GP Series by VapourArt - Official Thread for GP Spheroid, GP PAPS, X, GP Piccolo, GP SnP and more - Part 3

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btw, I've dropped back down to 120mm of fluff. But this time I deliberately made a wick that I thought was too big. After rolling the wick, I pulled it through the coil with a bit of resistance to it. It seems to be working fine for now. No flooding, yet, but reduced taste and doesn't wick quickly enough for my tastes. If this stops my flooding (could have been over wicking previously) I'll start using a bit less wick from there.

It's been two hours and so far, so good... *crossing fingers*

thought I'd update for the new Heron users using a fluff build (assuming there are some out there)

edit: ugh... after posting this I went for a walk to get a cup of coffee with the Heron in my pocket. Yup, liquid all over my mod and pants. back to the drawing board *sigh*
 
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We're around. And appreciate the fluff pointers. The chimney part in talking about is the unscrewing. That's where I hit some problems
I think lubing the orings after install will probably help prevent over tightening I think is happening when I spin the logos to align them. The. It won't be an issue

Thanks all. But rough the last 24 hours but I did do one more 26 gauge build and ran into similar issues. Though not as bad with the flavor. Again the build wasn't getting nearly as warm. So definitely increase in heat = increase in flavor contamination.

So knowing that. What would heat up in a heron v2 that could emit a foul odor or taste if it's not the coil or wick ?
 
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A technical clarification again, because I read for second time notions that maybe we had a batch of inferior steel and this is something that I will not let it pass EVER. We don't cut corners in quality and we like to call things with their real name. In our job we don't play with possibilities regarding materials and suppliers and we triple check everything, even the authenticity of a MSDS. If something is made from a plain material, we won't hide it. For example all our post screws are SS but they are plain Philips screws. Our GPin springs are designed by us and custom made in Athens by 302 SS hardened for stiffness. The spare ribbon wire we provided with the Spheroid until recently was made in UK. The switch springs are custom made and they are from high quality brass as the contacts. The black insulators of the PAPS switch and of the GPin are food grade plastic, made in Germany. The insulation of the posts is made from PEEK type II, reinforced with glass fibres, manufactured in Germany and we were the first we used it in the vape industry since 2012.

We use rods of European certified 316 SS, for which our importer provides all the certificates and this means that our SS has been made in Europe solely and the grade was measured at the place of manufacturing, in Germany, Spain or Italy under very strict procedures. I say that, because the steel importers in Eastern Europe due to recession, brought alloys from India originated from recycled reactors, called whatever grade you like and of course these rods are radioactive. An article with a polished finish can hide its grade, but a brushed finish will reveal it due to higher percentage of nickel. A mod from these alloys was found 2 years ago and reported on a European forum as radioactive. A year before this incident, we were already checking every rod for radiation, we still do it as it can be seen on our Vapourart video, although we have proofs of European manufacturing for our steel. Our O-rings are imported directly from Viton, from France to Athens, no middlemen.

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I will continue with an off topic discussion about a global fraud.

In order the exports of China to remain unaffected by the contamination issue created from the Fukushima reactors, false meteorological wind maps for China, Japan and Pacific ocean were published since 2011, a transatlantic silent consensus. Moreover, American EPA and the European Union EC decided to change their radiation safety standards at the same time (2011), which of course is a "coincidence". The new standards result in a nearly 1000-fold increase for exposure to strontium-90, a 3000 to 100,000-fold hike for exposure to iodine-131; and an almost 25,000 rise for exposure to radioactive nickel-63 in drinking water.

Food for thought:

1. It is known in geophysics that the air currents directions match statistically with the water streams.

2: From the Southern Japan start two hot water streams with direction towards north. One travels through the Japanese sea between Japan and the Korean peninsula and other one passes at the east of Japan, the Kuroshio current.

3. At the height of the north Japanese Island of Hokkaido, these two hot tidal flows turn east, constituting the warm stream of the north Pacific ocean, which moves to east along with the 40th parallel and when it arrives in the American continent, it opens like a fan with the half current to turn north tangent to the coasts of Canada and the north US and the other half current tangent to the southern US coasts and Mexico.

