Heather's Heavenly Vapes - THE BIG THREAD (Part 5)

[kkay59]

Lori, I can relate on the teens. Teenagers are not easy to deal with, and they will take all of your energy, mentally, and physically. I had two on my own. It is no wonder I grayed early. I wish y'all the best with your move and everything. I hope you had an awesome birthday!!! I am gonna try that other juice you sent me probably tomorrow. The time has just flown by today, I don't know where it all went.
Oh, those cases for the Kayfuns were really cool. I am SO glad they came with the drip tip adapters too. I prefer using my own drip tips. I really love the 3.1 Kayfuns...they have incredible taste, and vapor, in my opinion. The air flow for me is good. If I get to using the Magma for too long though, I have to make myself take much easier draws on the kayfun, so I do know what you mean. Regardless, I am loving this kind of kayfun. They are supreme.

 

[Bronze]

No offense ladies, but if I had four girls I would shoot myself in the head.

 

[DavidOH]

 

[kkay59]

LOLLLLLLLLLLL. Bronze, you don't mean that. You know it's funny. I had a girl first, then a boy. The girl was fairly easy to raise, until she became a teenager. The boy was more difficult when he was younger, but as a teen, he wasn't nearly as hard to deal with, as my daughter. When my daughter turned 17, it was TOUGH with a capital T. 17-19 years old was the worst. Once she was in her early twenties, things got much better. Now that she is almost 24, I am relieved I tell ya. Lori will find that things get better too, I hope. When your kids have their own kids, then they get a taste of their own raising, that's for sure. I smile just thinking about it. No hint of being a grandma yet. But I am sure it will be in my future, if I live long enough to see it. I plan to spoil my grandkids, and send 'em back.

No offense ladies, but if I had four girls I would shoot myself in the head.

 

[LAwaters]

No offense ladies, but if I had four girls I would shoot myself in the head.

No offense taken, good sir. You would be sorely tempted. At this point, my inner core is made of the toughest tempered steel. It's either that, or you end up burnt to a crisp in the refiner's fire. Thankfully, I am still upright, and can still smile.

 

[Bronze]

LOLLLLLLLLLLL. Bronze, you don't mean that. You know it's funny. I had a girl first, then a boy. The girl was fairly easy to raise, until she became a teenager. The boy was more difficult when he was younger, but as a teen, he wasn't nearly as hard to deal with, as my daughter. When my daughter turned 17, it was TOUGH with a capital T. 17-19 years old was the worst. Once she was in her early twenties, things got much better. Now that she is almost 24, I am relieved I tell ya. Lori will find that things get better too, I hope. When your kids have their own kids, then they get a taste of their own raising, that's for sure. I smile just thinking about it. No hint of being a grandma yet. But I am sure it will be in my future, if I live long enough to see it. I plan to spoil my grandkids, and send 'em back.

The degree of difficulty goes up exponentially with the addition of each girl. Something like this.....

1 girl: Total hell!
2 girls: Total hell x 5
3 girls: Total hell x 100
4 girls: Total hell x 1 million.

 

[Bronze]

No offense taken, good sir. You would be sorely tempted. At this point, my inner core is made of the toughest tempered steel. It's either that, or you end up burnt to a crisp in the refiner's fire. Thankfully, I am still upright, and can still smile.

LA, I can tell you have made great adjustments in your life. I'm convinced a man would not have survived it alone like you. Maybe it takes a girl to understand the kind of crap other girls pull. All I know is my neighbor John (a wife and four girls) is just a shell of a man. His eyes are lifeless. His heart beats and that is the only sign of life left in him.

 

[DavidOH]

 

[LAwaters]

LOLLLLLLLLLLL. Bronze, you don't mean that. You know it's funny. I had a girl first, then a boy. The girl was fairly easy to raise, until she became a teenager. The boy was more difficult when he was younger, but as a teen, he wasn't nearly as hard to deal with, as my daughter. When my daughter turned 17, it was TOUGH with a capital T. 17-19 years old was the worst. Once she was in her early twenties, things got much better. Now that she is almost 24, I am relieved I tell ya. Lori will find that things get better too, I hope. When your kids have their own kids, then they get a taste of their own raising, that's for sure. I smile just thinking about it. No hint of being a grandma yet. But I am sure it will be in my future, if I live long enough to see it. I plan to spoil my grandkids, and send 'em back.

Kelly, my oldest is 27, and I was sure for a long time there that raising her would be the death of me. She is a lot better now. The 25 year old is better too. The youngest is proving to be the most difficult one of all, and not because I am worn out. Others may disagree, but sometimes they are born with a temperament that makes guiding them darn near impossible. My love is unshakeable. I have a ton of patience. But at a certain point only consequences have any chance of teaching them, IMO.

 

[LAwaters]

The degree of difficulty goes up exponentially with the addition of each girl. Something like this.....

1 girl: Total hell!
2 girls: Total hell x 5
3 girls: Total hell x 100
4 girls: Total hell x 1 million.

You might be mostly joking here, but this is utterly true in my experience. And I have required that daughters #1 & 2 help out in recent difficulties because they helped give the younger two bad attitudes and made my job much harder when they were old enough to know better. They helped make certain messes and now they need to help deal with it. Grrr.

