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j3000

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I think this is going to be my thing. Complaining about stuff, so here is the new complaint.

vaping etiquette,

I always was a considerate smoker never smoked in front of businesses. Picked up my cigarette butts to throw in the trash. Anyway the reason I'm talking about this I was watching a vaporer blowing huge clouds in people faces at the casino, and this really bothered me.
So I would like to hear your complaints about vapers etiquette, and hear your ideas on a rule book for vapers, to be more considerate of others and things we can do to support our vaping committee, basically so people don't think we are a bunch of douche bags..
 

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Vapers will likely become worse ... for us, smokers pretty much became polite smokers as soon as we realized everyone hated it.

Some Vapers have the, it’s not smoke, it can’t harm you, so too bad if you don’t like it.

I have to admit, I’m in my 50s now, however, if Vaping was around when I was a teenager ... I’d be chucking the most obnoxious grand daddy clouds wherever and whenever without a second thought.

So yeah, vaping isn’t just about quitting cigarettes anymore... it’s headed to the X-Games.
 

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and things we can do to support our vaping committee, basically so people don't think we are a bunch of douche bags..

That's gonna be tough. One of my favorite things to do to get out of a bad mood is to go down to the old folks home, sneak up on a granny and disconnect their oxygen and blow monster clouds into their breathing tubes. Some really seem to enjoy it but it can look douchey from the outside.
 
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Basically so far everyone is agreeing with me, I believe vaping saved my life, and I like to vape in public sometimes so people can ask me questions, and I admit I also stealth vape too especially if my wife is taking way too looooong at Walmart, I don't vape around little kids, even tho recent studies show it may not be harmful to them I just don't do it.. I just like to see common sense. Considering today most people seems to be lacking in.
 

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Vaping etiquette should mimic smoking etiquette imo. Just plain good manners.

+1!:thumbs:

Those who want to be respected must show the same for others, it's a two-way deal.:)

When I smoked, would always put it out prior to reaching the grand entrance, do the same with vaping. Those who decides to make the entrance a cloud for laughs makes our cause look bad, and fuels the anti-vaping crowd deeper than ever. One or a couple of clowns causes us more harm than the 25 or more who does the right thing. The only thing they're accomplishing is the eventual demise of their own freedoms, taking the rest of us down in the process.

I don't know much about a 'rule book' for those who vapes in public could be created, yet using common sense by being respectful and showing courtesy towards the rights of others has to be a #1 priority if there were to be one.:)

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Those who decides to make the entrance a cloud for laughs makes our cause look bad, and fuels the anti-vaping crowd deeper than ever. One or a couple of clowns causes us more harm than the 25 or more who does the right thing. The only thing they're accomplishing is the eventual demise of their own freedoms, taking the rest of us down in the process.

The asshats doing that are the teens who think they are entitled to do anything and everything they want and they don't care who it hurts, what the consequences are, or if they "ruin it for everyone".

A local Mexican food restaurant the wife and I frequent had a complimentary soft serve ice cream machine. It was a nice treat after dinner. One day we went in and noticed it was gone. When I inquired about why it was removed, I was informed that too many teens were letting it run onto the floor and laughing or putting their mouths directly under the nozzle and running it into their mouth. So they had to get rid of it. I would love to find these kids and take a belt to their :censored: the way their parents should have, but obviously didn't.
 
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A local Mexican food restaurant the wife and I frequent had a complimentary soft serve ice cream machine. It was a nice treat after dinner. One day we went in and noticed it was gone. When I inquired about why it was removed, I was informed that too many teens were letting it run onto the floor and laughing or putting their mouths directly under the nozzle and running it into their mouth. So they had to get rid of it. I would love to find these kids and take a belt to their :censored: the way their parents should have, but obviously didn't.

I agree, bad parenting combined with today's 'laws' that places the ones that wants to be good ones under the watch of Social Services or worse, probation or prison for 'child abuse'.:(

This is utter BS, even school principals can no longer use corporate discipline in most areas, and where applicable, must be granted permission from the parents first, who may be good or bad ones. This is an entirely different generation from when I grew up, even today's parents for the most part. Back in the day, it was respect our parents or authority (like it or not) or get or butts whacked, sometimes forced to cut our own switch from a tree for the job and it dang well better be one that we could feel. Or a paddling from the school principal on the spot, guilty or not.

It's unfortunate that establishments has to take away these extras like the ice cream machine you mention above, yet it's largely in part do to stupid laws that tells parents how to go about being such. These young punks are the way they are because parents fear their kids calling 911 after a just punishment. Or they don't care themselves and their kids are the same way. Sadly, my very own sister, 17 years younger than myself, we only lived under the same roof less than two years, had to place her own daughter in training school because she simply couldn't control her actions forcefully enough. To make matters worse, took two hearings within a year for that to happen, my sister spent the weekend in jail because the same wouldn't attend school regularly & no one knew it until she was charged.

