I refuse to buy clones or fakes. Anyone else?

[gmb225]

My apologies to any mods that are having to work overtime because of this thread. Honestly, the way I tried to word the original post, I just expected a bunch of likes, and maybe a few replies from people that only buy legit versions of stuff.

dont sweat it man, we understand, its a bunch of nic addicts having a debate, going at it over life aint fare, and only the rich r intitaled. society will aways display its true color in the end. i dought anybody remembers where it started. did i meantion the pres has anounced another war? ill bet the economy takes another nose dive over it. hope it doent cost billions/day, and were griping about battery compartments that dont even have high tech electronics? i guess it will never end till im in a box facing the eastern sky!

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

-One bad kanger item out of 3-$400 dollars not bad knowing they will replace it with one better and this is a principal reason of the control of their products, How many products of a certain vendor had to be returned back to them for be in bad performance.

-Did you check before post this Shenzhen Kamry Technology Co., Ltd|E-Cigarette,Electronic Cigarette in the upper place of the page of kamry?, There are the patents of the brand products.

Still mad at FT eh? lol

 

[Zealous]

You can't freely import and sell fake Gucci bags... or can you? Can you even legally import them for your own enjoyment?

I'm pretty sure you can. I see all kinds of carts downtown where vendors are selling look a like gucci bags (and other types). of course you can tell they're not Gucci a) because they're super inexpensive & b) they don't look like they are as good of quality as a real gucci would be. But then they have the same style & appearance as a gucci though.

 

[fuadali9]

Still mad at FT eh? lol

I don`t get it

Could you please be more specific...

Is this your contribution to this forum?

 

[Butters78]

I think this thread needs some D nice!

Taking out you suckas and you don't know how I did it!

 

[Ref Minor]

I don`t get it

Could you please be more specific...

Is this your contribution to this forum?

He is right, your previous posts have made your position about FT clear, no hiding from that. I am not sure why you "don't get it" as it has been commented upon a number of times in numerous FT threads.

 

[Tony_B]

I'm pretty sure you can. I see all kinds of carts downtown where vendors are selling look a like gucci bags (and other types). of course you can tell they're not Gucci a) because they're super inexpensive & b) they don't look like they are as good of quality as a real gucci would be. But then they have the same style & appearance as a gucci though.

Soon, it will change. Councilwoman Margaret Chin wants to criminalize purchase of counterfeit goods  - NY Daily News

 

[mare ze dotes]

I buy both. I do vision and Joytech genuine as stated by the vendor. I do trust them more than the china option. But I buy china for my bits and pieces. My starter kit of nine month (eGo t2 upgrades) is getting old. I will replace them with brand name from a EFC registered vendor. Yet I do enjoy buying the cheepie stuff to have some thing to play with. One it works, two, it don't. No love lost.

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

I don`t get it

Could you please be more specific...

Is this your contribution to this forum?

My contribution to the forum? Seriously?

I suggest you take a moment to review ALL my posts since returning to the forum. I think you'll find i spend nearly ALL my time trying to help new members, and trying my best to answer questions.

You, on the other hand, contribute little to nothing that ive seen. Nearly all your posts are, in one way or another, part of some sort of crusade you have against Fasttech.

The most interesting part is FT did NOTHING to you, i read your WHOLE case before you edited it. Customs caused a problem and you didn't like that FT didn't immediately bend over backwards to solve a problem THAT WASN'T THEIR FAULT.

We get it, you hate FT. I would hope that your life has more substance than waiting for some clone/knockoff etc thread to come up, so you can rush in and spew more crap about how FT ruined your life.

*Mod's if this sounds harsh, i apologize, but i assure you this is as civil as i can be with this member, at this point*

 

[fuadali9]

He is right, your previous posts have made your position about FT clear, no hiding from that. I am not sure why you "don't get it" as it has been commented upon a number of times in numerous FT threads.

I totally agreed with the OP, I don`t buy clones, I did in ft because of lack of information of online shops, but after received the products i realized the rubbish of materials, All were gone to the waste basket and never order from them again.

