Help with Vanilla??--The Holy Grail Has Finally been Found with HappyVaper

[fjames]

Sun, I don't know if you're obsessing on vanilla, or just want to temper the tobacco taste with "something" sweet. I played mad scientist with LorAnn flavors for a month or so and my conclusion is most don't do it for me.

I think it's the nature of the mixing, just can't seem to blend juice with flavor - I end up tasting the flavor on inhale and juice on exhale. Also several (mostly fruit) leave an aftertaste that builds in time.

That said, I found one that really works for me - Cheesecake. If you haven't tried it, do so. One single drop (from a dram size dropper) on the wick is good for days for me. Or mix it traditionally. If you want to knock yourself out with sweet flavor Horchata is worth a try. They're both strong (in a different way) so start low if you decide to try.

 

[jbbishop]

I went ahead and ordered the vanillin crystals from Parthenon foods because they ship by USPS which won't be much more than local retail prices and it's easier to do this than for me to get out to the Greek markets in the south valley this week. Should be here in about 5 days and I'll give a report. I think it should work better than any form of extract. Failing that the next step would be ethyl vanillin. Apparently when my friend sold his store they disposed of all his stock so I don't know of any retail store nearby that would carry this. As I recall the price on the shelf was over $6.00.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I went ahead and ordered the vanillin crystals from Parthenon foods because they ship by USPS which won't be much more than local retail prices and it's easier to do this than for me to get out to the Greek markets in the south valley this week. Should be here in about 5 days and I'll give a report. I think it should work better than any form of extract. Failing that the next step would be ethyl vanillin. Apparently when my friend sold his store they disposed of all his stock so I don't know of any retail store nearby that would carry this. As I recall the price on the shelf was over $6.00.

JB--thanks and do let us know how it tastes!!!---Sun

Sun, I don't know if you're obsessing on vanilla, or just want to temper the tobacco taste with "something" sweet. I played mad scientist with LorAnn flavors for a month or so and my conclusion is most don't do it for me.

I think it's the nature of the mixing, just can't seem to blend juice with flavor - I end up tasting the flavor on inhale and juice on exhale. Also several (mostly fruit) leave an aftertaste that builds in time.

That said, I found one that really works for me - Cheesecake. If you haven't tried it, do so. One single drop (from a dram size dropper) on the wick is good for days for me. Or mix it traditionally. If you want to knock yourself out with sweet flavor Horchata is worth a try. They're both strong (in a different way) so start low if you decide to try.

JFlames--Vanillia is a quest!! I do not know what the commercial e-liquid manufactures are using., but I have yet to duplicate Vanillla with VG--so yes it has become an obsession--LOL---I will give the Cheesecake a try and hope that JB reports something good back on the crystals---Thanks--Sun

 

[lec666]

i too was looking to make a vanilla flavor and came across this info
All about Vanilla Extracts and Flavors

Natural Vanilla Flavor

People who prefer not to use an alcohol-based extract can substitute natural vanilla flavor found in natural and specialty food stores and some supermarkets. It usually is made with a glycerin or a propylene glycol base. Although the flavor comes from vanilla beans, it doesn't fit the FDA profile for extracts, so it must legally be called natural vanilla flavor.

Note: The texture of natural vanilla - especially in a glycerin base - is viscous and a little darker than vanilla extract. It also smells somewhat different. In uncooked foods and beverages it tastes fairly similar but with a slight aftertaste; in cooked or baked foods, it's more similar to extract.

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i may have to take a trek down to the local shaws and have a gander through
the huge health section and see if they have natural vanilla extract

 

[cosican]

i too was looking to make a vanilla flavor and came across this info
All about Vanilla Extracts and Flavors

Natural Vanilla Flavor

People who prefer not to use an alcohol-based extract can substitute natural vanilla flavor found in natural and specialty food stores and some supermarkets. It usually is made with a glycerin or a propylene glycol base. Although the flavor comes from vanilla beans, it doesn't fit the FDA profile for extracts, so it must legally be called natural vanilla flavor.

Note: The texture of natural vanilla - especially in a glycerin base - is viscous and a little darker than vanilla extract. It also smells somewhat different. In uncooked foods and beverages it tastes fairly similar but with a slight aftertaste; in cooked or baked foods, it's more similar to extract.