So she then laid things out as it had to be, after getting out of jail & obtaining a family law attorney, handed her daughter to the State & told them to keep her until she was of mandatory age of release (18) or her attitude was adjusted, whichever happened first. Come a year's time, she was begging to come back home & promised to listen to her mom (their dad was already in prison, had been for a long time & still is). Ever since returning home, has been a model family member & a totally different person. Bottom line, the action worked out well for everyone and may very well had kept my niece out of prison as a young adult.:)

Unfortunately, not all parents has the backbone to do as my sister, she couldn't afford to lose her job over sitting in jail for contempt due to candy ... parenting laws, what was done to get my niece in line had to be. Now she has respect for her mother & others, as it should be for a near 16 year old.:)

Too bad that it cost near $2,000, a year of my niece's freedom & a lot of initial grief & healing on both sides to make the change. Is it a wonder why these youngster's does the way they do? Many parents doesn't have either the backbone, cares less, or lacks the cash layout to dish out the tough love these kids need. Parenting has been added to the 'money train' list of the local attorneys & the court system when dealing with a problem child. Our parents & especially grandparents would be laughing silly (or highly ......) at such nonsense in their days.

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This post in no way is in disagreement with the idea of being considerate when vaping!

Unfortunately, acceptable vaping lines have been drawn.....both by laws and self imposed. Thanks to the FDA proclaiming vape products as tobacco products, it seems to be included with the state's smoking regs. Here, that pretty much means at home, in my car, or in designated smoking areas. Sure, I can walk down the street and legally take a vape if nobody's close by, but I may still get the shout from the only person in sight, across the street that, "that's gonna kill you!" And that has actually happened to me, in a very small town of 1,000. At least when I'm in "the city", I'm only subjected to the hand waves and dirty looks. Although I try to practice "vaping etiquette", it just doesn't seem to even matter anymore.

The rather ironic and sad thing is, I and many/most other vapers started vaping to help us quit smoking..... hopefully to give us a longer and healthier life. By "only vaping where it is OK to smoke", forced or self imposed, we are subjected to second hand smoke when we want/need a vape. That could also be a push back to smoking for some. I guess we could always wait until there are no smokers around so we can stand there, vaping alone. That all just seems so counter-productive to me, especially with no evidence so far it is harmful to others.

So, vaping etiquette or not, inconsiderate cloud chasers or not, jerks or not.....the vaper's place in society has already been established. There's always a possibility of those lines being re-drawn. But are the odds higher for relaxing or tightening the restrictions?
 

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I don't know that it's all kids. I think there are vapers who think that it's "better" than smoking (and I certainly agree!) but in that assessment, think they can vape anywhere. It's unfortunate for the vaping community. I'm not talking about advocacy or anything like that, just vapers who seem to feel that because it is a "harm reduction" product they should get "vaper's privilege" to vape anywhere, as it was like that in the beginning.

When I chewed nicotine gum, I didn't shove it under picnic tables or otherwise "inflict" my habit on others. I don't demand that someone chew my "spent" gum. Etc.

So, vapers need to realize that the plumes coming out of their mouth make some people uncomfortable. I always cringe when I see someone "stealth" vaping in a restaurant. The rest of the world can smell too, oddly enough If vapers were more considerate in these matters (generally) I think there may have been less of a push to combing "vaping and smoking" into on whole. To me being in the smoker's area doesn't bother me, I never blow my vape where someone may have to walk through it, if someone (official or not) asks me to stop, I will, etc. It is common sense, but unfortunately, the folks making vaping "look bad" adult or child, is unfortunate.

Also, the "I can't vape with the smokers because it triggers me" argument was just made on another thread. Disturbing. But, ya'll know how I feel about "safe spaces." So, I find that argument particularly annoying. Didn't "Trigger" you much when you were sucking down a pack of smokes a day. Man up, etc.

Just my opinion as always....

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I think this is going to be my thing. Complaining about stuff, so here is the new complaint.

If I wanted to I could spend my whole life complaining about stuff. Very few people in this world do things just the way I think they should be done. One day I will be King of the World and then I can enforce my will on a planetary scale.

Until then...I'm going to hit my vape a couple of times, chill for a bit and then find something productive to do with myself.
 

stols001

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Knocking off complaining about everything really improved my life. Oh, I still HATE certain things, but I find if I later complain about them, I am focused on them longer.

With that said, I can still be a TOTAL complainer.

Also, as I have aged, I find myself more comfortable with "less" responsibility than more. One of my favorite sayings in college was, "Give me divine power and five minutes and I will get things sorted out." Yeah, at the time, I could barely keep my dorm room organized, and also, things tend to be more complicated than that. LOL. I prefer a more manageable scope of activities, these days, and managing my *own* behaviors is difficult enough and etc. Etc.

Anna
 

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I am at home most of the time, and I realize that I am fortunate that I don't have to use a "smoking" area all that often. But when I do find myself in those areas it reminds me how much better off I am that I am no longer smelling like that all the time and doing that to myself and everyone around me. Kinda keeps one humble....

On another note, a couple years ago at a Comic Con, I went outside for a vape and no one was smoking-it was all vapers.
 
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