Respect the topic of the OP Tony_B, We are NOT talking about ft precisely.

Also looking at your history, It looks like you are part of ft marketing, If you don`t like it then don`t get in, The same for xtwosm0kesx

 

[gmb225]

I think this thread needs some D nice!

Taking out you suckas and you don't know how I did it!

i know how u did it! just reminds me of why 4 y ago i packed up and moved 100 miles from the nearest city, and will live out the rest of my life away from it!!!

 

[Butters78]

i know how u did it! just reminds me of why 4 y ago i packed up and moved 100 miles from the nearest city, and will live out the rest of my life away from it!!!

Do I sense a tad of racism in your post? Lol

 

[gmb225]

this has really been good. i have been gluded to this thread since noon, and it has progressed faster than i could keep up with it. im sayin its a damn shame that we cant exchange blows thru the internet! gonna have to walk away now, but hope this thread is still here when i come home.

 

[Maggiemw]

I totally agreed with the OP, I don`t buy clones, I did in ft because of lack of information of online shops, but after received the products i realized the rubbish of materials, All were gone to the waste basket and never order from them again.

Respect the topic of the OP Tony_B, We are NOT talking about ft precisely.

Also looking at your history, It looks like you are part of ft marketing, If you don`t like it then don`t get in, The same for xtwosm0kesx

Having read your posts on many, many threads, I am very aware of your biases and crusade. Anyone who doesn't agree with you must be an FT fifth column agent. Uh, no. Just no.

Back on the OP's topic: Personally, I do my market research - a lot of market research - decide what I want, what the parameters are in terms of time and guarantees, and what my budget is. Then I go to where I can get the closest fit. Period.

Here comes my rant, be forewarned.

"Inexpensive" is not necessarily "cheap". "Generic" does not mean "fake".

I don't "get what I pay for", I "get what I bought."

I don't give a flying figtree for brands, misplaced economic "patriotism" or the snob factor. I'm too much of an old lady for that. I will skip a maximum number of middlemen with no qualms, am fiercely loyal to those who give me the service and quality I want, and boycott anyone who treats me badly.

Little old lady steps off soap-box.

 

[dw'struth]

-One bad kanger item out of 3-$400 dollars not bad knowing they will replace it with one better and this is a principal reason of the control of their products, How many products of a certain vendor had to be returned back to them for be in bad performance.

-Did you check before post this Shenzhen Kamry Technology Co., Ltd|E-Cigarette,Electronic Cigarette in the upper place of the page of kamry?, There are the patents of the brand products.

OK, one company has a few patents. Good! They should enforce them if they feel it is worth it to them. You see what else they have???

Drum-roll..........a Pro-Tank knock off! LMBO

Did you also see how they advertise their Pro-Tank knock-off......."New innovative design!"

 

[SirSteve]

Clones and knockoffs are one thing, outright counterfeit is another. The Chinese don't really honor copyright and patent laws, they even clone each other.

Look at how many Ego style batteries there are, some from high profile name Chinese suppliers. Joyetech was first to produce and name the Ego from what I understand. Kanger, Vision, Smoktech, all have Ego style batteries, along with many other companies. As long as they don't label them Joyetech, I'm not going to worry about it.

If you think you are going to get an original Kanger Protank for $5, then you may be interested in some ocean front property I have in Nevada.

 

[Dusif]

I think my money should go to the person who went through all the time, money and energy to design it. I think the people who take a mod, copy it, send the plans to China to have it reproduced with sub-par materials and processes is nothing more than THEFT.
I REALLY find it disturbing when the part was originally made in the USA and people are sending their money and business to another country.
Just ranting a little. I'm tired of people saying how cheap they are getting stuff from "a certain vendor" in a "certain Asian country" only to complain later about slow shipping, bad customer service and crappy parts. You get what you pay for IMHO.

