Help with Vanilla??--The Holy Grail Has Finally been Found with HappyVaper

[Sun Vaporer]

sun, the msds sheet you're referring to also says
"if swallowed, seek medical advice immediately" and
"ingestion may cause gastrointestinal tract irritation and affect the cardiovascular system, respiration, liver (jaundice), urinary system, behavior/nervous system (muscle weakness, somnolence, coma)."

I don't think we're talking about the same thing here, or at least not in anywhere near the same potency. If this were the case, every bakery would need a license to get this stuff and it certainly would not be sold in grocery stores. I'm pretty sure chefs that bake all day get some of this on their skin but aren't going to the emergency room at the end of every shift to make sure they aren't going to slip into a coma.

I'm not a chemist, haven't even opened a chemistry book in 10 years, but I think if this msds sheet is referring to the same stuff in the same concentration that we add to food all day long then we're all in a lot more trouble than we realize...might as well go back to analogs because cake is gonna kill me first

I would really like to get the opinion of someone who knows what they're talking about though, because I'm just full of speculation.

Max--This issue has been on this Forum for as long as I can remember. It is the actual vaping and inhaling of Vanillin that seems to be toxic. I read it here with the link so long ago that I could not find it if I wanted to. Anyway the article was very straight forward so that is why I choose to stay clear of Vanillin as well as others when it was posted and talked about. But I can only imagine that Commercial Vanilla e-liquid does in fact contain Vanillin. It is now that the debate is surfacing again. So if anyone finds anything out there one way or the other, it would be helpful if they post the link ----As I want my Vanilla!!! ---LOL Thanks --Sun

 

[trashling]

Considering I was a pack a day + kool smoker for 40 years I am very surprised that I need very little nicotine .. My question is .. does the juice without nicotine added create a lot of vapor?

I tried the Vanilla 0mg nicotine from Smoke51 .. also the the vanilla with 16mg [ I think ] nicotine .. Their cig has a built in atomizer .. LOTS OF VAPORT but the batteries are just awful .. The customer service I received was horrible .. they ignored my emails that said my batteries would not take a charge after a few days.

Still .. I would love to get that taste and vapor again. Any suggestions? Low or no nicotine is fine too .. I did buy one bottle of Vanilla from somewhere .. I forget, but the taste was kind of .. YUK ..

Diane

PS: I decided to buy the Screwdriver. I love the look. I drive a 67 VW Bus and I think maybe I should NOT vape with the screwdriver if I pull up next to a police car or motorcycle.. know what I mean ?

 

[MaxPower]

sun, I did see the posts where people were saying that it was vanillin crystals in the commercial e-liquid (though possibly unconfirmed). If this were true then I think we would have seen some cases where people were having problems related to vaping vanilla as it has been around for a good while now.

Again, just speculation. But I think I will hold off on vaping large amounts of vanilla juice until the verdict is in.

I just couldn't imagine the chinese allowing unsafe products to be used in their manufacturing

 

[walkman4169]

because we all know the chinese have our best interest at heart

 

[Shadowdr]

Considering I was a pack a day + kool smoker for 40 years I am very surprised that I need very little nicotine .. My question is .. does the juice without nicotine added create a lot of vapor?

I tried the Vanilla 0mg nicotine from Smoke51 .. also the the vanilla with 16mg [ I think ] nicotine .. Their cig has a built in atomizer .. LOTS OF VAPORT but the batteries are just awful .. The customer service I received was horrible .. they ignored my emails that said my batteries would not take a charge after a few days.

Still .. I would love to get that taste and vapor again. Any suggestions? Low or no nicotine is fine too .. I did buy one bottle of Vanilla from somewhere .. I forget, but the taste was kind of .. YUK ..

Diane

PS: I decided to buy the Screwdriver. I love the look. I drive a 67 VW Bus and I think maybe I should NOT vape with the screwdriver if I pull up next to a police car or motorcycle.. know what I mean ?

Now that is funny, they might think a new drug has hit the streets if they smell it.

The way I see it vanilla is a problem because it is such a complicated taste. By that I mean that what we think of as vanilla is an enhancement of the flavor. Plain vanilla flavor kind of taste like cardbord to me, it is not a stand alone flavor that we can just add vanilla and it taste good. It needs an enhancer or enhancers to make the flavor truly good.

Take coffee, it taste like crud if we just add vanilla flavoring to regular coffee but add some French Vanilla cream instead and it is hard to imagine the jump from one to the other without other tastes involved. What we all think of when we think of vanilla flavor is in a food product that has many ingerdients that help the flavor.

I have not tried to make a straight vanilla juice but it would need at least two other flavors to produce a suitable flavor that reminds us of a vanilla product. My guess would be, almond extrct to sweeten and probably butter to add a craemy taste. I have been adding mostly English Toffee to the other three to get a taste similar to a caramel vanilla cotton candy (at least by smell). The inhale taste a lot like my grandfathers pipe tobacco smelled,not sure what flavor it was but it smelled very nice. I find that I usually tweak the taste adding a little of each untill I get it just right.

Almond added to any fruit (like cherry)flavor makes it taste like a hard candy as it adds a confection flavoring. Why, i don't know but it is good that way. While most fruit flavors are fine that way, banana needs a little butter and vanilla to make it a more smooth so it taste a lot like a banana creme popcicle. A single drop of cherry also is good with it too. Almost any flavor can be enhanced or cancelled by another flavor.

 

[klum]

If most of the vanilla flavorings have a strong alcohol taste to them, I wonder if cooking the liquid or flam baying it would reduce the alcohol taste. It works in cooking to soften the alcohol taste. Your liquid leftovers would be just a more concentrated vanilla flavor, right? You could then mix the cooled liquid in whichever solution you would like.

kevin

 

[Sun Vaporer]

If most of the vanilla flavorings have a strong alcohol taste to them, I wonder if cooking the liquid or flam baying it would reduce the alcohol taste. It works in cooking to soften the alcohol taste. Your liquid leftovers would be just a more concentrated vanilla flavor, right? You could then mix the cooled liquid in whichever solution you would like.

kevin

Kevin--what do you suggest for a method to flame out the alcohol? Thanks in advance--Sun

 

[RedHot]

We have just gotten the Loranns Pralines & Cream, very good but does tend to favor a coffee flavor, Licorice also good but leaves a strange after taste after smoking for awhile, my favorite Bubble Gum boyfriend says it's to sweet but Mmm I love it. My two cents

 

[Sun Vaporer]

We have just gotten the Loranns Pralines & Cream, very good but does tend to favor a coffee flavor, Licorice also good but leaves a strange after taste after smoking for awhile, my favorite Bubble Gum boyfriend says it's to sweet but Mmm I love it. My two cents

Red--what does this have to do with Vanilla--you are in the Help with Vanilla thread--please watch where you post--Thanks--Sun

 

[klum]

Not knowing what the content level of alcohol in the flavoring is, if it is high enough (I believe that you need about 40%, 80 proof), you could simply put the extract or flavoring in a pan and light it with a match. When flam baying (flambe) an alcohol in food the same way, you know most has burned out when the flames diminish. If you've ever eaten the bananas foster, it's the same idea. Without the flam baying you'd get an real alcohol taste, after, the actual taste of the liquor is there, just mush less alcohol taste.

