How about some new lavatube discussion?

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ByeByeCoffinNails

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With all the RMSgate hooha which I am cynical about, I hope some of the testing batch will be checked for RMS. The one thing that concerns me is if you cannot dial the voltage low enough to adapt to any PWM issues.

If it is a volt higher than the numbers as has been suggested, getting a bottom coil CE3 (which even at SR loves 3.7v but dies at 4.5) to fire might be interesting!

I really feel for you guys having had so many of these issues come at you.

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Thanks guys, we are going to be testing them soon and checking the numbers.

Here is the price and the kit items:
Pricing:
device only: $79.99
Kit: $109.99
Kits includes:
(1) New LAVATUBE 2.0
(1) Black cushioned LAVATUBE carry case
(1) AW IMR High Drain 18650 rechargeable LiMN battery
(1) xtar WP2 II multi-charger
(1) Black Swirl Acrylic Drip Tip
(1) 3.0 ohm High Resistance LAVATUBE Atomizer
 

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Wait and grab a VV twist is what I would reccomend. At 25$ for 3.2 to 4.8 volts. You can throw on a 2.0ohm atty or carto and experience 3.2 volts at 2 ohms =5.12 watts all the way up to 4.8 volts at 2 ohms = 11.52 watts. Quite a nice range especially depending on the carto or atty.

Also the twist has a 2.5 amp limit meaning yoiu can hit a 1.9 ohm carto/atty at 4.8 an be getting 12 watts.

I hope this helps you. I just personally have used L rider products and eagerly await this new LT from a new distributor.

I recently just got a joyetech ego-t 2 mod and a new red 650 mah twist so I am good now.

The Ego-T mod v. 2 is amazing. It has two modes, one is direct voltage so whatever the battery is at and the other is ego PWM 3.3-3.7v pulsing.

The best thing is that with a 2600 mah batterry, I easily get 2-4 days without a new for recharging. It has never yet died so that is saying something. I usually charge every 2 days but went 3 or 4 days without charging(can;t remember exactly and it was still doing strong). I like the straight DC mode so try to charge it every night to keep a constant 4.0-4.2v going.

Thanks for the update Joe, I know that you want a failproof model.

On a side note, it is always possible to make updates after the initial one is realeased as that is often the case with 1st gen products. The Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 look alot different and the insides are alot different from the original, but the early adopters were happy and so are the late adopters.

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Thanks Joe OOOOMMMMGGG. sorry i have had a lava tube chrome in and out of my basket all bloody day oh sorry whilst i am on can you fix it so the usa discount coupons work on uk site .. haha i am very new and really fancy a vv vape so what do i do get chrome kit now or wait for this new one?????

just picked up the new chrome one.... (2nd chrome i have bought and own two black lavatubes as well.... the increase in the amp limit is very noticable with a lower ohm carto, tank, and the ohm checker is spot on. and yes i will still be buying the 2.0 lavatube as well.
 

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Have no doubt about that, most vendors are. They publish the specs the supplier provides them with. However I may have been wrong about this V4 Epic Storm, hope so.

Don't have that much experience with L-Riders honesty but I'm aware of a couple others promoting 4amp units that are actually 3amp units. Young June has been doing it for months and Smoktech advertises their Gripper at 4amp and it is actually 3amp.

I hope L-Rider is coming out with a 4amp unit, would buy one in a minute.

As I understand it the LT V2 started out at 4amp and was cut back to 3amp which took me out of their market.

Errol
If an Epic Storm 4 is the same as a Lambo 4.0 then no, it does not live up to the manufacturer's/rep's specs. Maxes out at roughly 2.5 amps and if it's true they're using the TI chip I read somewhere, it won't even go higher than 5.5V, and it struggles under voltage with both low resistance attys (amperage limit) and high resistance attys (no idea on this end). It does do a good job maintaining voltage under load with "middle of the road" resistance attys (2.0-2.4 Ohm), staying spot on from 3.0-4.7 set voltages throughout the entire battery's charge.

I really don't know what these reps think they accomplish with outright lying to retailers about the specs of the units they're trying to sell, and we need to find a way to make it stop. Retailers are either being douches (offering warranties which are probably even illegal -- at least in the EU, products sold, unless classified as consumables or disposables, have to come with a 2 year warranty for manufacturing defects) or taking the hit and eating the losses because of shady business tactics on the other side of the supply chain.

If they can't compete with each other in terms of build quality, total power delivered, features, voltage accuracy under load, etc do they really think lying will give them an edge? When people start reading that the product doesn't live up to what was advertised, that's basically it. So why bother? Or is this game about getting the retailer's money with those initial orders when they know that with most reps, it's damn near impossible to get a refund (typically, from what little I know, they'll give you "credit" on a subsequent purchase)? Because if that is the case, then our retailers really need to stop doing business with them altogether, or negotiate better conditions for when they fail to deliver on their promises.

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As for the actual Lavatube 2.0, by Volcano.. I really wish I could get excited with it, but the aesthetics of it just don't do it for me (hey, I hate how the ProVari looks too, so...). You started with a sleek design with v1.0, don't get why you decided to go with such a beefier look for v2, it's too wide, especially for roughly the same length, the connection end (especially with the lanyard hole) is hideous, the indentations on it make it look a bit cheap and both colors I saw look like they're made of cheap plastic -- which is tragic because I don't doubt their build quality is on par with the best mods out there. Yeah, I know that it's possible I'd change my mind if I saw one/got to use one personally, but for $80 (plus shipping?) just for the unit, it's too big of a risk to take and even though this is mostly aesthetics, hardly the most important thing in a VV mod, it does count for something.

I'm giving it a pass, hoping you'll do well enough to do a v3 sometime in the (near) future, at which point I really hope you come back with a sleek-looking kick ... mod that I'd be proud to own. Best of luck in the meantime, Joe, especially with all these little hiccups you've been having.
 

