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Katdarling

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I remember somehow learning about what we then called "e-smoking" in late 2007, apparently soon after it first arrived in America. I don't remember exactly how/where I caught wind of it, but it must have been online somewhere. I was (still am) a longtime pipe smoker--never really a cig smoker--who got interested in the "e-smoking" as an option for reducing my real smoking and coping with situations such as staying in non-smoking hotel rooms or homes.

I remember researching further and learning that the real stuff had to be ordered from Ruyan in China, and there were also some American-based sites selling cheap knock-offs of the Ruyan products. The available form factors were mainly the cigalike, an e-cigar, and an e-pipe. As a pipe smoker, naturally the e-pipe attracted me the most.

I remember spending a few hundred dollars and a fair amount of hassle to order the genuine Ruyan e-pipe and a supply of the juice cartridges from China. I also tried a cheap knock-off pipe and knock-off replacement juice cartridges and juice to refill cartridges from other sites--these were all terrible. The Ruyan stuff was the only thing that performed (at first) and tasted worth a darn.

I remember the Ruyan e-pipe and its juice cartridges coming in upscale packaging and seeming very much like a luxury-style product--which it should for the price. (I was counting all this as 2007's Christmas present to myself, and also thinking of it as an investment in future health from reduced smoking.) I remember really liking the Ruyan e-pipe at first. The juice came only in cartridges and only in one flavor. (I.e., from Ruyan itself. As mentioned, I tried different juices and carts from other sources but didn't like them.) I happened to really like the flavor--tasted to me like a maple syrup tobacco. I began using the e-pipe daily, replacing multiple pipefuls of real tobacco.

I remember finding this forum in my Googling around about "e-smoking." There were a small handful of forums/sites on the topic; all with very little traffic and content. Apparently I joined this forum in Jan. 2008 as its 13th member and made a handful of posts. I remember also around this time coming across examples of people creating flashlight mods for a more powerful "e-smoking" experience--I knew that this was something I should not mess with given my lack of DIY skill. Those were being called "mods" because they were literally "modified" from flashlights.

I remember generally enjoying my e-pipe over the next few months, but growing annoyed when its performance started to degrade. Eventually it quit working altogether. (Later I would learn the fatal flaw of these early devices--the atomizer was built into the e-pipe device itself and was not replaceable; the replaceable cartridges held juice only; once the atomizer burned out, one was left with a useless device that had cost a few hundred dollars to get and would cost another few hundred to replace.)

At this point, I just gave up on the "e-smoking"--the technology just wasn't there yet. Also, the market wasn't there--aside from my disappointing experience with the e-pipe itself, it was a pain to have to order everything from China. The whole thing didn't seem to be catching on anyway, so why get into something that will cease to be available soon?

I remember in 2009 seeing those guys selling the cigalike kits at mall kiosks, thinking maybe it is now starting to catch on, and toying with the idea of trying it again. But I took a pass.

I remember in late 2012 starting to notice that the e-cig finally DID seem to be catching on. I noticed some people vaping in bars and the like. I noticed that Walgreens was now selling the Blu cigs, and I was hearing more people refer to "vaping" as "a thing." This got me interested again. This is when I got back into it--I first tried a disposable Blu from Walgreens just for the heck of it, and later an Ego/clearomizer setup from one of the handful of b&m vape shops that I discovered in my area. The Ego performed worlds better than my original e-pipe. I quickly acquired a small collection of various pipe-style mods and learned that cartomizers gave me better flavor than the Ego clearomizer.

I remember learning that "mod" no longer referred specifically to jerry-rigged flashlights and now includes factory-made devices and devices specially made by individual craftsmen. (This was really confusing to me at first--whenever I saw "mod" I thought it meant somebody was taking an off-the-shelf device and modifying it somehow.)

Around this time, I remember looking for a forum where I could post a couple questions, finding this forum, and trying to create an account. I remember being informed that I already had an account here, dating back to Jan. 2008, and had in fact been the 13th member to join. I remember being pleasantly surprised to remember this. :)

I remember liking my pipe mods at first but starting to get frustrated by the short life of the small batteries and reliability issues. I tried a Zmax, which got me used to the tube form factor and 18650 battery life. I soon moved on to tube mechs, which have become my preferred form of mod, coupled with a Nautilus Aspire, which gives me my preferred vape.

