How are you preparing for Vaping Armageddon?
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You know... seldom do I read a long thread in its entirety. I just have to say it's refreshing to be amongst folks with a clear understanding of self-serving politics, double-speak, hidden agendas, greed and just "reality" in general. Most of you just make too much sense for your own good. Be careful with that. 
I was a-thinking; perhaps it's due to the combination of carbon-monoxide free and oxygen rich blood, with a dash of nicotine mixed in, that enables me to do this thing... Anyway, I was a-thinking that in the time I have before I'm not able to freely purchase and tank over 2ml, or any flavours, or a lot of other stuff as yet unknown, that it's just possible that I might get some of you guys, in imaginary places far away over the seas, quite a bit better. Perhaps we might even become good friends and communicate through channels other than this site, and we might even send each other 'Christmas cards.' I think I would like that.
We shall see I guess. As I'm new I have no friends or anything yet.
We shall see I guess. As I'm new I have no friends or anything yet.
No you're not! DIY is not rocket science. I've only been doing it for about 3 months and have only had 1 juice that was not vapable and got flushed. Out of more than I can count, that's not a bad ratio.
The thing with DIY is to NOT expect to be able to recreate commercial juices, it's damned near impossible. But you can make juices that are close, tastes good, gives a nice, full vapor and cost you next to nothing. Plus being able to reduce you nic level whenever you are so inclined.
As long as you aren't so picky, that XXX juice is the only thing you will vape, then yeah, you're screwed. No reason to be.
Use your imagination and go for it! With a little practice and patience, you'll be amazed at how good your DIY juice is.
Not totally....... the juice you like will still be available but cost "considerably" more $$$. I believe regulation (taxation) is imminent and store quantities of 100mg nic in the freezer.
I have a small army of mods that I am storing up. Partially because I am a hobbyist nutcase in almost anything I get into and partly because of the incoming taxes. Some states have started clamoring for excessive taxes on hardware as well as the e-juice.
I DIY a small amount of liquids and continue to buy some of the juices I enjoy. I am putting a litter a month of 100mg nic in the freezer. I told my self I would stop at 4 liters.... Maybe 6 will do.
PG/VG are way to common to be of a concern, flavorings are going to be hard for them to target.
Having said that the reasonable side of things is starting to be heard, more research is coming to light. The unfortunate side to that is that when reason hits a revenue stream the revenue stream usually wins.
Our country is no longer such that fact, reason and freedom stand before all. All it takes is some poorly done partial research to be done and presented as fact to the sheeple for things to go awry.
I DIY a small amount of liquids and continue to buy some of the juices I enjoy. I am putting a litter a month of 100mg nic in the freezer. I told my self I would stop at 4 liters.... Maybe 6 will do.
PG/VG are way to common to be of a concern, flavorings are going to be hard for them to target.
Having said that the reasonable side of things is starting to be heard, more research is coming to light. The unfortunate side to that is that when reason hits a revenue stream the revenue stream usually wins.
Our country is no longer such that fact, reason and freedom stand before all. All it takes is some poorly done partial research to be done and presented as fact to the sheeple for things to go awry.
How am I preparing? 6 yrs worth of Nic in the freezer and learning how to rebuild heads and researching mech mods.
Vaper Moon sells a flashlight head to use on a 510 connection, effectively making your mod into a flashlight. FT also has a mod with a flashlight head you can use with it. There may be others.
So, the 510 connection can already be called a flashlight connection (not just an ecig connection).
We're just about covered. Except for the nicotine, of course.
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1 liter of 100 mg/ml nic is $140 ($112 when you can get a 20% off special). That is a lot of money. Until you consider that it's enough to last me 5 years (using 3 ml/day at 18 mg/ml).
Even for non-DIYers, companies can always sell just their flavor combinations. Then, all you need is nic, PG, and VG. MBV already sells their flavor combinations separate so that you can use their recipes and still DIY to save money.
What's likely to be taxed the most is cig-alikes and pre-made juice. That's going to make it very hard for smokers to start vaping. Most would likely just give up and keep on smoking.
But, eventually it's bound to come out ok. The worst I anticipate is a period of sporadic bans and taxes until everything settles down. That is, assuming people are willing to fight for what they believe in!
That fight might last a year or a decade. Who knows? I'm planning on being prepared for a decade.
DYI juice is really pretty simple. Not even close to rocket science. There are recipes and calculators and combination recipe/calculators all over.
Not really. If you live in a State that bans net sales of ecig supplies in the future and your juice is out-of-state, it won't be available... well unless you're lucky enough to know someone in another State without net bans who can purchase and mail it to you.
