Is that a reusable atomizer? I thought the 220 cartridge/atomizer combos were sealed and disposable, like the 300.
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thanx for the pic, too bad, I was really hoping that it was a liqui only cart. not that I'm at all sure how they would do that, but I really don't trust the polyerster. Then again I don't trust the PG either. Trying to simply e-smoke as little as posible and supplementing it with lots O stonewall. It's not that I ever expect them to make a safe cigarette, but I'd at least like to know what I'm in for.
That's true, but how many companies selling these things have told us this is a "safe alternative" to cigarettes? They don't know that. We don't know that. No one knows that. It's a saleman's lie. Safer? They don't even know that! Who knew the danger of a cigarette when it was introduced, caught on and left pipe smoking and cigar puffing in the dust? Over the years, we learned the full-body price of inhaling smoke. Only in years to come will anyone learn the cost of inhaling propylene glycol and nicotine. I agree that it's most likely safer by a mile than inhaling tobacco. But like Jason, I'd like some measure of the consequences of our e-smoking actions. At present, we have none.
I agree, but I think the heavy, booted foot of government is going to come down before these are adequately studied. That's my fear, fortified now by Thailand's position and what happened (and why) to Dr. Loi in Malaysia. E-smoking has no friends in high places, but many powerful enemies.
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I would tend to agree that it seems probable that this is no worse than cigarette smoking, but I'm not willing to say it can't be worse, things can always get worse and often do, I didn't think that they could develope drugs any worse than crack and heroine but they did right here in my home state of michigan phizer created this drug called CAT and some stupid college intern stole some and started putting it out into the public, that stuff was more adictive than crack cocain and generaly killed the user within 6 months from the point of adiction, so can e-smoking be worse than real smoking yes it most certainly could be and we just don't have the data we need to conferm our assumptions about it being better for use. They said tose eclipse cigarettes would be better for use and it turns out theres enough carbon monoxide in them to choke a horse.
Well, Thailand and some other countries are going for a ban. Our e-cigs are "drug delivery devices" and our liquids are poisons being improperly used for medicinal purposes.
The best we can hope for, seems to me, is regulation. But I now fear the absolute worst: With taxes an issue, with Big Pharmaceutical having to jump through hoops to market NRT products, and with Big Tobacco seeing no future with our product and a loss of its massive industrial investment, what hope is there?
I see these devices sliding along until lawmakers become aware of them, probably the result of protests from anti-tobacco "health" groups. Then there will be the public arguments, focusing on hooking "our young people" on an addictive substance, on the hazards of our fluid to children and pets and the environment, on law enforcement difficulties in policing "no smoking" areas. E-manufacturers will argue health and harm reduction. The counter will be a scream of "why continue an addictive behavior when smokers are giving up cigarettes in record numbers and consumers already have FDA-approved nicotine replacement therapies that are known to be safe?"
Since 4 out of 5 people don't smoke, we can't expect public support for e-smoking. And we can expect every anti group to oppose it. Behind the scenes, two powerful forces often at odds -- Big Pharma and Big Tobacco -- will have lobbyists working lawmakers: You tax us, why not them? You force us to submit clinical trials before product approval, why not them? Heads will nod and someone will note these products are -- gasp -- made in China. We're sending more devalued American dollars down that one-way street to China. Don't even tell them Cuban tobacco might be the source of liquid flavor and nicotine!
I expect a vote at some point, telling the Food & Drug Administration to protect the health of Americans by requiring a lengthy approval process for e-devices and liquid. So it will begin. Personally, I don't expect e-devices to survive the first FDA hearing. I sincerely hope I am wrong, that e-smoking becomes just another choice, like Stonewall tobacco bits, to help smokers stay off far more dangerous cigarettes. But I even fear for Stonewall, made by an American company flying under the radar so far.
I have not been encouraged by the EU's ban, and one in New Zealand, on Swedish snus, provably safer than the cigarettes sold legally in those countries. The Sheepdogs of Profit are herding the flock to the only legal product that provides needed taxes and sustains present vested interests like Big Tobacco and Big Pharma.
The best we can hope for, seems to me, is regulation. But I now fear the absolute worst: With taxes an issue, with Big Pharmaceutical having to jump through hoops to market NRT products, and with Big Tobacco seeing no future with our product and a loss of its massive industrial investment, what hope is there?
I see these devices sliding along until lawmakers become aware of them, probably the result of protests from anti-tobacco "health" groups. Then there will be the public arguments, focusing on hooking "our young people" on an addictive substance, on the hazards of our fluid to children and pets and the environment, on law enforcement difficulties in policing "no smoking" areas. E-manufacturers will argue health and harm reduction. The counter will be a scream of "why continue an addictive behavior when smokers are giving up cigarettes in record numbers and consumers already have FDA-approved nicotine replacement therapies that are known to be safe?"
Since 4 out of 5 people don't smoke, we can't expect public support for e-smoking. And we can expect every anti group to oppose it. Behind the scenes, two powerful forces often at odds -- Big Pharma and Big Tobacco -- will have lobbyists working lawmakers: You tax us, why not them? You force us to submit clinical trials before product approval, why not them? Heads will nod and someone will note these products are -- gasp -- made in China. We're sending more devalued American dollars down that one-way street to China. Don't even tell them Cuban tobacco might be the source of liquid flavor and nicotine!
I expect a vote at some point, telling the Food & Drug Administration to protect the health of Americans by requiring a lengthy approval process for e-devices and liquid. So it will begin. Personally, I don't expect e-devices to survive the first FDA hearing. I sincerely hope I am wrong, that e-smoking becomes just another choice, like Stonewall tobacco bits, to help smokers stay off far more dangerous cigarettes. But I even fear for Stonewall, made by an American company flying under the radar so far.