I remember around 2013-2014 seeing vape shops start to pop up all over town. Before, there were only a few in my area, and the closest was like a 15-mile drive away.

I remember noticing recently that all the cool vapers these days seem to be using box mods running subohm coils and feeling a little square what with my tube mod + Nautilus setup. I remember saying to myself "Who cares? This is what I like. Vape on!" So I remember continuing to vape with my tube mech/Nautilus set up, just a second ago.

@Langdell - marvelous pipe stories, but even better yet...... you're the 13th to join ECF??? That is itself is extraordinary!!!!

I'd like to start a thread dedicated just to you and the original colonists.

WOW and WOW and WOOOOW.

Do you know if there are any of your original ECF buds still around from 2008?

AMAZING. And I feel honored that you posted here.


Welcome HOME.
 

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I remember somehow learning about what we then called "e-smoking" in late 2007, apparently soon after it first arrived in America. I don't remember exactly how/where I caught wind of it, but it must have been online somewhere. I was (still am) a longtime pipe smoker--never really a cig smoker--who got interested in the "e-smoking" as an option for reducing my real smoking and coping with situations such as staying in non-smoking hotel rooms or homes.

I remember researching further and learning that the real stuff had to be ordered from Ruyan in China, and there were also some American-based sites selling cheap knock-offs of the Ruyan products. The available form factors were mainly the cigalike, an e-cigar, and an e-pipe. As a pipe smoker, naturally the e-pipe attracted me the most.

I remember spending a few hundred dollars and a fair amount of hassle to order the genuine Ruyan e-pipe and a supply of the juice cartridges from China. I also tried a cheap knock-off pipe and knock-off replacement juice cartridges and juice to refill cartridges from other sites--these were all terrible. The Ruyan stuff was the only thing that performed (at first) and tasted worth a darn.

I remember the Ruyan e-pipe and its juice cartridges coming in upscale packaging and seeming very much like a luxury-style product--which it should for the price. (I was counting all this as 2007's Christmas present to myself, and also thinking of it as an investment in future health from reduced smoking.) I remember really liking the Ruyan e-pipe at first. The juice came only in cartridges and only in one flavor. (I.e., from Ruyan itself. As mentioned, I tried different juices and carts from other sources but didn't like them.) I happened to really like the flavor--tasted to me like a maple syrup tobacco. I began using the e-pipe daily, replacing multiple pipefuls of real tobacco.

I remember finding this forum in my Googling around about "e-smoking." There were a small handful of forums/sites on the topic; all with very little traffic and content. Apparently I joined this forum in Jan. 2008 as its 13th member and made a handful of posts. I remember also around this time coming across examples of people creating flashlight mods for a more powerful "e-smoking" experience--I knew that this was something I should not mess with given my lack of DIY skill. Those were being called "mods" because they were literally "modified" from flashlights.

I remember generally enjoying my e-pipe over the next few months, but growing annoyed when its performance started to degrade. Eventually it quit working altogether. (Later I would learn the fatal flaw of these early devices--the atomizer was built into the e-pipe device itself and was not replaceable; the replaceable cartridges held juice only; once the atomizer burned out, one was left with a useless device that had cost a few hundred dollars to get and would cost another few hundred to replace.)

At this point, I just gave up on the "e-smoking"--the technology just wasn't there yet. Also, the market wasn't there--aside from my disappointing experience with the e-pipe itself, it was a pain to have to order everything from China. The whole thing didn't seem to be catching on anyway, so why get into something that will cease to be available soon?

I remember in 2009 seeing those guys selling the cigalike kits at mall kiosks, thinking maybe it is now starting to catch on, and toying with the idea of trying it again. But I took a pass.

I remember in late 2012 starting to notice that the e-cig finally DID seem to be catching on. I noticed some people vaping in bars and the like. I noticed that Walgreens was now selling the Blu cigs, and I was hearing more people refer to "vaping" as "a thing." This got me interested again. This is when I got back into it--I first tried a disposable Blu from Walgreens just for the heck of it, and later an Ego/clearomizer setup from one of the handful of b&m vape shops that I discovered in my area. The Ego performed worlds better than my original e-pipe. I quickly acquired a small collection of various pipe-style mods and learned that cartomizers gave me better flavor than the Ego clearomizer.

