Hcigar HB DNA 40 anticipation thread

[Genghis]

I don't think bridging the two -B- pins will be a problem, I believe they are the same connection point. The charging circuit should still work fine too. As long as the solder is shiny, as opposed to a dull grey, you are looking good.

Thanks for the information. That was my initial thoughts as well. But I didn't want to post anything that may have been incorrect. I just wanted to let people know that if they do a sloppy job and bridge the two negative pins like I did, the unit would still function. Basically covering my .... if it works but negatively affects a different function of the device. In any case, I will continue to charge my batteries in an external charger and not use pass through. Mostly because that's what I've done with all of my other devices. Just habit for me.

 

[retird]

I think the reference was regarding the actual board being covered by Evolv's 1 year warranty.. I linked this thread, and a pic of the HB's internals.. Brandon replied that the board is covered by the 1 year warranty, but it would need to be removed from the device for service..

EDIT: I can't directly copy the entire contents due to forum rules, but here is the pertinent part of my question:


"Will Evolv honor a warranty on any defective DNA 40 boards in these devices beyond the 30 days offered from the Vendor? If so, what would the guidelines of the warranty be? They are reported to be from the current batch which includes the Celsius reading."


And the pertinent part of Brandon's reply:


"we will honor the 1 year warranty on the board regardless of the manufacturers stated warranty."

Evolv's response is pretty clear. What is not so clear is who must remove the claimed defective board to send to Evolv and who will re-install the replacement board? Customer, vendor, or Hcigar? It is further unclear as to how any warranty return/ device replacement / mod design correction will be addressed during a vendors applied warranty period and/or Hcigars applied 90 day warranty and how that changes as warranties (vendor or Hcigar) run out.

I would think that a defective Hcigar device should just be sent back to the vendor for repair/replacement (if within their stated vendor warranty), or to Hcigar for repair/replacement(within their 90 day warranty), and past those warranties the customer is responsible to remove (or have it removed) and send the board to Evolv during the remainder of the 1 year Evolv warranty.

With that thought (assumption if you will)... the customer needs to know up front how to deal with a warranty/repair/design issue .... imo.....

 

[Technonut]

Evolv's response is pretty clear. What is not so clear is who must remove the claimed defective board to send to Evolv and who will re-install the replacement board? Customer, vendor, or Hcigar? It is further unclear as to how any warranty return/ device replacement / mod design correction will be addressed during a vendors applied warranty period and/or Hcigars applied 90 day warranty and how that changes as warranties (vendor or Hcigar) run out.

I would think that a defective Hcigar device should just be sent back to the vendor for repair/replacement (if within their stated vendor warranty), or to Hcigar for repair/replacement(within their 90 day warranty), and past those warranties the customer is responsible to remove and send the board to Evolv during the remainder of the 1 year Evolv warranty.

With that thought (assumption if you will)... the customer needs to know up front how to deal with a warranty/repair/design issue .... imo.....

Some good questions.. As posted, my inquiry was related to a vendor only offering a 30 day manufacturer's defect warranty. In that case, after 30 days, one would need to contact Hcigar. After Hcigar's warranty expires, Evolv has made it clear that the board would need to be removed from the device (by the owner) for service..

 

[retird]

I too checked a few vendor's warranties..... not naming this vendor who sells the Hcigar HB Dna40.... but here ya go....

All products we sell are sold, “AS-IS”, with no warranties expressed nor implied and cannot be returned or exchanged unless the item received by the customer is DOA (Dead on Arrival). Customers must notify us within 48 hours of receiving their defective product in order to start a return process. (receiving of product will be based on your tracking number and the time and day that shows your package was delivered to you) DOA items only apply to electrical devices such as an Itaste, eRoll, Evic or Ego’s. Online purchases must go through our RMA process which is listed below. Should a customer return an item without notifying us first, we will refuse the package upon its delivery for the safety of our staff. For sanitary reasons, and the overall safety of our customers, we DO NOT accept returns of: atomizers, clearomizers, cartomizers, bottled liquid, drip tips, batteries, wick, wire, mechanical mods, rebuildable devices and atomizers and parts for rebuildables and/or atomizers. Therefore, our Return Policy EXCLUDES any products of this kind.

 

[Technonut]

I too checked a few vendor's warranties..... not naming this vendor who sells the Hcigar HB Dna40.... but here ya go....

All products we sell are sold, “AS-IS”, with no warranties expressed nor implied and cannot be returned or exchanged unless the item received by the customer is DOA (Dead on Arrival). Customers must notify us within 48 hours of receiving their defective product in order to start a return process. (receiving of product will be based on your tracking number and the time and day that shows your package was delivered to you) DOA items only apply to electrical devices such as an Itaste, eRoll, Evic or Ego’s. Online purchases must go through our RMA process which is listed below. Should a customer return an item without notifying us first, we will refuse the package upon its delivery for the safety of our staff. For sanitary reasons, and the overall safety of our customers, we DO NOT accept returns of: atomizers, clearomizers, cartomizers, bottled liquid, drip tips, batteries, wick, wire, mechanical mods, rebuildable devices and atomizers and parts for rebuildables and/or atomizers. Therefore, our Return Policy EXCLUDES any products of this kind.

