I refuse to buy clones or fakes. Anyone else?

[SissySpike]

Perhaps...but a good example of why I cant always buy the China product, like innokin, from a US vendor is when FT sells a SVD for 37 bucks and the local B&M, right now, today, is selling it for 90 bucks, they can kiss my loyalty goodbye...I mean, cmon...I understand that they have costs that drive their prices up, but at least try to be a least somewhat competitive...I will support our own as long as it doesn't amount to an outright fleecing...

Now weve opened up the SRP can of worms innokin is setting the high price not the dealers. Ft is buying them threw fake companys so they have a steady supply Innokin is claiming FT is selling clones and will not honer any guarantee. So FT is out Chineseing the Chinese

 

[Spike64]

Now weve opened up the SRP can of worms Innokin is setting the high price not the dealers. Ft is buying them threw fake companys so they have a steady supply Innokin is claiming FT is selling clones and will not honer any guarantee. So FT is out Chineseing the Chinese

So the Chinese are screwing themselves...lol...too funny...

 

[SissySpike]

So the Chinese are screwing themselves...lol...too funny...

YUP I bought a FT SVD just cause they did that;-) Mad Vapes did something similar when Zmaxes first came out they cost 150$ then MD took their board put it in a plastic body and sold it for 80$ I bought one of those just because I thought it was cool they did that also;-)

 

[TreVader]

I think this whole thread is less an issue of who WILL buy what and more an issue of what people already bought. Most of the people crusading about only buying american probably spent many hundreds of dollars buying products built here, and now that FT sells pretty much the same thing for 1/10th the price they wonder where all their money went.


If you want to buy american, good for you do it. Just don't get upset about the value of your purchase being cut in half by the existence of clones. This country was supposedly founded on the principles of capitalism and free trade, so why not support vendors who make a good product at an excellent price, vs a great product at an awful price?

 

[Butters78]

The clones to me won't last as long as the originals I'd imagine.

When I make an investment I want it to last.

 

[TreVader]

The clones to me won't last as long as the originals I'd imagine.

Sometimes our imaginations run away with us.

 

[Rocketpunk]

 

[SissySpike]

I think this whole thread is less an issue of who WILL buy what and more an issue of what people already bought. Most of the people crusading about only buying american probably spent many hundreds of dollars buying products built here, and now that FT sells pretty much the same thing for 1/10th the price they wonder where all their money went.


If you want to buy american, good for you do it. Just don't get upset about the value of your purchase being cut in half by the existence of clones. This country was supposedly founded on the principles of capitalism and free trade, so why not support vendors who make a good product at an excellent price, vs a great product at an awful price?

Another generalizing statement meant more for argument rather than a good discussion. Most of my Highend mods would sell for much more than I payed for them so FT has not affected their price any. I personally dont buy to sell I buy to enjoy.

You statement assumes people can not have principals and do not get passionate about defending those principals. I think every thread on this topic proves the exact opposite

 

[Mad Scientist]

The products are patentable and if the designers wanted to bother to protect their ideas over the long haul, they could patent the invention. An infringing device would be seized by customs when they get here.

The likely reason most devices are not patented is because the designers aren't interested in the long haul or mass sales. Is one mech really a better design than another? It's a tube with a switch. The appearance can be patented through a design patent but nobody bothers. Once the first few runs have sold its on to the next. If a manufacturer in China copies it, no one seems to care (except the OP?). Same with atomizers.

The Ithaka was an innovative invention but no patent filed (at least that I know of). If GG didn't want to see copies shipped here en mass, they would have patented it.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Another generalizing statement meant more for argument rather than a good discussion. Most of my Highend mods would sell for much more than I payed for them so FT has not affected their price any. I personally dont buy to sell I buy to enjoy.

You statement assumes people can not have principals and do not get passionate about defending those principals. I think every thread on this topic proves the exact opposite

Ruyan currently holds an international patent on ecigs and also developed eliquid.

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=2007267031&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP

Do your principles guide you to send a royalty to them every time you vape?

 

[Relayer1974]

I think my money should go to the person who went through all the time, money and energy to design it. I think the people who take a mod, copy it, send the plans to China to have it reproduced with sub-par materials and processes is nothing more than THEFT.
I REALLY find it disturbing when the part was originally made in the USA and people are sending their money and business to another country.
Just ranting a little. I'm tired of people saying how cheap they are getting stuff from "a certain vendor" in a "certain Asian country" only to complain later about slow shipping, bad customer service and crappy parts. You get what you pay for IMHO.

I'd rather buy bona fide, original sub-par Chinese junk as opposed to a clone thereof.

 

[SissySpike]

Ruyan currently holds an international patent on ecigs and also developed eliquid.

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=2007267031&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP

Do your principles guide you to send a royalty to them every time you vape?

If I bought that model I sure would have. I try is the best that I can do so yes I can have an opinion. I do everything I can with in reason to support the people trying to give us quality products and I try at every turn to dissuade people from supporting fake cloned copied products.

 

[JColt]

I have 2 fancy vv/vw and a magneto. I've been using my ego t all day with evod and a non fancy eliquid I made. I dont need $30.00 eliquid and mods worth 100's of dollars. I got caught up in all that for a couple months and said to heck with it. Just vape and enjoy. Most mod makers cannot put out the demand anyway.

 

[TreVader]

Another generalizing statement meant more for argument rather than a good discussion. Most of my Highend mods would sell for much more than I payed for them so FT has not affected their price any. I personally dont buy to sell I buy to enjoy.