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i may have to take a trek down to the local shaws and have a gander through
the huge health section and see if they have natural vanilla extract

Hi I just purchaed FRONTIER FAIR TRADE VANILLA FLAVOR
at a Wholefoods it has Glycerin, vanilla bean extractives? and water.
I find it quite okay, I have mixed it w/ basic 36mg flavorless and it was almost good, Then i added it to a vanilla based Vapor4life juice and it brought up the flavor nicely. I do not know if we are ever going to get that wonderful vanilla experience, but I am as close as I have been

 

[lec666]

did you try it with a higher vanilla to flavorless ratio? i am almost nic free now
but still love to vape all day so i'm in no rush to give up vaping all together

hhmmm.....maybe just vape it right out the bottle? lol

 

[cosican]

did you try it with a higher vanilla to flavorless ratio? i am almost nic free now
but still love to vape all day so i'm in no rush to give up vaping all together

hhmmm.....maybe just vape it right out the bottle? lol

Just forget the cig and just use a straw, think about how much money you can save I just cannot get enough of that vanilla flavor, I will take it to my grave ( as long as I can vape in the coffin) my journey for the perfect vanilla flavor

lets all keep it up. god bless vanilla

 

[scintar]

Sun, Our family business for years was italian ices. The family has used many flavors for years and vanilla was always a tough flavor to get right. The trick we used to do to get the vanilla to stand out better was to give it a slight hint of citric acid solution and maple syrup. I would try adding a drop or 2 of lemon in your mix and see how that works for you. Sorry man, Vanilla wasen't a big seller so it never got 100% perfected.

Our Vanilla recipe for 3 gallons of mix was........

fill storage container w/10 liters of filtered water.
add 10 cups of sugar
add 1/2 oz citric acid solution.
add 2 1/2 oz of vanilla flavor
add 1 oz maple syrup.

 

[Shadowdr]

I tried Waltons clear vanilla and it tasted good... HOWEVER, the liquid turned a weird orangish colour overnight. So, I am a little skeptical about using it again.

Any insight on the colour change?

Wilton's?
I got that to and it is pretty good but does need to be mixed with the glycerine and depending on your taste preference another flavor to actually mellow the vanilla. My preference is to add some almond to give that candy taste, a little butter or butter rum flavor will give it more of a creamy taste and best is the English toffee for a caramel vanilla taste. All of the above mixed into RY4 taste a lot like a vanilla pipe or cigar flavor(I think my RY4 was ruined). It is actually a pretty good Tobacco vanilla taste.

Cutting with small amounts of VG greatly diminish the flavors so adding it first is a good idea. Adding it last can neutralize all of the flavor and you must add more of everything.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Wilton's?
I got that to and it is pretty good but does need to be mixed with the glycerine and depending on your taste preference another flavor to actually mellow the vanilla. My preference is to add some almond to give that candy taste, a little butter or butter rum flavor will give it more of a creamy taste and best is the English toffee for a caramel vanilla taste. All of the above mixed into RY4 taste a lot like a vanilla pipe or cigar flavor(I think my RY4 was ruined). It is actually a pretty good Tobacco vanilla taste.

Cutting with small amounts of VG greatly diminish the flavors so adding it first is a good idea. Adding it last can neutralize all of the flavor and you must add more of everything.

Shadowdr--But are we not just talking about Vanillin again which we should not be using? What are the ingrediants of the Wilton as Vanillin, when but to heat turns toxic according to the posts?---Sun

 

[Shadowdr]

Ingredients are Water, Alcohol, Artificial flavors.
I have found no proof that heating has any affect on vanillin. I did do a search on vanillin and found relevant MSDS sheets on vanillin in all forms. The form in which was tested or referred to was in a solid form but in all cases heating released only CO and CO2. There was a reference to ethyl alcohol 200 proof as a common shipping ingredient and that this was cause for hazardous shipping warnings and probably the need for an MSDS data sheet. Vanillin or vanilla as both are considered the same by natural structure when shipped with ethyl alcohol 200 proof have a flammable rating with possible invisible flame and possible flashback from a source of ignition.

Perhaps I did not look hard enough but the Material safe handing data sheet seems to refer to commercial amounts that would exceed any amounts encountered except in a workplace that deals with this as an ingredient or it's production.