i would LOVE to be able to buy the originals...
but heres the thing
i live in a country where for example the tax on:
a car is 180%
a motorcycle is 280%
my paycheck is AT LEAST 40% (depending on how much you earn it can rise all the way to 60%)

and living expenses are high priced as well

day care for my daughter is right about 1200$ a month
1 liter of gas for my car is right above 2$ when its REALLY cheap and ofc not premium
the cheapest burger at the golden seagull is about 2$ and is smaller than a fist

now... do you seriously think that i can afford to go buy a provari that costs right under 400$ or the cobra RBA clocking in at right below 200$ as the cheapest i could find where tax wouldn't make it 25%+30$ more expensive just for crossing the boarder?

or do you think imma go grab the first identical clone that i can find that costs less than 1/4th?


if an asian man can make a luxury item 90% cheaper and 100% identical to the original i call it a crime to sell the original...

 

[90quattrocoupe]

This is too hard to call. Everyone is going to have there own opinion. Everyone has to deal with effect of what they do.

For my wife and I, we try to buy Made in USA, anytime we can. It is a personal preference. We do this, because:

At least for a time the money stays in the States.
It helps to keep an American employed.
It supports my country.

That being said. I will buy a product that I like, no matter where it was made. But it has to be well made. It may cost me a little more, but I only plan on buying it once.

I have a Provari, but I also have a Joyetech Twist and a Sigelei Zmax flatop. As mentioned before, Zmax is kind of original and so is the Joyetech. If they prove not to last, I won't buy from that company again.

I have carto tanks, all made in the USA. All my juice is Made in the USA(just 3 juices).

My Protanks are made in China, along with the Davide and DBox BCC tanks.

My Luer Lock Syringes are made in Thailand, but it was invented by Becton Dickinson, an American Co.

But I bought all these products from Online vendors in the USA or from B&M shops. At least my money was in the states for a while, and helped employ someone.

I don't have a Mech Mod, so I am looking at the various models. I like upper side button mods. Easier on my poor fingers. I really like the Atmizoo Roller. Sleek and simple. I have looked at a Atmomixani 69, very similiar. Yea, both made in Greece. I don't really care for the more exposed button on the 69.

I also looked at the Sigelei #20 roller clone. But you know what, it is on its 3rd version, and it still has problems.

So I will probably wait to buy the Roller. Fits my desires a little better. Good customer support, spare parts, and someone to speak with about it. It will be another month or so before I buy one, unless I find it used. I have a vape budget. It is the money I would have spent on cigs, which was approximately $220 a month. I mean, I would have spent this on cigs anyway.

When I have the money I buy the product. No money saved, no devices. There is a B&M near me that has the Roller. It comes to about $20 more(1/3 of a carton of smokes) than ordering direct from the company. But someone is employed, the sales taxes go to the local town and state, the person employed pays taxes, maybe buys a product made in the states, etc.

Just my 2 cents.

Greg W.

 

[Tony_B]

do you seriously think that i can afford to go buy a provari that costs right under 400$ or the cobra RBA clocking in at right below 200$ as the cheapest i could find where tax wouldn't make it 25%+30$ more expensive just for crossing the boarder?

or do you think imma go grab the first identical clone that i can find that costs less than 1/4th?

if an asian man can make a luxury item 90% cheaper and 100% identical to the original i call it a crime to sell the original...

Or, you could buy a Vamo, or something else in your budget.

Did that "asian man" spend the money and invest his time to develop something, go through the R&D process and foot the money for the first units produced? No. THAT is why he can afford to sell them much cheaper. THIS is the whole point of this thread.

 

[OzarkTroutBum]

I don't give a flying figtree for brands, misplaced economic "patriotism" or the snob factor. I'm too much of an old lady for that. I will skip a maximum number of middlemen with no qualms, am fiercely loyal to those who give me the service and quality I want, and boycott anyone who treats me badly.

Bravo!

I frequent a US vendor and I appreciate them. They have some stuff I want, products at a reasonable markup, quick shipping and good service.

That said I'm always looking for a better deal though. If I have to skip over a few to get there then that's cool too. If people in the same boat as me are saying a particular retailer and a particular item is good or bad I'm MUCH more likely to take their word for it rather than blindly place my trust in a vendor simply because they are US based.