Well yah. This. I have people, I just feel sorry for the ones who don't.
I skipped a couple pages of this thread so I may be repeating some stuff. DIY is really easy depending on what you're chasing in flavor. I like tobacco type flavors the best and Hangsen kills them. I'll add some vanilla or cherry sometimes but they are excellent alone. I have 10 recipes I can vape all day without switching I'm not sure I'll ever get tired of them either. Mixing a single flavor recipe is super simple with a juice calc.
Also, just to simplify the math on how long a liter of 100mg lasts, here's some simple math:
You vape 3mls/day @ 18mg = 1.8ml of nic base for every 10ml of finished juice. 1000ml / 1.8 = 555 10ml bottles. That's 5,550 mls of juice. 5,550 / 3mls per day = 1,850 days or just over 5 years.
Spending less than $150 for nic and glass storage bottles today is a very very cheap price to pay for 5 years of complete freedom from regs.
Also, just to simplify the math on how long a liter of 100mg lasts, here's some simple math:
You vape 3mls/day @ 18mg = 1.8ml of nic base for every 10ml of finished juice. 1000ml / 1.8 = 555 10ml bottles. That's 5,550 mls of juice. 5,550 / 3mls per day = 1,850 days or just over 5 years.
Spending less than $150 for nic and glass storage bottles today is a very very cheap price to pay for 5 years of complete freedom from regs.
This brings up a whole new dilemma. I have a 10 year supply of juice/supplies and there are still so many vendors and flavors I want to try.
I am not sure that the flashlight heads will work well with the VV/VW PV's since most of them put out a pulse signal (33 hz, will be easily visible) which means that you will get some sort of glimmer. On a mech, it should be no problem.
Just to add. Local news had a story on e cigs. Had a lung doc that basically said we wont know anything is harmful with e cigs until we havesomeone that soley vapes for 30 years. He said you may want to ask a cardivascular doc. They did. He said nicotine is a stimulent but so is caffiene. He shook his head and said, I am not worried about them.
Hopefully good signs ahead and this silly armeggeadon stuff will end.
Hopefully good signs ahead and this silly armeggeadon stuff will end.
What would be cool is a way to extract nicotine from tobacco leaves WITHOUT concentrating it, and without having to do a "Breaking Bad". A procedure where the nic never got very concentrated, and where the solvents are reasonably safe to handle.
Tobacco is very easy to grow. (It's much more difficult to cure it properly, which is necessary if you want to smoke it). I've grown several crops, and it's grown commercially in Canada and Alaska, so contrary to what many think, it doesn't need a long growing season or southern climate. Kind of like tomatoes (which are in the same family). I have to remember to plant a few this year to refresh the seeds (one tobacco plant will make 100,000 or so seeds, they're microscopic) I even got some specialized tobacco seeds from the Gov't for free under the GRIN program (sadly, you can't do that any more. at least for tobacco seeds). ebay still has lots to choose from.
Anyway, there are all kinds of different procedures for extracting from plants, and many safe ones (alcohol extracts, water extracts, that kind of thing). Haven't seen any tobacco extracts (for nicotine, not flavor) that I would try. It's the missing piece in my Vapageddon strategy.....
Tobacco is very easy to grow. (It's much more difficult to cure it properly, which is necessary if you want to smoke it). I've grown several crops, and it's grown commercially in Canada and Alaska, so contrary to what many think, it doesn't need a long growing season or southern climate. Kind of like tomatoes (which are in the same family). I have to remember to plant a few this year to refresh the seeds (one tobacco plant will make 100,000 or so seeds, they're microscopic) I even got some specialized tobacco seeds from the Gov't for free under the GRIN program (sadly, you can't do that any more. at least for tobacco seeds). ebay still has lots to choose from.
Anyway, there are all kinds of different procedures for extracting from plants, and many safe ones (alcohol extracts, water extracts, that kind of thing). Haven't seen any tobacco extracts (for nicotine, not flavor) that I would try. It's the missing piece in my Vapageddon strategy.....
This same sheite happened with snus. Same conversation basically. Was banned by some dumb judge (they're all dumb) and then they figured out a way to tax the stuff and now it's $60 a roll. I really can't stand the way things operate on this planet.
Easily , buy A 50 gallon drum of Vg,Pg and 50 gallons of Nic. Also have many bottles of my favorite e juice stored Have to get my basement finished . The wife keeps asking why it looks like a lab lol . I say no its just all stainless for a more modern futuristic look plus I can just hose the whole thing down no more vacuuming ..think of all the hepa vac bags we won't have to buy ...plus the new hepa filtration will help come pollen season..she said oh wow thats awesome ..lol
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