I cannot answer for anyone else but I found nothing that would concern me about personal use as a flavoring for myself, after all it is a common flavoring often heated as an ingredient in endless food products. In order to taste vanilla you will ingest vanillin but not at levels considered toxic in the MSDS but perhaps I missed something.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

There is Vanillin which is derived from vanilla extract and then their is imitation vanillin:

"Imitation vanilla is a mixture made from synthetic substances, which imitate part of natural vanilla smell and flavor. Imitation vanilla in the United States comes from synthetic vanillin, which mimics the flavor of natural vanillin, one of the components that gives vanilla its extraordinary bouquet."

The theory being that these synthetic substances, when heated, become toxic. But who knows? I would like to know what commerical e-liquid manufactures use to make their "Vanilla"--------Sun

 

[tokarev]

There is Vanillin which is derived from vanilla extract and then their is imitation vanillin:

"Imitation vanilla is a mixture made from synthetic substances, which imitate part of natural vanilla smell and flavor. Imitation vanilla in the United States comes from synthetic vanillin, which mimics the flavor of natural vanillin, one of the components that gives vanilla its extraordinary bouquet."

The theory being that these synthetic substances, when heated, become toxic. But who knows? I would like to know what commerical e-liquid manufactures use to make their "Vanilla"--------Sun

It's been a while since I read the original thread, but I don't think Satire called it toxic. Mutagenic was the word he used. IOW, it might cause cancer! (It's still probably safer than analogs, though.)

TT33

 

[Sun Vaporer]

It's been a while since I read the original thread, but I don't think Satire called it toxic. Mutagenic was the word he used. IOW, it might cause cancer! (It's still probably safer than analogs, though.)

TT33

Tokarev--So the quest continues--I have vanilla beans soaking in VG for 2 months now--one more month and it should be ready to try--hopefully will get a good flavor-------Sun

 

[Shadowdr]

I picked up some at Walmart the other day, Watkins brand pure Madagascar Bourbon Vanilla extract. They also carry a 2x flavor. It taste very good but I allowed it to sit for a while to let some of the alcohol content evaporate. I just don't want to vape liquor. I ordered 90ml of 36 nic content caramel juice so I will be needing the vanilla to flavor the cut down juice. I haven't really seen any evidence that artificial vanillin is any more harmful then natural vanillin as the physical structure is said to be the same, but better safe then sorry.

 

[walkman4169]

I have read quite a few posts here with LorAnn flavors but I have not found anyone that has tried LorAnn vanilla? Has anyone tried their vanilla and if so which one? Any help on LorAnn vanilla would be greatly appreciated--Thanks

i would stay away from vanilla sun yuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh wait thats just me i hate all vanilla

 

[MaxPower]

if vanillin was toxic when heated then wouldn't every cake, pie, etc baked in the oven be toxic? also, when used in hard candies and the mixture is heated, wouldn't it become toxic?

I only ask because I just made some rather tasty juice using the wiltons clear vanilla extract.
ingredients - water, alcohol, artificial flavors

 

[Sun Vaporer]

if vanillin was toxic when heated then wouldn't every cake, pie, etc baked in the oven be toxic? also, when used in hard candies and the mixture is heated, wouldn't it become toxic?

Max--Look up Vanillin and you will see the possible issue with vaping it--Sun

 

[walkman4169]

if vanillin was toxic when heated then wouldn't every cake, pie, etc baked in the oven be toxic? also, when used in hard candies and the mixture is heated, wouldn't it become toxic?

I only ask because I just made some rather tasty juice using the wiltons clear vanilla extract.
ingredients - water, alcohol, artificial flavors

see i knew it all along

 

[MaxPower]

sun, the msds sheet you're referring to also says
"if swallowed, seek medical advice immediately" and
"ingestion may cause gastrointestinal tract irritation and affect the cardiovascular system, respiration, liver (jaundice), urinary system, behavior/nervous system (muscle weakness, somnolence, coma)."

I don't think we're talking about the same thing here, or at least not in anywhere near the same potency. If this were the case, every bakery would need a license to get this stuff and it certainly would not be sold in grocery stores. I'm pretty sure chefs that bake all day get some of this on their skin but aren't going to the emergency room at the end of every shift to make sure they aren't going to slip into a coma.

I'm not a chemist, haven't even opened a chemistry book in 10 years, but I think if this msds sheet is referring to the same stuff in the same concentration that we add to food all day long then we're all in a lot more trouble than we realize...might as well go back to analogs because cake is gonna kill me first

I would really like to get the opinion of someone who knows what they're talking about though, because I'm just full of speculation.