Damn.... Shows the importance in CAREFULLY reading the warranty / RMA terms huh?

 

[gigetto]

Is affordable but it is still reliable and durable?

 

[T4T3Z0R]

Is affordable but it is still reliable and durable?

short answer... nope

 

[Eric Auer]

short answer... nope

Perhaps time will tell?

Eric

 

[Vapenstein]

I am getting the battery gnd fix performed on mine tomorrow after work

Looking forward to seeing if anyone beats me to replacing the 510 connector with a nicer part

If I had known about these issues I would have got a blem Hana or a small screen rDNA for a few bucks more instead. For me, not keeping this box represents more hassle than keeping it. I still very much like this box btw, or I'd never be going to these lengths for it.

 

[Genghis]

Mine is still working today. So that's a good sign. Here are some pics from the "fix". Disclaimer: This is just a picture show of what I did. Do what ever you want to your own devices at your own risk. All I know for now is that my wire is replaced and it still turns on. I know for sure I could have done a better job, and I don't even know if I did it correctly. I may have to go back in and tweak the final solder point.

1. Remove screw from the bottom and slide out the negative battery terminal. It easily slides out if you have small fingers.


2. Remove old wire from battery terminal by heating up the existing solder on the battery terminal and carefully pull the existing wire off.


3. Get a piece of 20 or 22 gauge wire and solder it to the battery terminal (I used 20 gauge). Use a piece that is longer than you need. I added a little bit of new solder after attempting to attach it to the existing solder.


4. Still with the new wire not attached to the device yet, cut the new wire down to size, estimating enough length to reach the -B- pin and for the battery terminal to slide back into it's guides. Insert the exposed wire down in the empty -B- pin hole and attempt to solder it into place. Like I said, I accidentally bridged the two pins here. From what another poster says, it probably doesn't matter, but I don't like it because it looks horrible and it bothers my OCD. After looking at the pic, it appears that I didn't get enough solder on the right side of the pin, so I may go back in and fix that. The old wire is only there for reference.


5. And after all of that, it still turns on and functions. Yes, I was a little worried.


So there you go. Hopefully it'll help someone. Or maybe it's more of a guide of what not to do. Now I have to go figure out which of my atomizers have flat center pins. Hmmm....

 

[gigetto]

But i didn't understood why the wires are wrong in the circuit.....

 

[T4T3Z0R]

because they are using the case as the ground and grounding everything through the 510 grounding pin. there is appears to be a sizeable voltage drop between the b- ground screw and the board or on the board between the 510 ground pin and the b- pin that is causing a weak battery error under high drain situations because the board is reading a larger voltage drop under load than is actually the case. for me this would only allow me to vape between 25 and 28 watts in tp mode because of the low resistance needed. also while the 510 ground pin is connected to the b- pin on the board, it might give more resistance than the 22 awg wire that is the minimum you can use for the b- pin. also the soldier point on the positive lead to the 510 will almost certainly fail because the whole pin spins putting stress on it.
ETA all of this is covered in detail earlier in the thread. if you are really interested you should read through it

 

[AnsonJames]

short answer... nope

How long have you had your Hcigar DNA 40 then?

Seems to me that Hcigar have done their best trying to do the right thing but they should have bought their boards directly from Evolv. Next time.

 

[fredrikstad]

Vape Triad's just posted a better photo of their fix, which runs the wire direct from the battery negative to the board.

All in all, it's a relatively easy fix to perform. As long as you have access to some wire, a soldering station and some solder, it's a pretty easy fix.



Why not try giving the fix a go? It's not that difficult, especially if you just run a bridge from the lower screw to the board. It's not as neat of a solution, but it should be just as effective.

At the price Sweet Vapes is selling it at, it's a steal, and worth the effort to get the fix done for a fairly solid device with DNA40 performance.

Thank you so much. This look like something even I could do. I think I`m gonna jump for that. I am a happy camper now. This forum is the greatest. With this picture, I can`t go wrong All that said, sweet-vape is offering me a full refund if I send it back. So kudos to them. But all in all, like you said, this is a steal. That smoked screen though, is it much harder to read, compared to the ipv mini in dim mode?