I remember learning that "mod" no longer referred specifically to jerry-rigged flashlights and now includes factory-made devices and devices specially made by individual craftsmen. (This was really confusing to me at first--whenever I saw "mod" I thought it meant somebody was taking an off-the-shelf device and modifying it somehow.)

Around this time, I remember looking for a forum where I could post a couple questions, finding this forum, and trying to create an account. I remember being informed that I already had an account here, dating back to Jan. 2008, and had in fact been the 13th member to join. I remember being pleasantly surprised to remember this. :)

I remember liking my pipe mods at first but starting to get frustrated by the short life of the small batteries and reliability issues. I tried a Zmax, which got me used to the tube form factor and 18650 battery life. I soon moved on to tube mechs, which have become my preferred form of mod, coupled with a Nautilus Aspire, which gives me my preferred vape.

I remember around 2013-2014 seeing vape shops start to pop up all over town. Before, there were only a few in my area, and the closest was like a 15-mile drive away.

I remember noticing recently that all the cool vapers these days seem to be using box mods running subohm coils and feeling a little square what with my tube mod + Nautilus setup. I remember saying to myself "Who cares? This is what I like. Vape on!" So I remember continuing to vape with my tube mech/Nautilus set up, just a second ago.
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I remember somehow learning about what we then called "e-smoking" in late 2007, apparently soon after it first arrived in America. I don't remember exactly how/where I caught wind of it, but it must have been online somewhere. I was (still am) a longtime pipe smoker--never really a cig smoker--who got interested in the "e-smoking" as an option for reducing my real smoking and coping with situations such as staying in non-smoking hotel rooms or homes.

I remember researching further and learning that the real stuff had to be ordered from Ruyan in China, and there were also some American-based sites selling cheap knock-offs of the Ruyan products. The available form factors were mainly the cigalike, an e-cigar, and an e-pipe. As a pipe smoker, naturally the e-pipe attracted me the most.

I remember spending a few hundred dollars and a fair amount of hassle to order the genuine Ruyan e-pipe and a supply of the juice cartridges from China. I also tried a cheap knock-off pipe and knock-off replacement juice cartridges and juice to refill cartridges from other sites--these were all terrible. The Ruyan stuff was the only thing that performed (at first) and tasted worth a darn.

I remember the Ruyan e-pipe and its juice cartridges coming in upscale packaging and seeming very much like a luxury-style product--which it should for the price. (I was counting all this as 2007's Christmas present to myself, and also thinking of it as an investment in future health from reduced smoking.) I remember really liking the Ruyan e-pipe at first. The juice came only in cartridges and only in one flavor. (I.e., from Ruyan itself. As mentioned, I tried different juices and carts from other sources but didn't like them.) I happened to really like the flavor--tasted to me like a maple syrup tobacco. I began using the e-pipe daily, replacing multiple pipefuls of real tobacco.

I remember finding this forum in my Googling around about "e-smoking." There were a small handful of forums/sites on the topic; all with very little traffic and content. Apparently I joined this forum in Jan. 2008 as its 13th member and made a handful of posts. I remember also around this time coming across examples of people creating flashlight mods for a more powerful "e-smoking" experience--I knew that this was something I should not mess with given my lack of DIY skill. Those were being called "mods" because they were literally "modified" from flashlights.

I remember generally enjoying my e-pipe over the next few months, but growing annoyed when its performance started to degrade. Eventually it quit working altogether. (Later I would learn the fatal flaw of these early devices--the atomizer was built into the e-pipe device itself and was not replaceable; the replaceable cartridges held juice only; once the atomizer burned out, one was left with a useless device that had cost a few hundred dollars to get and would cost another few hundred to replace.)

At this point, I just gave up on the "e-smoking"--the technology just wasn't there yet. Also, the market wasn't there--aside from my disappointing experience with the e-pipe itself, it was a pain to have to order everything from China. The whole thing didn't seem to be catching on anyway, so why get into something that will cease to be available soon?

I remember in 2009 seeing those guys selling the cigalike kits at mall kiosks, thinking maybe it is now starting to catch on, and toying with the idea of trying it again. But I took a pass.