4. But the southern section of the hot stream (of the north Pacific ocean), about 1000 kilometres east of Hokkaido, detaches from the mainstream of the 40th parallel, turns south and after passing over the northwestern underwater basin of the Pacific ocean, turns west to the Mariannes Islands and south and north of Philippines and through the isles of Indonesia finally contacts the sea of south China, i.e. the coasts of Indochina and of south China with Hong Kong, Taiwan and the Yellow Sea, i.e. the coasts of northern China and the Korean peninsula.

5. Statistically speaking, the corresponding aerial streams follow the same paths which have identical course with the stream of Kuroshio and the hot stream of the north Pacific ocean at the 40th parallel.

6. Therefore, the southern section of these winds points south and back, i.e. again towards west and inbound to the soils of China, Indochina, Philippines, Indonesia and Korean peninsula. The ill-fated Fukushima reactors have already contaminated with huge amounts of radiation the inland of China, Indochina, Korean peninsula, Indonesia, Macao, Taiwan and Philippines.

7. This is the reason for which the Chinese government and the governments of Taiwan and South Korea have suggested many times to their people since 2011, to consume much sea salt in order to have adequate supplies of non-radioactive iodine in their thyroid, so the radioactive one won't be stored.

Why they increased the safety radiation levels and why they falsified the wind maps? In my opinion, they expect more cancers due to radiation and they don’t want us to hold them responsible, while at the same time, they'll continue to sell myriads of contaminated products, even baby food without any problem. EU ordinance 297/2011 raises the Maximum Levels of radiation and radioactive isotopes for food and feed to rather serious levels. In some cases, such as the case of Cesium-134 and Cesium-137, the levels are actually twice the amount of previously acceptable levels. Many of these increases are allowed in products such as infant formula and baby foods. Foods forbidden to be consumed in Japan due to their high radiation level, are considered safe in US and EU ...
 

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A technical clarification again, because I read for second time notions that maybe we had a batch of inferior steel and this is something that I will not let it pass EVER.

I was clarifying why I'd initially thought prior to ever communicating with you or anyone else that could be an issue . I stated in my post that you'd said that wasn't a possibility but I was telling @qorax that the initial thought "abc". After you said it want a possibility I accept that and have reiterated it a few times now. Qorax was wondering why I would change things like rings and screws and I was just explaining that since I was out of ideas - what my initial thought was.

It seems like no matter the context being past or what I'm explaining he more I try and explain what I've tested and why I'm upsetting people and that's not my intention. It's also not
Getting me anywhere but frustrated that every time I post it's being taken that I'm saying bad things. So I'll end my posts here wih the following statement

I fully believe that GP adheres to the highest standard of steel and appreciate their level of material and workmanship. Any mention of sub standard materials was in question to ancillary parts as was a discussion in an attempt to find he source of whatever is tainting flavor. It was not a statement of fact or even supposition merely a step in a process of Trouble shooting. In no way ay did I mean to question at any point that GP uses the highest quality materials or in any way cuts corners.

I'll head out now and continue to Try and figure this out until such time as I've exhausted my options and or I can send it in to
You. Clearly further discussion on the topic may lead to misinterpretations or Misunderstandings and I would hate for anyone of Your future or last customers to draw any negative Impressions. I'll also go back To the posts if possible , even though they're phrased ,in my opinion, pretty clearly that it was only a what if situation and remove any reference to avoid any confusion if someone reads back.

Im really sorry this seems to have gone very foot in mouth despite my intentions. I do understand why you'd be sensitive if someone was suggesting you used sub par materials by at no time did I suggest that. I was simply going through a list of all things possible (including .0000000001%) in the world that could be causing the issue. If I did somehow suggest that I deeply apologize.

