plan to fluff next time!

Now, about that stripper thread...?

 

[Cucco]

I'll plan to fluff next time!

Now, about that stripper thread...?

Here is the question of the day..........

How many of us went to look for the thread?

 

[perseas]

I could not see why anyone would try without fluff as to me this was the biggest selling point.

The topper was added to the design, I believe, to help stabilise cotton wick. I could be wrong, but it certainly serves well for this purpose.

Apologies to all if these posts should be in the Heron thread

All reviewers except one missed that point and moreover they confused the cotton build which refers to the coil with the flufless build that refers to the tank system, forgetting that in front of them it was a fat Spheroid not a Kayfun. The obvious is the hardest to be seen. C'est la vie

 

[darksparkle13]

Here is the question of the day..........

How many of us went to look for the thread?

I did ..... you did to I just know it!

 

[darksparkle13]

Building with out fluff? Inconceivable... Lol with the way the fluff works I am not sure I personally would even try it!

Ok got that off my chest, now to go and polish..... Make it look new again! First time wish me luck!

 

[perseas]

BTW... there is a Tips and Tricks thread that has a lot of useful, "stickied" information.

Since there are some recent fluff discussions I'd like to add some personal observations.

I, too, started my Spheroid and Heron builds with the help of the Internet (and this forum as well). I think starting with (fluff v2) dimensions of 20mm x 40mm for the Spheroid and 17mm x 60mm for the Heron makes for a pretty good base point. Now, I primarily use 50/50 eliquids and those starting dimensions work great with any wick I've used; the fluff isn't too tightly packed as to reduce capacity and it isn't too loose to not hold onto the eliquid and flood the atty.

However, we all know that all liquids aren't the same and I recently got a taste (pun intended) of that recently when all of a sudden my Heron would flood even though I used the same eliquid, and build, for months before.

Unfortunately, it took me awhile to track it down to the fact that my eliquid was thinner - due to added flavor shots which were, presumably, PG-based. An extra 10mm of fluff in the Heron tank and, voila, fixed!

...

Thinner liquids (more PG) need more fluff and more viscous liquids need less fluff. A good general rule of thumb, for me, is to adjust fluff length in 5mm increments for the Spheroid and 10mm increments for the Heron. I use 20mm x 35mm (Spheroid) and 17mm x 50mm (Heron) for thicker (max vg) liquids and 20mm x 45mm (Spheroid) and 17mm x 70mm (Heron) for my thinner liquids ... like the 50/50 liquids that have extra flavor "shots" that I'm guessing to be PG-based.

I'm sure I could tweak it by a few millimeters, each way for each juice, but this generally seems to hold for me.

Thank you, I updated your previous pictorial with the above info

 

[Jerry J]

Going fluffless is like walking around without underpants. Wait, I do that all the time.... so I guess it's like leaning on a lamp post when there isn't one there?

Have I told anyone just how much I love my Spheroid...or my X?

 

[perseas]

To be fair, the flufless builds work very well once you master them, but till then, you have covered with liquids your pants, your desk, your case, everything. The main reason is the flow, it is designed to work with fluff from the beginning. I have posted about it in the past. The bell, the topper and the tube have to be designed differently for a working tank system to counterbalance the internal and the external pressure. And a threaded tube is a necessity. Even then, some leakage is expected to happen due to changes of the external pressure.

 

[mssam]

So how do you all know or determine when to change your fluff or as I just learned, wash it out (thx JP!) besides when you change liquids?

 

[cliffy15]

So... the universe is not without a sense of humor. Just a few minutes after making that post, I refilled my tank and headed off to grab some grub. What I filled with was a juice that I'm trying to "burn up" as I had put in too much flavor and found out that a triple shot is not always better than a double shot. A short walk later I pulled the Heron out to vape only to find out that I had thoroughly flooded it. The even thinner juice needed even more fluff (I'll just fill with less for now).

Luckily the Heron is pretty easy to clear by blowing out the excess through the AFC...

... BLOW IT OUT YOUR AFC! :LOL:

Now on to the strippers ...

 

[mssam]

Yeah, flooding...ugh. However, nothing is worse than being out and about like cliffy15 and not having a GP fork to really sop up the over flow of eliquid and wipe off the contacts...got to always have a fork close at hand

 

[sedge]

I may try marshmallow fluff in my Heron before trying fluffless again.

 

[yankeebobo]

Oh holy crap.

Ok. Time for Yankee Summary:

No fluff is like going with no underpants. Definitely use fluff. Or don't go out in public or you may look like you did forget the underpants.

Still on fluff: GP fluff kicks .... Sure you could try the aquarium fluff, just don't be surprised if you find other aquatics in there.

Paps X: best choice hands down. I love my Paps but the X is something in a class its own.

Holiday: Perseas doing a good job keeping up even on holiday.

IdaWho: still seen walking the dog at 2am ....NAKED.

Strippers: I've had it with the stripper topic. I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to find out who in their right mind would open a thread up for this topic. Jokes on me. NO THREAD. So guess what, I DID open a stripper thread. It can be found here:
http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/...F-7B1C-404E-8ED9-623D640BF6FF_zpsdbjt4okr.jpg
Have a tomato, a vape, a drink and smile everyone. You're in GP land where the only drama is trying to figure out why some of us are GVCaholics.

 

[Cucco]

I may try marshmallow fluff in my Heron before trying fluffless again.

I love marshmallow fluff! The cats and I, have fun playing with and eating it. That, and whipped cream. We make a mess. But, it's all good!

 

[VapinBill]

Sorry, I could not help it: