How About A Boycott From Buying At Starbucks?

[DC2]

I don't know why all of us that love our vapes don't make a little noise and show our displeasure with companies like Starbucks banning Ecigs from not only inside, but 20 FEET around their store! There have been no real studies that have shown Second Hand Smoke danger and the only ones that did were faked, and if we let companies just walk all over us, then what are we left to do? Go to the smelly Smoking areas in Disneyland, The Airports, Baseball, Football, etc? I stopped smoking for my health and to not ever have to smell that odor on my clothes and now we are being FORCED to go backwards and HAVE second hand smoke ourselves by being put back into a category that is not true, that our vaping is tobacco based and that we are causing harm to people.
Please let me know if anyone would like to make our voice known and we can go from there, let's get in the news in a positive way, as a powerful group, and that is the only way we can be heard.

You're behind the curve...


Here in San Diego the baseball stadium (Petco Park) no longer has smoking areas.
You have to go outside the gates of the park to smoke.

And vaping is treated the same as smoking so you also have to go outside the stadium to vape.

There are smoking bans in hundreds of public beaches and parks around the country.
If these trends continue you will not be able to vape there either.

And to think some people don't understand the need to fight this madness!

As for boycotting Starbucks, already done.
Neither myself nor my wife go there, and I have called their corporate offices to let them know exactly why they lost our business.

It may not have any effect, but I'm not the kind of person to sit idly by and watch the world swirl merrily down the toilet.
At least I can sleep at night knowing that I did something, instead of sitting here doing nothing.

 

[Lessifer]

I think most of us are fairly respectful when we vape. That being said, if there were a bunch of vapers sitting at a cafe patio blowing giant clouds like all the shirtless youtubers out there, I wouldn't be too happy to sit next to them, especially if I was eating. I vape, I don't mind vapor around me, but if I'm eating I don't want to smell whatever it is you might be vaping and I want to be able to see my food.

 

[DC2]

That being said, if there were a bunch of vapers sitting at a cafe patio blowing giant clouds like all the shirtless youtubers out there, I wouldn't be too happy to sit next to them...

These are probably the same types of douchebags that would be sitting their talking about their weekend.

I'm sure their conversation would be loud, obnoxious, and full of cuss words...
Not to mention explicit descriptions of how they felt about that one chick in the short skirt.

There is no law preventing them from acting like that.
But we can't vape.

 

[Lessifer]

Maybe they just had quite a few complaints about it? Something must have happened for them to actually come out with a corporate policy about it. Eh, whatever, buy starbucks, don't buy starbucks, be like me and use the drive thru and you can vape in your car.

 

[Berylanna]

I have enough common courtesy to only vape where smoking is allowed. Just because no studies have been done to make sure vaping doesn't create a health risk doesn't mean vapers should have the right to vape outside the doors let alone inside. Nothing really makes vapers special. We just don't stink anymore. Just saying....

That's true. Vaping emits the same kinds of things that cooking food and coffee steam contain. We should NOT be allowed to vape anywhere that hot food or hot coffee are forbidden.

I'll come back to Starbucks if they EITHER:

1. Rescind the no-vaping policy for their patios, or
2. Stop grinding and heating all things in their stores. Serve iced-coffee from canned concentrate only, and sanwiches.
(But NOT PB&J because a lot of people have peanut allergies.)

 

[grad2003amd]

Maybe they just had quite a few complaints about it? Something must have happened for them to actually come out with a corporate policy about it. Eh, whatever, buy starbucks, don't buy starbucks, be like me and use the drive thru and you can vape in your car.

I just LOL'd....

 

[Frankenmizer]

Starbucks is a big corporation that won't go anywhere near a potential lawsuit involving vaping, it's complete lack of FDA evaluations, etc.

I don't blame them at all.

If I were a betting man, I'd put good money on vaping not being any more of an acceptable risk than smoking in restaurants, etc. in our lifetimes at a minimum...maybe in the 22nd century, but not in the 21st.

 

[zoiDman]

There is also the Issue of Perception is Reality.

You go into someplace where Smoking is Not Allowed. You look across the Room. Some Dude (or Dude-et) raises something to their lips, Sucks on it and then blows out what to 95% of the people of the World see to be Smoke.

What do you Expect people to Think?

Most people don't say anything to Mangers or Write Letters. They just don't come back and give that place their Money. Starbucks knows this.

Don't get me wrong. Vaping isn't Smoking. But Perception can be Reality also.

My problem with Starsucks isn't their Indoor Policy on Vaping, it's their Open Air, 20 Feet from their Building Policy. 20 Feet onto Property they May or May Not Own Policy.