I'll be removing my posts now in the off chance that was
 
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I was clarifying why I'd initially thought prior to ever communicating with you or anyone else that could be an issue . I stated in my post that you'd said that wasn't a possibility but I was telling @qorax that the initial thought "abc". After you said it want a possibility I accept that and have reiterated it a few times now. Qorax was wondering why I would change things like rings and screws and I was just explaining that since I was out of ideas - what my initial thought was.

It seems like no matter the context being past or what I'm explaining he more I try and explain what I've tested and why I'm upsetting people and that's not my intention. It's also not
Getting me anywhere but frustrated that every time I post it's being taken that I'm saying bad things. So I'll end my posts here wih the following statement

I fully believe that GP adheres to the highest standard of steel and appreciate their level of material and workmanship. Any mention of sub standard materials was in question to ancillary parts as was a discussion in an attempt to find he source of whatever is tainting flavor. It was not a statement of fact or even supposition merely a step in a process of Trouble shooting. In no way ay did I mean to question at any point that GP uses the highest quality materials or in any way cuts corners.

I'll head out now and continue to Try and figure this out until such time as I've exhausted my options and or I can send it in to
You. Clearly further discussion on the topic may lead to misinterpretations or Misunderstandings and I would hate for anyone of Your future or last customers to draw any negative Impressions. I'll also go back To the posts if possible , even though they're phrased ,in my opinion, pretty clearly that it was only a what if situation and remove any reference to avoid any confusion if someone reads back.

Im really sorry this seems to have gone very foot in mouth despite my intentions. I do understand why you'd be sensitive if someone was suggesting you used sub par materials by at no time did I suggest that. I was simply going through a list of all things possible (including .0000000001%) in the world that could be causing the issue. If I did somehow suggest that I deeply apologize.

I'll be removing my posts now in the off chance that was the case.

No need to remove anything, we are free here to discuss whatever we like. I have the freedom to repeat my statement and you as well. My clarifications are not addressed to you specifically, but mainly to future readers of this thread who may misread a post, if it is not clarified repeatedly. When we discuss about possibilities, this can create rumours not based on facts. I wanted to clear out the facts solely.
I am not offended, feel free to say whatever you think, we don't police here the posts :)
 

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No need to remove anything, we are free here to discuss whatever we like. I have the same choice to repeat my statement as you have too. My clarifications are not addressed to you specifically, but mainly to future readers of this thread who may misread a post, if it is not clarified repeatedly. When we discuss about possibilities, this can create rumours not based on facts. I wanted to clear out the facts solely.
I am not offended, feel free to say whatever you think, we don't police here the posts :)


Ok. When I read the accents it seemed like you were mad. I was really just explai if. The initial thought process to @qorax.

Since you made such a. Detailed post though. Can I address this with you?

If something is made from a plain material, we won't hide it. For example all our post screws are SS but they are plain Philips screws.

Just out of curiosity where do the Philips screws come from because this is the part I was curious about. When you get those do you get them in bulk and how are hey verified as stainless and what grade stainless? I'm sure there's a way and you do it. I'm Just curious how. Man that must be time l consuming.

Anyway Those and the o rings are the only parts I was curious about. The questions I asked had were never about the rods of steel You get or the tanks or mods or switches you make even. It was whether it was at all possible ancillary parts like screws or orings may have slipped thorough that didn't meet your normal standard. You assured me that's not he case. I believe you. Since the steel rods you work Into These wonderful Devices are such high quality I just wondered if it was a minor sourced part creating he issue.

I also discussed if maybe my batteries could be emitting an odor that tainted flavor. Somehow drawing in through the air hole etc. I've asked a lot of questions tying to figure this issue out.

As for the radiation and stuff. I have no idea where that topic came in. Certainly wasn't even a thought in my head. I do appreciate the pride in workmanship And I completely understand why you'd want to reiterate that. I just felt like maybe you had the impression I was out there suggesting otherwise and I'm not. Genuinely I trust your word and expertise on the subject. And truly wish you all the success. Clearly you do some wonderful work.

Fwiw I swapped screws and the penny taste didn't improve. Hard to say if it Maybe even worsened. Any noticed change was probably coincidental.