You statement assumes people can not have principals and do not get passionate about defending those principals. I think every thread on this topic proves the exact opposite

I didn't say it would affect the mods price, I said it would affect its worth. How much did you pay for your authentic mods? Because if you payed more than what FT sells a clone of your mod for, then no your mod would not sell for more than you payed. Not to me, not to anyone else with an internet connection and a browser.

What "principles" are you talking about? The principle that people should pay more for less because it's made in the USA? You're argument is much akin to the argument made by people who refused to buy japanese cars... and look what happened to the Japanese vs US car industry? If the Mod designers can count on thralls of uninformed customers with a prejudice against foreign products and disposable income they have no need to innovate or to lower costs. They can just keep raking in the cash, much like the american auto industry (until it fell on it's face and needed a trillion dollar bailout to keep running). Too bad FT has ruined everything.

 

[dw'struth]

My first mod was a Vamo. Yup. Made in China. But I bought it from a US vendor. I'm not saying people should buy only stuff that's MADE in America, I just prefer to buy things that are SOLD here.

Did you make sure the Vamo came from the original manufacturer of the Vamo?
Any of you guys or gals ever play any golf? The courses are full of Nike, Calaway, Tailor-Made, and etc knock offs. I've yet to hear a infuriated golfer over cloning.

 

[Cloud_King]

I have 2 fancy vv/vw and a magneto. I've been using my ego t all day with evod and a non fancy eliquid I made. I dont need $30.00 eliquid and mods worth 100's of dollars. I got caught up in all that for a couple months and said to heck with it. Just vape and enjoy. Most mod makers cannot put out the demand anyway.

This. I refuse to pay flipper prices. I will buy clones BUT once the legit mod is available for purchase I will do that.

 

[SissySpike]

I have 2 fancy vv/vw and a magneto. I've been using my ego t all day with evod and a non fancy eliquid I made. I dont need $30.00 eliquid and mods worth 100's of dollars. I got caught up in all that for a couple months and said to heck with it. Just vape and enjoy. Most mod makers cannot put out the demand anyway.

I dont think anyone can dispute the Chinese came up with the EGO. I prefer my Jokers Edge to an ego but nothing wrong with egos. They have got more people off of cigarettes than Mods have. This is the kind of innovation I can support. Most of us have used egos at one point in our vaping history.
Why cant they apply that same good thinking to the rest of their products. Evic is another cool one from China. They are very capable of making good stuff why do they need to turn around and copy everything else also?

 

[SissySpike]

I didn't say it would affect the mods price, I said it would affect its worth. How much did you pay for your authentic mods? Because if you payed more than what FT sells a clone of your mod for, then no your mod would not sell for more than you payed. Not to me, not to anyone else with an internet connection and a browser.

What "principles" are you talking about? The principle that people should pay more for less because it's made in the USA? You're argument is much akin to the argument made by people who refused to buy japanese cars... and look what happened to the Japanese vs US car industry? If the Mod designers can count on thralls of uninformed customers with a prejudice against foreign products and disposable income they have no need to innovate or to lower costs. They can just keep raking in the cash, much like the american auto industry (until it fell on it's face and needed a trillion dollar bailout to keep running). Too bad FT has ruined everything.

I think you give FT to much credit their stuff is worth exactly what they charge for it not much. The auto company debate has alot more to it than the few points you touched on and that debate dose not belong here. You obviously have not looked at my signature or read any of my post I encourage and support any and all quality products from anyplace including China I discourage coping, cloning and faking. It seems as if you have a prejudice against American made products you are inferring over to me.

 

[TreVader]

I think you give FT to much credit their stuff is worth exactly what they charge for it not much. The auto company debate has alot more to it than the few points you touched on and that debate dose not belong here. You obviously have not looked at my signature or read any of my post I encourage and support any and all quality products from anyplace including China I discourage coping, cloning and faking. It seems as if you have a prejudice against American made products you are inferring over to me.

I would agree that fasttechs products are worth what they charge, but a real Trident is worth MAYBE 4$ more than a 16$ clone on fast tech, not $90. I have a prejudice against people who price gouge, which is what the vast majority of these american companies are doing when they mill a $3 block of 316 stainless into what they would claim is worth $129.99.

The truth is the american companies make a large amount of money of early adopters and quickly break even, then slowly sell the rest of their inventory to people like you who refuse to save money. That's why they're constantly out of stock. These companies couldn't care less who clones their products because they know that most people couldn't afford them anyway.

I have no issue with buying a Helios when it first comes out because it's the newest greatest thing out there, if i could afford it I would, but to say that only people who can afford to spend $350 on a proVari/helios setup made in the USA should be allowed to own a high quality APV, and anyone who can't afford said setup should NEVER be allowed to buy a clone from another country is just elitist.

 

[Dusif]

I think you give FT to much credit their stuff is worth exactly what they charge for it not much. The auto company debate has alot more to it than the few points you touched on and that debate dose not belong here. You obviously have not looked at my signature or read any of my post I encourage and support any and all quality products from anyplace including China I discourage coping, cloning and faking. It seems as if you have a prejudice against American made products you are inferring over to me.

aahem... my best mod is a KTS+ mech mod from FT... i'm using an AGA-T+ with it right now with a home made liquid... beats my vamo with a KTPT on it

my vamo was 100$ and my KTS+ was 17$... as i see it the prices seems to be wrong but for some reason they aren't