I have not been encouraged by the EU's ban, and one in New Zealand, on Swedish snus, provably safer than the cigarettes sold legally in those countries. The Sheepdogs of Profit are herding the flock to the only legal product that provides needed taxes and sustains present vested interests like Big Tobacco and Big Pharma.
I agree with you TB, and I just read a report that this anti-tobacco group is trying to get stonewall classified as a food product so that the FDA has authority over it. they want it banned because it tastes good and resembles candy. I'll be very disappointed if they ban stonewall (or e-smoking) as This is the first time in my adult life that I've gone longer than 4 hours without a cigarette. But could anything or anyone stop an agenda that both big tobacco and big pharma supported, I don't think so. Our only real hope is for camel e-cigs to be sitting beside the camel snus
however, I have read some scary results from camel snus users and so am sticking to the swedish stuff exclusively, not sure if I'd trust the camel e-cigs either. Hey, maybe they'll come up with swedish e-cigs and then we can all move there.
however, I have read some scary results from camel snus users and so am sticking to the swedish stuff exclusively, not sure if I'd trust the camel e-cigs either. Hey, maybe they'll come up with swedish e-cigs and then we can all move there.
Jaosn, I have expressed fears for Stonewall several times before in forum posts. It's the absolute bedrock of my stay-off-smoking plan. Last year, I found a great, low-nicotine snus in coffee flavor, called XQs. Made in Sweden. I went through a pack a day of those XQs (15 per pack). Then the company stopped making the nicotine version. There are so many potential lawsuits when nicotine is an ingredient. No XQs -- I went back to cigarettes. I had gone 85 days without smoking, using mostly XQs, which I greatly preferred over other snus. The unavailability of Stonewall is, to me, unthinkable. History could repeat.
The antis keep shutting doors on us, don't they?
The antis keep shutting doors on us, don't they?
BTW, great pic Mr.Darcy.Mr.Darcy said:good question...this is the G220 atomiser/cart dismantled.usually the black cart is deadlocked to the white atomiser part.
im afraid it looks like the polyesters still there.its looks quite rudimentary really.
im not sure if the G300 is the same,but it could well be.we'll know more when its released,im sure.
Yes TB, the antis are a bunch of Bast&rds! I understood when they were worried about second hand smoke, noone should have to suffer for someone elses choice to smoke, but smokless tobacco harms noone except for the user, and there is alot of evidence that it's considerably less harnful to the user than cigarettes, If I can't get the stonewall, I'm afraid that I'll go back to rolling my own smokes. At least I know what I'm doing to myself when I smoke pure cigarette tobacco. Not knowing what the consequences of inhaling PG are realy freaks me out and after the whole polyerster problem I had It's goten even worse. I go back and forth about the whole issue of wehter e-smoking is probably safer or not and the best solution I came up with was not to smoke cigarettes or e-cigs, but that is only possible with snus and stonewall (at least for now that's the case). If these products were not avaiable to me I'm not sure what I'd do. Maybe just go broke buying nic lozanges and be p*ssed off about the taste.
Hey guys, been lurking here for a few months and read almost every new post..great group of people here trying to pass on as much info as possible..I have started to look into importing some of the e-cig(type) of products here to north america and I have purchased several over the last 3 months since discovering this product..I see quite a minefield when it comes to navigating through all the suppliers...I don't know who is sellng what(they all tout the same product as being thier own discovery) but the pricing seems to be around $20USD for 100pcs pretty much accross the board...If you do a search on Alibaba.com you will see what I am talking about..I think the consumer might be willing to pay a few dollars more for a product that is consistant in its draw and strength..my opinion anyways..I also believe that when we use the term atomizer we are not talking about the original idea of high freq. atomizers but a simple ceramic(wire) heating element which brngs down the price but also the performance(I think) of the product in general..does anyone have a unit that is actually using a high freq. atomizer? and if so is there a difference in the vapour density and overall feel? ...well thats all I have to say for now..would appreciate your feedback..and keep up the great work Dusty..your videos are very helpfull to all people interested in the products...cya
Okay, it's July 1. Wasn't GreenCig somehow supposed to become official and on sale today? Where's the Web site -- in English and priced in American dollars? Anyone know a link to something other than German or Chinese?
GreenCig has a promotion offer. I requested a sample for review which they said they would send once the Olympics end and they can once again mail products with batteries to the US.
A free sample is provided to business owners to demonstrate the product to your customers.
For details, please send emails to info@greenworldcig.com with your business name and contact information.
Go to greenworldcig and click on Promotions for details
A free sample is provided to business owners to demonstrate the product to your customers.
For details, please send emails to info@greenworldcig.com with your business name and contact information.
Go to greenworldcig and click on Promotions for details
I did the same long ago, Sherid. My request for review was approved, but I got the same notice you did that my kits would be shipped when the Olympics are over. The more reviews the better.
An affordable, disposable e-cigarette has been something I've wanted since about February. GreenCig, however, might not be so affordable as a daily throwaway. And that's what I want. No pushing the cartridge, no refilling. Priced like tobacco cigarettes. THOSE I can tell my tobacco chain store owner to buy and sell without reservation!
At least I can head-to-head compare taste and vapor to LoongTotem once the GreenCig kits arrive.
An affordable, disposable e-cigarette has been something I've wanted since about February. GreenCig, however, might not be so affordable as a daily throwaway. And that's what I want. No pushing the cartridge, no refilling. Priced like tobacco cigarettes. THOSE I can tell my tobacco chain store owner to buy and sell without reservation!
At least I can head-to-head compare taste and vapor to LoongTotem once the GreenCig kits arrive.
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