I'm going to do a stainless steel build. That seems to be the cleanest wire I use flavor wise. Maybe as I said earlier I've used nickel So long it's just the taste of kanthal affecting me. Maybe the device focus flavors in a new way that accents the poor
Flavor of kanthal in a way that makes it more
Obvious than other devices i use
 
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Ok. When I read the accents it seemed like you were mad. I was really just explai if. The initial thought process to @qorax.

Since you made such a. Detailed post though. Can I address this with you?

Of course, English is not my native language and sometimes I seem to come forth somewhat intense, but believe me, I just love precision, nothing more :)

Just out of curiosity where do the Philips screws come from because this is the part I was curious about. When you get those do you get them in bulk and how are hey verified as stainless and what grade stainless? I'm sure there's a way and you do it. I'm Just curious how. Man that must be time l consuming.

It is 3am here, so I haven't access to the office to give you specs of the Philips screws, but usually we use one supplier in Athens and another one in Sofia.

Anyway Those and the o rings are the only parts I was curious about. The questions I asked had were never about the rods of steel You get or the tanks or mods or switches you make even. It was whether it was at all possible ancillary parts like screws or orings may have slipped thorough that didn't meet your normal standard.

I also discussed if maybe my batteries could be emitting an odor that tainted flavor. Somehow drawing in through the air hole etc. I've asked a lot of questions tying to figure this issue out.

As for the radiation and stuff. I have no idea where that topic came in. Certainly wasn't even a thought in my head. I do appreciate the pride in workmanship And I completely understand why you'd want to reiterate that. I just felt like maybe you had the impression I was out there suggesting otherwise and I'm not. Genuinely I trust your word and expertise on the subject. And truly wish you all the success. Clearly you do some wonderful work.

If you were an old poster here, you'd knew that we call this forum Asylum, because we discuss many diverse things, and off topic is the norm :)

Thank you for the kind words, it's really appreciated. We can send you a DHL courier to pick up the hybrid from your place at a convenient time for you. If you agree, send an email at info@vapourart.com with your order number and tomorrow we'll send you an email with instructions.
 

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Of course, English is not my native language and sometimes I seem to come forth somewhat intense, but believe me, I just love precision, nothing more :)



It is 3am here, so I haven't access to the office to give you specs of the Philips screws, but usually we use one supplier in Athens and another one in Sofia.



If you were a frequent poster, you'd knew that we call this forum Asylum, because we discuss many diverse things, and off topic is the norm here :)

Thank you for the kind words, it's really appreciated. We can send you a DHL courier to pick up the hybrid from your place at a convenient time for you. If you agree, send an email at info@vapourart.com with your order number and tomorrow we'll send you an email with instructions.
Oh wow that's top notch support! I also really appreciate that you weren't taking issue with me but just protecting your business interests and enduring there was no confusion. I understand and respect that. I suppose I am just accustomed to being jumped on when "discussions" happen. Heh.

I'll send in a mail n that's really extremely kind of
You and I greatly appreciate your continuing help and very open attitude and responses.


Thank you.


Also. Go to sleep!
 

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Oh wow that's top notch support! I also really appreciate that you weren't taking issue with me but just protecting your business interests and enduring there was no confusion. I understand and respect that. I suppose I am just accustomed to being jumped on when "discussions" happen. Heh.

I'll send in a mail n that's really extremely kind of
You and I greatly appreciate your continuing help and very open attitude and responses.


Thank you.


Also. Go to sleep!

All the posters of this forum have a common attribute: we are OCD with the details and I am happy when I can help. Tomorrow (or the next day due to holidays here), a second DHL courier will send you a replacement HnP which can be in 18650 size if you wish to. If I recall well the Philips screws are M2, 3mm length and 304 SS.
 

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It seems like no matter the context being past or what I'm explaining he more I try and explain what I've tested and why I'm upsetting people and that's not my intention.