 

[fredrikstad]

Could not some super glue do the trick for that spinning 510? I mean, whit the warranty already voided, some glue or silicon can`t do any harm? Look at other devices, they are so full off glue, you would not believe it if you did not see it

 

[Rado]

I think it was bieng asked to remove everything incluting the juice well so you could replace it with a fatd daddy

Yep, that way you should be able to push the juice well from underneath
I did

 

[Rado]

short answer... nope

No offence mate, but i think you are wrong... Big time

 

[Technonut]

I may be back in the HB DNA 40 game again.. I ran across a vendor running a pre-order for units with corrected wiring (stated by vendor on ECR) straight from Hcigar.. There's still the spinning 510 issue to consider... With their $86.32 cost of admission though, it is still hard for me to pass up. Hell, the DNA 40 board retails for around $60.00 it's self..

I did find it interesting that one of the pics showing that the ground issue will be addressed looks kinda familiar.. The next question would be is whether Hcigar will be correcting the 510 negative as well?

I'll have to think about it.. If anything, just throwing this out there for folks. Be SURE to read and understand the vendor's policies before making a purchase. Contact them with ANY questions before ordering.. Here's the link:

HCigar HB-DNA40 - Smog Distribution

 

[retird]

I may be back in the HB DNA 40 game again.. I ran across a vendor running a pre-order for units with corrected wiring (stated by vendor on ECR) straight from Hcigar.. There's still the spinning 510 issue to consider... With their $86.32 cost of admission though, it is still hard for me to pass up. Hell, the DNA 40 board retails for around $60.00 it's self..

I did find it interesting that one of the pics showing that the ground issue will be addressed looks kinda familiar.. The next question would be is whether Hcigar will be correcting the 510 negative as well?

I'll have to think about it.. If anything, just throwing this out there for folks. Be SURE to read and understand the vendor's policies before making a purchase. Contact them with ANY questions before ordering.. Here's the link:

HCigar HB-DNA40 - Smog Distribution

An e-mail was sent to Hcigar days ago referencing the issues discussed in this thread, warranty period, and quantity costs from Hcigar. Only response was to quantity costs and that their was a 90 day warranty.. They said nothing about fixing anything or even saying there was an issue at all.

Would like to read the post where the vendor stated corrected wiring on the pre-order if ya have a link to it.....thx....

 

[Technonut]

An e-mail was sent to Hcigar days ago referencing the issues discussed in this thread, warranty period, and quantity costs from Hcigar. Only response was to quantity costs and that their was a 90 day warranty.. They said nothing about fixing anything or even saying there was an issue at all.

Would like to read the post where the vendor stated corrected wiring on the pre-order if ya have a link to it.....thx....

I can't cross-link directly to ECR, but one of our members here in this thread presented the question:

Hey Smog, would you be able to find out the following? How will they be grounding the negative wire for the 510 connection and the battery terminal? Will they be using a different 510 connection? If not, will they be securing it better than their first run? And yes, the smoked screen is a nuisance, I wonder if they didn't peel off the tinted layer over the LED screen prior to installation.

Those are the biggest complaints so far, that the 510 and battery negative are grounded to the case, which can cause "Weak Battery" error and possibly worse. The 510 connection although spring loaded doesn't seem like it has a good seal, but the worse part is that when you screw on an atty, the underside of the 510 spins. This could possibly weaken and break the solder at the 510 connection. You can read more at ECF, under the variable voltage device section. I purchased a first run and have been adding to that thread. But other than those issues, it's a pretty neat device, but those issues are pretty important.

Also it sounds like Vapetriad had HCigar do something special with their 510 connection that makes them flush with the top. The current runs at regular online stores are slightly raised. Would you be able to have them do this, if more people would rather have a completely flushed atty? Oh one last note, I hope. The Vapetriad version also did not have a bunch of the FC, CE, no landfill, recycle markings on the back plate. Do you know if yours will? Sorry for the ramblings, it's way past my bedtime, but I wanted to get this post in as early as possible.

I just made this reddit account to ask you these questions. EDIT: Oh I forgot, it seems that Vapetriad are "fixing" all of their first run HCigar HB DNA40 boxes by hard wiring the negative battery terminal to the chip, before they ship to their customers. They believe this will alleviate most of the problems. Just about everyone agrees that this will help, but ideally the 510 negative would also be hard wired to the chip, but the "fix" isn't as easy, so no one has attempted it yet.

The vendor's reply:

Really appreciate you sharing this info. We're making sure that HCigar updated their grounding to fix the issues VapeTriad has. I spoke personally with Brian from VapeTriad several times about this box, so we're on top of things.

We'll be going unmarked for our boxes, same as they did. Flush 510 is the way to go in my mind too.


our batch will be fixed. i've spoken to them about the concerns people have had previously and they were aware of them and these issues have been resolved. i specifically asked about the issues vapetriad was having and was assured these are no longer issues. also, it will not contain all the markings on the back plate as far as the 510 connection, i will have to look into that one for you