That and their Coffee is Way Overpriced for what you get.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

Since I only go in, order, and go out.. This really doesn't bother me..

Plus they are 2nd Amendment friendly..

 

[DC2]

If I were a betting man, I'd put good money on vaping not being any more of an acceptable risk than smoking in restaurants, etc. in our lifetimes at a minimum...maybe in the 22nd century, but not in the 21st.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

 

[Petrodus]

Don't anticipate a day coming ... anytime soon
where you will see this sign where there are smoking bans

NO SMOKING
E-SMOKING WELCOMED HERE

 

[zoiDman]

Don't anticipate a day coming ... anytime soon
where you will see this sign where there are smoking bans

NO SMOKING
E-SMOKING WELCOMED HERE

I think that day Will come.

It just is a Few Years down the Road.

 

[Berylanna]

I think that day Will come.

It just is a Few Years down the Road.

There's a narrow time window.

The only time such a change could take place is while vaping is getting well-known but smoking is still common. Once smoking is gone, there will be no motivation to welcome vapers.

 

[LibertariaNate]

I don't know why all of us that love our vapes don't make a little noise and show our displeasure with companies like Starbucks banning Ecigs from not only inside, but 20 FEET around their store! There have been no real studies that have shown Second Hand Smoke danger and the only ones that did were faked, and if we let companies just walk all over us, then what are we left to do? Go to the smelly Smoking areas in Disneyland, The Airports, Baseball, Football, etc? I stopped smoking for my health and to not ever have to smell that odor on my clothes and now we are being FORCED to go backwards and HAVE second hand smoke ourselves by being put back into a category that is not true, that our vaping is Tobacco based and that we are causing harm to people.
Please let me know if anyone would like to make our voice known and we can go from there, let's get in the news in a positive way, as a powerful group, and that is the only way we can be heard.

Voice your displeasure with Starbucks. Go ahead and boycott, but it won't make a lick of difference. No one is forcing you vape. If you want to vape while visiting an establishment like Starbucks, you're welcome to do so... with the smokers in the designated area away from the building.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I honestly hope the day does come that the PV is commonly accepted everywhere .. but I am skeptical it will happen .. I belong to the group that thinks "If it looks like smoke, the 80% of non-smokers are going to complain" ..

 

[Petrodus]

Smoking will never again be sociably accepted
E-smoking will some day be ... reluctantly sociably tolerated.

 

[zoiDman]

There's a narrow time window.

The only time such a change could take place is while vaping is getting well-known but smoking is still common. Once smoking is gone, there will be no motivation to welcome vapers.

I can Only Speculate what the Future of Vaping will look like. The FDA will determine that. And I haven't seen much to Indicate just how e-Cigarettes, or More Importantly - e-Liquids, are going to be Regulated.

But I think one thing I call say with Confidence is that Smoking Cigarettes is something that will Never Go Away.

The percentage may shift to More people using e-Cigarettes, but I believe there will Always be a Segment of Cigarette Smokers.

 

[zoiDman]

I honestly hope the day does come that the PV is commonly accepted everywhere .. but I am skeptical it will happen .. I belong to the group that thinks "If it looks like smoke, the 80% of non-smokers are going to complain" ..

This, I think, about sums it up.

 

[zoiDman]

Smoking will never again be sociably accepted
E-smoking will some day be ... reluctantly sociably tolerated.

I think I e-Cigarettes were viewed as something like the Patch, a means for a person who has the Desire to Quit Completely, that the View of e-Cigarette use would be Different.

But as long as it is Viewed as just a Switch from Burning Tobacco to Inhaling Nicotine that there will Always be Reluctance.

 

[Berylanna]

Voice your displeasure with Starbucks. Go ahead and boycott, but it won't make a lick of difference. No one is forcing you vape. If you want to vape while visiting an establishment like Starbucks, you're welcome to do so... with the smokers in the designated area away from the building.

WHAT designated area? Oh, the middle of the street?

I sent them my Starbucks card cut in half and the "free coffee" coupon from a storebought bag of Starbucks coffee, which is what I was brewing until that announcement came out. I told them I had no objection to forbidding vaping indoors, but that forbidding it on the patios, considering that it WOULD be safe to vape indoors, is sending a bad message to the public.

And I would bet someone (some ONE!) $100 that it was NOT customer complaints about vaping that engendered this policy, but a combination of customer complaints about SMOKING on the patios combined with some ANTZ lobbying.

I told them until they rescind the outdoor part of this, bye-bye. They responded that they passed my concerns up to mgmt, but that I should be aware that sometimes their corporate policies are driven by customer complaints. I noticed they did NOT say this one was.

Will it make a difference? I don't know. But your local independent coffee roaster WILL notice the change. So, change.