 

[LAwaters]

LA, I can tell you have made great adjustments in your life. I'm convinced a man would not have survived it alone like you. Maybe it takes a girl to understand the kind of crap other girls pull. All I know is my neighbor John (a wife and four girls) is just a shell of a man. His eyes are lifeless. His heart beats and that is the only sign of life left in him.

I'm not getting a lot of encouragement these days, Bronze, so that means more to me than you could know. Certain family members who have been no help at all, who I am not asking for help from now, sure do delight in criticizing, judging and hurling their opinions around to anyone who will listen. I, however, am not listening to them. Every time you mention John, my heart just breaks for the guy.

 

[Bronze]

You might be mostly joking here, but this is utterly true in my experience. And I have required that daughters #1 & 2 help out in recent difficulties because they helped give the younger two bad attitudes and made my job much harder when they were old enough to know better. They helped make certain messes and now they need to help deal with it. Grrr.

I admire your tenaciousness Lori. There were three of us (one girl and two boys) and my Mom didn't put up with any crap. And she didn't ever pull this,"Wait until your Dad gets home" either. She took care of business right then and there. Amazingly, her job was not hard because we absolutely knew our limits and knew the consequences of crossing them. So we didn't test them often. And we always knew if it went to our father our lives would be over as we knew them. But four girls is a whole lot more difficult than 1 + 2. The emotional stuff is what would kill me. It's what has killed my neighbor. And his wife is the biggest PITA!!!

 

[Bronze]

I'm not getting a lot of encouragement these days, Bronze, so that means more to me than you could know. Certain family members who have been no help at all, who I am not asking for help from now, sure do delight in criticizing, judging and hurling their opinions around to anyone who will listen. I, however, am not listening to them. Every time you mention John, my heart just breaks for the guy.

Well, I think of what my mom would do. She was and will always be my hero. She would tell me it isn't as important to be right as it is to be the same. I suspect kids are always probing for chinks in the armor. But she would never show them. Even if we thought we had her dead to rights. She never caved, never apologized, never admitted to being wrong. She felt there was a hierarchy. And it wasn't the job of those at the top to apologize or reason beyond the first level.

You kickass Lori. Never cave!!!

 

[LAwaters]

I admire your tenaciousness Lori. There were three of us (one girl and two boys) and my Mom didn't put up with any crap. And she didn't ever pull this,"Wait until your Dad gets home" either. She took care of business right then and there. Amazingly, her job was not hard because we absolutely knew our limits and knew the consequences of crossing them. So we didn't test them often. And we always knew if it went to our father our lives would be over as we knew them. But four girls is a whole lot more difficult than 1 + 2. The emotional stuff is what would kill me. It's what has killed my neighbor. And his wife is the biggest PITA!!!

Your Mom sounds like a remarkable person. These days, the stuff our parents did to keep us in line would land parents in jail and the kids in state custody. Kids are given the message that any kind of holding them accountable is abuse. It's harder than ever to parent them well.

 

[DavidOH]

I'm not getting a lot of encouragement these days, Bronze, so that means more to me than you could know. Certain family members who have been no help at all, who I am not asking for help from now, sure do delight in criticizing, judging and hurling their opinions around to anyone who will listen. I, however, am not listening to them. Every time you mention John, my heart just breaks for the guy.

 

[LAwaters]

Well, I think of what my mom would do. She was and will always be my hero. She would tell me it isn't as important to be right as it is to be the same. I suspect kids are always probing for chinks in the armor. But she would never show them. Even if we thought we had her dead to rights. She never caved, never apologized, never admitted to being wrong. She felt there was a hierarchy. And it wasn't the job of those at the top to apologize or reason beyond the first level.

You kickass Lori. Never cave!!!

Yes, yes and yes!!! Parenting is not a democracy. I am reasonable and fair. I hate tyranny as much as anyone. But showing chinks in the armor would be a mile-wide chum line for the sharks.

 

[Bronze]

Your Mom sounds like a remarkable person. These days, the stuff our parents did to keep us in line would land parents in jail and the kids in state custody. Kids are given the message that any kind of holding them accountable is abuse. It's harder than ever to parent them well.

You are so right on all counts. The temptations kids confront today are far greater than what we had in our youth.

 

[Bronze]

Yes, yes and yes!!! Parenting is not a democracy. I am reasonable and fair. I hate tyranny as much as anyone. But showing chinks in the armor would be a mile-wide chum line for the sharks.

LOL! Absolutely!

 

[LAwaters]

I love this, David! Perfect!

 

[kkay59]

Lori, sounds to me like you have a handle on things. I was not in good health when my kids were teens. They took advantage of it. Bronze does sound like he had a great mom. I had to be a mother and a father to my kids. I made mistakes, no doubt about it. But I did the best I could. Lori, I am sure you are doing the same. That is all that can be expected. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink. You can tell a kid right from wrong, show them, live by it. The rest is up to them. Once they are teens, they listen to their friends, more than you. Now that my daughter is older, she lets me know that I did a good job. I was a parent, first and foremost. You are right when you talk about what parents can do now, vs. in the past. Things have changed. You have to be a parent, not a friend. Kids have plenty of friends, but they need a parent to raise them. They may act like they hate your guts, but they don't. They are just trying to figure out how to become independent. They don't like the fact that they still need you, and yearn for your wisdom. I don't care how old you are, you can still benefit from your parent's wisdom.