Growing tobacco is also, in most places, illegal without some form of "license", for the same reason that making moonshine is illegal. The gub-ment don't get no taxes!
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Growing tobacco is also, in most places, illegal without some form of "license", for the same reason that making moonshine is illegal. The gub-ment don't get no taxes!
When I got into vaping I didn't realize it was becoming a political issue. I just don't get why it's such a big deal. I've tried to quit smoking cigarettes numerous times and I'm only 33. The only method I was even the least bit successful with was the Nicotine nasal spray. Works really well, a little too well. It had some nasty side effects. Sinus infections, bloody nose, almost losing your sense of smell. Not pleasant at all. Fast forward to last Christmas, I was spending time with my dad, he kept hinting that he wanted me to at least look at vaping. Reluctantly I checked it out. Haven't smoked a cigarette since. My teeth are whiter, I don't stink like a dirty cigarette .... all the time, I can go to a session at the skatepark and not end up winded or have to go outside to smoke and I have saved so much money. I kept track of how much I spent smoking and was able to save enough to get my iTaste VTR(Which I LOVE) I've heard and read so many stories about peoples positive experiences. There's proof all over the place, yet it seems like they ignore that, especially when it comes to the $$ the pharmaceutical and tobacco industry will lose. I really hope they don't come down too hard. I would be willing to spend a little more, because it will more than likely be less than what I spent on my cigarette habit. I guess time will tell..
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Cite please. Where in the US or Canada does growing tobacco for personal use require a license?
... and until you put it in perspective against cigarettes. At average prices, that's roughly 2 cartons.
lol- me too. I've dropped my nic to 10 and am considering 8 soon. I mix for 5 people and I think I'm pushing an 8 year supply of base alone and that's assuming everyone stays at their preferred level.
I don't care about wasting flavor I don't like. $2-5 for a 10ml flavor vial doesn't make me cry when it gathers dust. I probably have 40 that I'll never touch again. I'll end up happily giving them away before long. I probably have enough go to recipes to keep my circle happy indefinitely but I always a have a little lineup going of test batches. It's a fun hobby no matter which way you slice it. No matter how much you waste with DIY it will always be far cheaper than premix.
uhm, home brewers, home wineries, home distilleries abound mate. You can do all you want for your personal consumption. You cannot sell your product without paying the piper. ~legally
Exactly, revenuers and the gubment cracking down on moonshiners was a thing from prohibition.
Tobacco growing for personal use is not regulated by the ATF. Tobacco growing may be regulated or require special permits in some states. If a large portion of a states agricultural activities consist of tobacco they may regulate "hobby" growing as a means to control any unwanted tobacco specific antagonists. Bugs, disease, etc.
Much the same the way hobby growing of cotton is banned in areas of some states. You can't have some hobbyist releasing a swarm of bole weevils that destroy commercial production.
So did any of those "high profile" companies go out of business as a result?
They can file suit in a Utah state court they want; a Utah court has no jurisdiction outside of Utah.
Of course, they could file suit in the US District Court in Salt Lake city, but I think chances are pretty good that any federal judge would tell them: You have no standing here because it's not our job to enforce Utah's state laws. Firearms are a different animal; there are numerous federal laws regulating them, which gave Bloomy some semblance of standing in federal court. But unless/until there are federal laws and/or regulations of e-cig products, I don't see a federal suit going anywhere at all.
Disclaimer: I am not an attorney.
They may abound but they aren't legal in every state. Virginia won't let me distill and I've checked the law. I believe I would have to get a license and realized it was WAY to much trouble and just dropped the idea.
My understanding is that distilling ethanol with the intent of making a beverage is still illegal under federal law.
This thread got me thinking... I just added up what I've spent just on juice in the last six months.
I'm pretty sure that money would have bought me about two or three year's worth of DIY fixings.
Ugh. I need to start cruising the DIY threads.
I'm pretty sure that money would have bought me about two or three year's worth of DIY fixings.
Ugh. I need to start cruising the DIY threads.
Definitely that and I have some links to thrifty buys in a blog I made yesterday
I was going to respond to your post, but ncpatches beat me to it.