I've also read that cooking with alcohol will diminish the alcohol by about 40-60%. I suppose that you could simply boil some of it out. Like reducing a sauce? If nothing else, it would remove some water and alcohol eventually concentrating the liquid.

kevin

 

[RedHot]

I've seen ppl write about coconut, choc, menthol- choc, clove-cranberry, apple, cranberry, cheesecake, horchada, almond-fruit on this post. So I thought I would put in my two cents. Because I'm sitting here on a sat night and wanting to enjoy conversation even if I'm mostly only reading it. I also have pure smoker vanilla flavor very good but I haven't mixed any of my own. Good luck in your quest. I'll watch my posts better Thanks LOL

 

[jbbishop]

I tried a mix of vanillin crystals with a regular pure vanilla extract with my regular liquid and it was quite pleasant. Unfortunately I don't have anything to compare it to. I'm still having issues on and off with panic attacks and I'm not on medication all the time. This may or may not have added to the problem.

 

[wegster]

Sun - is it time to 'harvest' your vanilla experiment yet?

 

[needvapor]

Did it work?? Does it taste good?? What about simmering the vanilla bean in the Vodka for about 30 min.. then let cool, bottle and let site for about a month turning?
I picked up a recipee for homemade Kaluha somewhere on the web and it says to make sure it is stored and kept in dark cool area and to turn the bottle every few days.. it stated that it would get bitter if in a light bottle and if sun hit it (no pun intended Sun!)
now with Kaluha they add simple syrup at end 1/2 water 1/2 sugar I dont know if the dark bottle helps sugars dissolve into mixture or anything but ALL Kaluha or liquor recipees I had read had them in dark bottles. I am going to find the recipee. Is there a reason you cant use sugar?? Nwb.. havent gotten that far yet, I think I read something about combustion.
Maybe this is why extracts are sold in dark containers??

 

[Brooks]

I ordered flavors fromCandy Oils Add Delicious Flavor To Your Hard Candy - Get Suckered
So far the Kaluha is quit nice. They have good coffee flavors etc. Just wondering if the oil will clog my atty??? Also after an hour the oil wants to separate from the mixture... I just shook it before putting it in the cart.
LOL... I bought a GALLON of propylene glycol USP kosher....

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun - is it time to 'harvest' your vanilla experiment yet?

Wegster--the big day will be May 30th--that should be just about the right amount of time to take in the flavor needed. If this does make a good flavor, then it is one of the cheapest and easiest e-liquids to make-----I tested it a couple of weeks ago and it was almost there and lacked a little sweatness--so with the extra time, I think it should do the trick and I will report on May 30th---Thanks--Sun

 

[Faethe]

I tried a mix of vanillin crystals with a regular pure vanilla extract with my regular liquid and it was quite pleasant. Unfortunately I don't have anything to compare it to. I'm still having issues on and off with panic attacks and I'm not on medication all the time. This may or may not have added to the problem.

Don't ever stick your tongue in Vanillan Crystals. Just don't.

Last time I ever do that.

 

[KoS]

Don't ever stick your tongue in Vanillan Crystals. Just don't.

Last time I ever do that.

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Are you just going to leave us hanging like that ?

 

[Hanna]

Kate, about the flavoring. I was going to order some, but as I was looking at allllllllll the different flavors I realized something. Those are just the flavoring, and a childhood experience came rushing back into my head I LOVED my mom's vanilla cookies, so I thought surely the stuff in the bottle must be just as good........oh boy was I WRONG

Point being, I am looking at Spearmint, now that tastes good if you suck on a leaf, but it also tastes good with sugar. Vanilla........it does not taste good without sugar no how and I am sure the beans are as bad or worse than the extract. How can vanilla flavoring in the vapor, possibly taste good? I know it does because I have seen ready made liquids that are vanilla.

 

[Faethe]

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Are you just going to leave us hanging like that ?

It's kind of like licking hairspray. Same really OMG chemical spray. I got my Vanillan in from the Greek supply, popped it open, sniffed, and got so excited I licked it. It taste nothing like it smells!

However, I did sprinkle a little on my cartridge (it's a power, but kind of sticky so this was a trick) and vaped it. Yes, definitely vapes just like Vanilla. Very very pleasant. Definate go for mixing. Quantity? I have no idea. But lovely and yummy as long as you DO NOT lick it