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Aloha Snowball,

I am sorry you don't like the new look of the LT 2.0. Our redesign was in the efforts to fix all the issues people reported with the 1.0. In comparison of the 2 the 2.0 is not really all that much bigger around then the 1.0 and it feels much more comfortable in the hand. They are not made of plastic. The Tube body's are made of a thick wall aluminium tube. There are no more end caps as the device unscrews in the middle now, so there are no more worries of the end caps breaking.

I hope that helps clear up some of your doubt on this device.
 

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I'm giving it a pass, hoping you'll do well enough to do a v3 sometime in the (near) future, at which point I really hope you come back with a sleek-looking kick ... mod that I'd be proud to own. Best of luck in the meantime, Joe, especially with all these little hiccups you've been having.

I like the tri-button and screen layout of V2, but I'm not too wild about the stubby appearance either, but I'd buy it in a minute if they had stuck with the 4amp unit they were initially testing. There must be some complicated technical issue in going from a 3amp to a 4amp unit. Maybe a V3 will solve both of our issues. :)

Errol
 
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I like the tri-button and screen layout of V2, but I'm not too wild about the stubby appearance either, but I'd buy it in a minute if they had stuck with the 4amp unit they were initially testing. There must be some complicated technical issue in going from a 3amp to a 4amp unit. Maybe a V3 will solve both of our issues. :)

Errol
Here's hoping! :)

@Joe: I know it's not plastic, when I saw how thick the wall is on FieldOfVapor's review it was clear the 2.0 was well engineered (maybe over-engineered?), and I did say I had no doubt the build quality was there. That's kinda my point, it looks to me a lot cheaper than it really is, when you usually see the opposite: something looking really good, only to break apart not too long after. Anyway, it was just an opinion of the aesthetics you went with and a sincere hope that you try a different (more "premium" look?) direction next time.

Regardless, I hope you do well with this model and don't give up on trying to shake things up in the vaping world -- despite your issues with L-Rider turning around and underselling your design to other retailers, you started a revolution in the "low-cost" VV market that we're all benefiting from and I won't forget that anytime soon. Was hoping to repay you with a purchase of the 2.0 but... So, like Errol, I'm looking forward to a well-built, 4-amp, super-sleek-looking, Vrms tuned 3.0.. Deliver it and I'm down for two (or more if the selection of colors warrants it). ;)
 

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Aloha Snowball,

I am sorry you don't like the new look of the LT 2.0. Our redesign was in the efforts to fix all the issues people reported with the 1.0. In comparison of the 2 the 2.0 is not really all that much bigger around then the 1.0 and it feels much more comfortable in the hand. They are not made of plastic. The Tube body's are made of a thick wall aluminium tube. There are no more end caps as the device unscrews in the middle now, so there are no more worries of the end caps breaking.

I hope that helps clear up some of your doubt on this device.

I actually like the looks of it, and can't wait to get one, but unfortunately I want a red one. I think that was one of the colors you mentioned you will have later on.
 

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Major delay, due to we are having to completely reprogram the chipset.

As it has been shown that many of the PWM VV mods do not output voltages correctly due to them being tuned to Vavg and not Vrms. So the lower range is actually outputting higher voltages than it should be. We checked ours and it needs to be re-tuned.

The Lavatube 2.0 will not be at Vapercon and has been delayed

A date for the release will not be given until we are 100% satisfied . We are sorry for any inconvenience this has caused

We are doing our best to make sure things are perfect before we release these. We do not want to release a sub par device or one with issues.
 

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Joe,
I appreciate what you are going through and respect your commitment to get the product right. Personally, I am going to buy a twist or something similar to hold me over until your product comes out. One reason is the respect I just mentioned but also selfishly, I know I will be getting a product that has had all the bugs worked out already and in this day and age that is something rare. I did decide to wait for the colors (Blue, for me) and when you get closer to release please update us about whether the plan is the same to go with black and gunmetal first and to follow with the colors shortly after. At that time I will decide again (depending on how my temporary purchase is holding up) whether I will wait for blue again. Thanks and good luck!!
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Major delay, due to we are having to completely reprogram the chipset.
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As it has been shown that many of the PWM VV mods do not output voltages correctly due to them being tuned to Vavg anms. So the lower range is actually outputting higher voltages than it should be.
We checked ours and it needs to be re-tuned.

The Lavatube 2.0 will not be at Vapercon and has been delayed

A date for the release will not be given until we are 100% satisfied . We are sorry for any inconvenience this has caused

We are doing our best to make sure things are perfect before we release these. We do not want to release a sub par device or one with issues.
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I can't believe this device keeps being delayed, delayed and delayed some more! This thing was suppose to be released all the way back in late July and here we are in October now and still another delay has popped up after the paint issue? I think people have a right to be annoyed with this, this is just flat out absurd now! Sorry for the rant but this whole thing caused me major issues...I sold my other device first week of August so I could use that money to purchase the new LT 2.0 because I only need one device, during the wait I just used my Magma (which is not easy to use once you have used a VV device) then weeks I sat back waiting, waiting and waiting...delay after delay after delay...then you announce "it's a paint issue" and we have to wait more (so I ordered another device because I could not wait any longer) now it's even worse and we have to wait longer.

Not to be rude but it was the fault of Volcano for releasing the release date of this device months ago (and yes it was released by JoeVolcano at one of the vape gatherings live on video), getting everyone all worked up about it and then disappointing everyone. Now they want to know why people are so upset with them and act we the customers, are the problem. We have a right to be, I am furious with this and the problems it has caused me. I made decisions based on the video back in July and now have regretted it ever since, you can't blame your customers for that.
 
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