No you're not! DIY is not rocket science. I've only been doing it for about 3 months and have only had 1 juice that was not vapable and got flushed. Out of more than I can count, that's not a bad ratio.
The thing with DIY is to NOT expect to be able to recreate commercial juices, it's damned near impossible. But you can make juices that are close, tastes good, gives a nice, full vapor and cost you next to nothing. Plus being able to reduce you nic level whenever you are so inclined.
As long as you aren't so picky, that XXX juice is the only thing you will vape, then yeah, you're screwed. No reason to be.
Use your imagination and go for it! With a little practice and patience, you'll be amazed at how good your DIY juice is.
Exactly. I started by mixing commercial juices with each other and occasionally adding another flavor to one. I never tried to recreate one. I now have a few staples that I always keep stocked. I sometimes mix these with each other. They are complex mixes of 3 to 5 flavorings. I also have a few one or two flavor mixes I like and can add to the staples for variety. I'm always experimenting with one or two new flavorings. Not that I have to, it's just that I enjoy the experimenting.
DIY is easy and it's very inexpensive. You can get into it with an investment of around $40. The way I see it if you can cook a meal you can do this. If you can bake a scratch cake, you're way ahead of this game.
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I dropped to 0mg nic as soon as possible,,,I DIY all my omg nic juices now,,,otherwise,,,,,,nothing.
If they are banned outright, I'll be picketing washington, otherwise,,,,I'll abide by the law concerning where I can vape.
I'm more concerned that buying online will be curtailed, making it harder and more expensive to vape,,,,,,,if that happens, RBAs here I come.
If they are banned outright, I'll be picketing washington, otherwise,,,,I'll abide by the law concerning where I can vape.
I'm more concerned that buying online will be curtailed, making it harder and more expensive to vape,,,,,,,if that happens, RBAs here I come.
I clicked on the "Blog Entries" link under your avatar and got nothing... Help?
It took the gov 10 years to get prescription drugs off the Internet. We're good for at least a decade.
If you have enough juice to last you 10 years, I would hold off on buying any more. AFAIK, mixed juice is unlikely to last 10 years no matter how you store it. If you do not have it in appropriate cold storage, in the correct bottles and filled correctly, my bet is none of it will go much past 5 years.
What lasts a long time is PG and VG, with PG the winner for staying power. PG with nic added can be put in the freezer and AFAIK, will last at least a decade. Some of the nic will be lost, maybe most of it after ten years, but that's a long time for someone to wean themselves off of it
you click the number next to where it says blog entries
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/mowgli/5804-my-diy-costs.html
If you have enough juice to last you 10 years, I would hold off on buying any more. AFAIK, mixed juice is unlikely to last 10 years no matter how you store it. If you do not have it in appropriate cold storage, in the correct bottles and filled correctly, my bet is none of it will go much past 5 years.
What lasts a long time is PG and VG, with PG the winner for staying power. PG with nic added can be put in the freezer and AFAIK, will last at least a decade. Some of the nic will be lost, maybe most of it after ten years, but that's a long time for someone to wean themselves off of it
IIRC - Kurt (I think) said it loses about 1mg/year or so. That's almost negligible in 100mg IMO
You could very well be correct Mowgli. I was working from my memory of nic degradation from Madvapes' testing. Here is their data. I thought the 'Room Temp Office' results were the numbers for in the fridge. So, at room temperature, out of sunlight, you lose about 10% a year. They stopped adding data after four months and by then there was no loss from the cold stored samples.
So, is what you remember from Kurt's data that cold stored nic base loses 1% per year?
I don't really agree with not being able to recreate commercially available juices. There may be a few you cannot clone, but the overwhelming majority use the same exact flavor ingredients which are available to the hobby DIY.
We have one shop here in GR which has a fairly large national following, and I have been able to copy every single one of the bakery and fruit flavors he makes. The tobacco's may be a lot trickier, but I don't do tobacco flavorings.
There are hundreds if not thousands of recipes available on this forum as well as with some of the vendors of flavors. Start a blending club and make new friends.
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