I remember in late 2012 starting to notice that the e-cig finally DID seem to be catching on. I noticed some people vaping in bars and the like. I noticed that Walgreens was now selling the Blu cigs, and I was hearing more people refer to "vaping" as "a thing." This got me interested again. This is when I got back into it--I first tried a disposable Blu from Walgreens just for the heck of it, and later an Ego/clearomizer setup from one of the handful of b&m vape shops that I discovered in my area. The Ego performed worlds better than my original e-pipe. I quickly acquired a small collection of various pipe-style mods and learned that cartomizers gave me better flavor than the Ego clearomizer.

I remember learning that "mod" no longer referred specifically to jerry-rigged flashlights and now includes factory-made devices and devices specially made by individual craftsmen. (This was really confusing to me at first--whenever I saw "mod" I thought it meant somebody was taking an off-the-shelf device and modifying it somehow.)

Around this time, I remember looking for a forum where I could post a couple questions, finding this forum, and trying to create an account. I remember being informed that I already had an account here, dating back to Jan. 2008, and had in fact been the 13th member to join. I remember being pleasantly surprised to remember this. :)

I remember liking my pipe mods at first but starting to get frustrated by the short life of the small batteries and reliability issues. I tried a Zmax, which got me used to the tube form factor and 18650 battery life. I soon moved on to tube mechs, which have become my preferred form of mod, coupled with a Nautilus Aspire, which gives me my preferred vape.

I remember around 2013-2014 seeing vape shops start to pop up all over town. Before, there were only a few in my area, and the closest was like a 15-mile drive away.

I remember noticing recently that all the cool vapers these days seem to be using box mods running subohm coils and feeling a little square what with my tube mod + Nautilus setup. I remember saying to myself "Who cares? This is what I like. Vape on!" So I remember continuing to vape with my tube mech/Nautilus set up, just a second ago.


This is sooooooooo good!!!!! Wish I could like it more than once Thanks for this!!
 

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@Langdell - marvelous pipe stories, but even better yet...... you're the 13th to join ECF??? That is itself is extraordinary!!!!

I'd like to start a thread dedicated just to you and the original colonists.

WOW and WOW and WOOOOW.

Do you know if there are any of your original ECF buds still around from 2008?

AMAZING. And I feel honored that you posted here.


Welcome HOME.

THANK YOU! And thanks to the other nice words above about my post! You all are too kind. :)

I very much appreciate everything, but I don't feel worthy of having anything dedicated to me--OTHER original colonists are much more worthy. As noted, back in the day, I originally bailed on the "e-smoking" after a short time and didn't contribute a whole lot to this forum, and it took me almost 5 years to get back into vaping and start posting here again. The ones who are really worthy of honor are the other ECF members/pioneer vapers who stuck it out and built it up for me to come back to. I for one am very grateful to those folks!

And I apologize in advance if I'm forgetting someone in what I'm about to say next: I don't really remember developing any real "bud-ships" here back in 2008. As mentioned, traffic here (and all vape-related sites) was VERY slow at the time--there were literally only a few people making a handful of posts. Not a lot of back and forth chit chat, so it wasn't yet a mature forum where people got to know each other much. So the OTHER early posters who stuck it out and built this place up are the ones worthy of honor, and I bet they wouldn't even remember me being here. :)

On a side note, I remember yesterday morning dropping the bottom switch to my brand new Zeus mod on a hard floor and bending something so that the button now sticks. :( I think I jinxed myself by posting about how awesome it is and hoping it would last me a long time LOL. I can't fault the Zeus for this problem--just my own clumsiness. I'm hoping I can get OEM spare parts to repair it, but not holding my breath since it was a very limited model that went out of production years ago. I'm thinking of just calling it a day and ordering a Nemesis in stainless steel plus spare parts to keep on hand.

Thanks again, everyone, for the kind words! And THANK YOU ALL for keeping vaping alive and thriving!
 

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- blue foam
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Today, I truly believe that the only person that can't quit 'bakky with current available equipment/jooses is one that doesn't want to quit!!!

Did all that. Carto tanks that were slippery with rubber grommets on each end didn't impress me. By the time carto tanks evolved I was onto something else. The Kanger Areotank and then RTAs grabbed me and never let go. I still have my Kanger Aerotank and my old Nautilus, several boxes of unused Boge SS cartos, and a steel mesh tank.