FWIW, I don't think that anyone is upset with your posts (at least I'm not). Perseas often likes to clarify things and offer additional information just in case someone later reads the posts out of context (and he included some details on materials and parts that I had never seen before that I really appreciated). As for his radiation comments, I think his first point was in line with the topic of how Vapourart inspects the materials that they get; the rest of the post was noted as being off topic and consistent with the kind of interesting off topic information that he occasionally shares. Very few topics are off limits in the GP forums, so no worries.

I'm not sure if there is a problem with your device or build or if you just have a different or perhaps better sense of taste than the rest of us, but either way I hope that you find a resolution that allows you to enjoy your Heron. I also hope that you have a speedy recovery and that you are able to manage your medical costs.
 

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I clearly wrongly assumed people were getting mad at me. Which was just frustrating me because I try really hard to be clear when discussing possibilities and also to never bring into disrepute businesses doing good stuff for the vaping community.

It's refreshing to see such a great mature attitude in the Internet. Heh.

Also openly. It may well be lack of sleep and medication that caused me to assume I was becoming nearly instantly disliked in this thread :)

Add to that the additional support I've received specific to my situation. Which I couldn't possibly ask or hope for. I have to say. made a customer for life out of this.
 

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All the posters of this forum have a common attribute: we are OCD with the details and I am happy when I can help. Tomorrow (or the next day due to holidays here), a second DHL courier will send you a replacement HnP which can be in 18650 size if you wish to. If I recall well the Philips screws are M2, 3mm length and 304 SS.


Wow. What outstanding support. Thank you so much!!

You've really gone above and beyond even in the discussion let alone the advance replace and willingness to change the size. Clearly my need for surgeries is not your problem at all. And for you to really work things out like his for me is simply Amazing.

I'll send you a mail and tonight I'll clean all the parts and such. Get it all boxed up to come back

Thanks so much. As I edited earlier. You've definitely made a customer for life.
 

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Last update on the fluffed build: so it looks like the Heron v2 is a little less forgiving in terms of it taking a jostling in my pocket while walking. I need to be aware of how I carry it otherwise it will flood and leak out of the AFC.

Turns out that while it is forgiving in terms of setup (coil/wick/fluff build) I've found that having quite a bit more wick helps a lot along with having around 120-130mm of fluff for 50/50 liquids. I currently have both my wick tails pointing up but I will play with only one in the fluff and one on the deck to try and sop up any spillage due to walking. The key, for me, was to add even more wick to make sure I wasn't overwicking (but not enough to choke the flow of liquid). This, on its own, will probably make my fluffless builds go better but I'm going to stick to the fluffy build because, hey, that's the biggest differentiating feature of the GP atties to me.

The fluffed build, to me, seems more efficient with eliquid consumption and is also immune to the tank-type issues I would encounter with altitude changes.

The fluffless build would be better for faster flavor changes but, to be honest, I don't change flavors often enough for this to be an issue. I think I'd rather just have another Heron. =)

This is not the fault of the Heron v2 at all. Rather, I think the raised lip of the air port and the cotton topper on the Heron v1 made it a lot less prone to leakage due to the movement of walking and carrying it around in my pocket. The v1 made up for my build errors... so I just have to learn to better get the build I want with the v2. =)

The Heron v2 is still my go to atty. I think I will try perfecting the fluffled, and topperless, build in my v1s as well. =)
 
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DHL just delivered my Piccolo V4 and the Spheroid V4. I am so excited. At least I didn't pay tax this time. And, they are really a work of art Perseas. Fantastic. Really micro and so cool looking devices. It looks so sterile. Now I have to rewatch all the videos by Qorax to start a build.
 

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DHL just delivered my Piccolo V4 and the Spheroid V4. I am so excited. At least I didn't pay tax this time. And, they are really a work of art Perseas. Fantastic. Really micro and so cool looking devices. It looks so sterile. Now I have to rewatch all the videos by Qorax to start a build.
Congrats once again Richard!
And yes, DHL via VapourArt via Sofia has never accrued me any additional charges, ever :)
 
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