Hungarian NGP Genesis PV

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jun0felix

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hmm, something went wrong with 5v: my batteries went low really fast, much too fast, and after 2 days the coil (just the canthal, not the wick) was completly spoiled with gunk :(

same wick, new coil with 1.7 ohm at 3.7v, everything's ok. i discovered how to unscrew the cap at the top of the battery case and like it (had to replace the spring) because you can adjust to the different sizes of batts.

good mod good vape, i am satisfied.



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Ok, so after a few days of the genisis. i have to say i love this thing. i took lofts advice and modded my vapor chamber hole 2 1/16th and it rocks. my coil is at around 1.7 with 3.7 batts and i love it. it vapes very well. little light on the th but thats ok. it chokes most of my friends, but for me its light, but i can deal with that cause the vapor is very good. modding the top cap made a huge difference. the oring around the topcap and the tank kept getting pushed out so i just pulled it off and it doesnt leak. so if anyone if having that issue. i dont have any leaking by pulling it. but i have to say for 85.00 shipped its fantastic. its moved to my go to pv very quickly.
 

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i took lofts advice and modded my vapor chamber hole 2 1/16th and it rocks.

where was that? i am interested because i thought the airhole might be a bit small... vapor production an throat hit are also subject of tuning the wick and coil (e.g. using different mesh and canthal... but i am still a newbie to mesh selfwicking.

but my NGP 4 works fine, actually with a bit less vape (still enough) and strong th.

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where was that? i am interested because i thought the airhole might be a bit small... vapor production an throat hit are also subject of tuning the wick and coil (e.g. using different mesh and canthal... but i am still a newbie to mesh selfwicking.

He had mentioned it to me in the ecf irc chat, but also in pms. it makes the world of difference. also. after i posted the oring not leaking. i decided to vape some PG Hype from Ave and it leaked like crazy. lol so i used a smaller oring and it fits under the cap like it supposed to now.
 

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Thanks to some help from a friend, looks like I am on track now. Thanks!!! Look fwd to a confirmation email & a NGP Ring switch 18650/18350... (I had mistakenly asked for a 4.1 NGP because of a review I had seen, so possibly there was some confusion).

is this friends help just for you or can he help others out?
whats the secret to getting one?
 

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I'm in the same boat along with a bunch of others......to bad these guys are too busy to respond to us cause they could be doing a whole lot more business thats for sure but maybe they don't want/need it..........:(

I need a friend like jollyrogers has I guess to get through to these guys cause I have no problems waiting it out for a month if need be.
 

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I got mine yesterday. Sliding ring switch, 18650 & also got the 18350 tube. Mine wick/coil was not setup, but that was expected and agreed upon as they are short on wick material. NGP provided a wick, kanthal, a drip tip that fits well, and spare o-rings. The extra tube comes with a little black screw in plug. At first I was not sure what it was for, but it also has an o-ring on it and screws down into your spare tube. This is so you don't lose your ring switch (there is one on each tube) on your extra tube (again genius).

This is really a nice setup. It has the new polycarbonate tank, the top piece slides on and is held in place with an o-ring, so you can rotate the location of the hole. The flavor is pretty intense as is the TH.

In 18350 mode, the setup is the same size as an OrionV2 in 18350, but so much lighter and has a bigger tank. In 18650 mode, it is the same size as the Zenesis mini, but so much lighter. So the aluminum has some pros here. Makes it easier to carry without having a pound of SS in your pocket.

The ring switch is genius. Perfect for the 18650 tube. And with a little getting used to, works great using my middle finger when in 18350 mode. However, though it worked perfectly when brand new, once I got a tank vaped through it, I started getting intermittent firing. I cleaned things up, gave it a polish, and a little no-oxit, and it was better. So no-ox or even noalox is in order. Regardless, keep it clean so things are smooth and make good contact and it fires just fine.

The polycarbonate tank. Very interesting. The fill hole is EXACTLY the size to allow an 18 gauge fill needle. It is in fact a completely sealed unit other then the wick and fill holes. I don't vape anything that would break it, so not worried there, and it seems pretty tough. The posts use phillips screws, screwed into metal standoffs, that are in turn secured into the tank, with wiring down to the contacts at the base of the tank. The tank design is incredible. Wick hole is large, so it can take a rather thick wick ;) The thing here that bothers me is there is a "riser" that one of the terminals sits on. Its top is even with the other terminal and the effect is that the coil sits above this. I am not sure of the risers purpose, I think it was so the post could be stepped up higher then the other, but it wraps around the wick somewhat. Sort of like a "C". Then stops at the base of where you can start the bottom coil. With the location of the air hole, I feel this is impeding airflow to the coil, which in turn is cutting down on vapor production, but also it increases TH & flavor. I am looking at this a little and may mod it.

Draw through the 1mm (I had to clean mine up) air hole is a little tighter then I like, however that is the way it should be. Flavor is INTENSE, and TH is good. I like mine a little more airy of a draw, and producing a little more vapor, but it is a fine line you walk here. I don't recommend drilling this top cap out any more then it is already. If you have to, goto 1.2mm & stop there. Ask me how I know, and I like an open draw!

I think the guys at NGP have done a really nice job on this!!! I would recommend it to anyone that doesn't want to spend a lot of $$$ on a hybrid. It vapes just great, is very easy to setup, and the ring switch & tank designs are very innovative. Hat's off to the Hungarian builders!!!

I'll throw up some pics later comparing it to a ZAG on a GGTS and an Orion...

ETA: OK finally got it going the way it should!!! Vapor & flavor are awesome now!

Air hole position in relation to the coil is pretty critical. I was not getting the vapor production I should, and tried it with the cap just sitting on the o-ring. It was better, a lot better. So because I didn't want to fill and drill the top cap, I ground down one side of the "C" to allow better air flow to the coil on that side. It was great with the cap sitting on it, but still not with the cap seated. SO, I wrapped a new coil, but this time I came off the short post and then went down with it, so the coil was about 1/8" lower. Bingo. Works great. So when I build another, I will just wrap it around the the lower post, then up to the screw so my coil sits right across from the air hole.
 
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The polycarbonate tank. Very interesting. The fill hole is EXACTLY the size to allow an 18 gauge fill needle. It is in fact a completely sealed unit other then the wick and fill holes.

hi there, nice you got your NGP setup, seems you are lucky :) i fill the tank with a syringe through the wick. very easy, no overflow of juice, good to maintain the wick or coil (if necessary) ...
 

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A little size comparison (sorry photos are uploaded here, so not the best, plus I am tethering my phone and 3G and my internet are down!).

Notice the black plug for the extra NGP battery tube... It keeps you from losing the switch ring and will hold a battery :)

Also, the GGTS in 18350 mode next to the NGP 18560 tube. That is a Z-Atty-G on the GGTSs, one in 18350 and one in 18650.
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Close-up size comparison between Orion and NGP, both in 18350 mode...
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Firing!!!
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