I still have some blue foam and drink stirrers in a shoe box in the closet!
 

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    I'm thinking of just calling it a day and ordering a Nemesis in stainless steel plus spare parts to keep on hand.

    Thanks again, everyone, for the kind words! And THANK YOU ALL for keeping vaping alive and thriving!
    Many will suggest different mechanicals. (me included)
    I found the nemmy a bit to fussy for my liking, and suggest you look at this one instead.
    Hcigar Caravela (clone)
    You might shop around for better prices, just make sure it was made by HCigar. I bought several on closeout for $5 each. (always nice to have spares)
    Also make sure that you get the brass tube & stainless switch. The stainless switch is pretty much maintenance free, and the brass tube less slippery.

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    I still use Boge cartos & tanks a lot.
     

    Langdell

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    Many will suggest different mechanicals. (me included)
    I found the nemmy a bit to fussy for my liking, and suggest you look at this one instead.
    Hcigar Caravela (clone)
    You might shop around for better prices, just make sure it was made by HCigar. I bought several on closeout for $5 each. (always nice to have spares)
    Also make sure that you get the brass tube & stainless switch. The stainless switch is pretty much maintenance free, and the brass tube less slippery.

    Add:
    I still use Boge cartos & tanks a lot.

    Thanks! I especially appreciate that input because my first mech was a Chi You, which I also found too fussy. So I know that's an issue for me! And thanks for reminding me of the Caravela--I remember lusting after that mod back in the day and still love the look of it!
     
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    Katdarling

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    Langdell, you got to me thinking, and suddenly I was on a mission. I felt the need to go back thru the Wacky Time Machine to see the initiation of ECF.

    I don't know IF this is the very first post (by our esteemed founder, Mr. @Oliver), but it very well may be.

    Perhaps you'll recognize some of the colonists. ;)


    e-cigarette-forum.com • Welcome!
     

    Langdell

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    Langdell, you got to me thinking, and suddenly I was on a mission. I felt the need to go back thru the Wacky Time Machine to see the initiation of ECF.

    I don't know IF this is the very first post (by our esteemed founder, Mr. @Oliver), but it very well may be.

    Perhaps you'll recognize some of the colonists. ;)


    e-cigarette-forum.com • Welcome!

    Wow oh wow! There's at least one thread showing up there that I posted in, possibly my first post since the thread was titled "Hi!". Although it says I had 6 posts, so maybe that was my sixth: e-cigarette-forum.com • Hi!

    The usernames Smokey_Joe and TropicalBob do ring some bells. (Actually TropicalBob and I got to know each other better on a snus forum where I was active for a while. So, yes, he's an old Internet bud!) And a woman named woody responded to my posting about the e-pipe wondering if it was OK for the ladies. :)

    That is really wild. And the material you see on those archive pages really will show you the state of "e-smoking" knowledge back in the day.
     

    Katdarling

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    Mem'ries, eh? :D

    I'm delighted for you. And yes, there was a very short thread on "So what is it?" (e-smoking? misting? vaping? etc.) that I found KWITE interesting!

    Enjoy the trip back in time, guys. :)

    (This one was found by our one and only precious moderator, @Robino1). <wub>


    Well it's not smoking....So what is it?
     

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    I survived an Dissectional Aortic Aneurysm July 4th 2009, after 30+ yrs smoking a pack of Newport 100's a day. I woke up to a standing ovation from the ICU Riverside hospital staff on July 29th after 25 days in a coma. I was told to get my affairs in order bcuz it was a miracle that I survived in the first place but I'd be lucky to make it more than 6 months. My Aorta split 2.8cm from my heart down to the break in my legs & no surgeon was willing to do the surgery to apply stints. I lost the use of 1 kidney & severe nerve damage from the waist down, so it was said I wouldn't be able to walk for the rest of my days...

    After 6 weeks in Rehab, with the aide of a walker... I walked out of the hospital & made it to the nearest 7/11 and bought myself a pack of smokes. I went from a pack a day to 2 & 1/2 packs a day. Due to my constant pain & depression, I only slept every 3 to 4 days & found myself smoking around the clock. Weighing in at 88 lbs and family/friends being unable to see me without bursting into tears and seeing the look of despair on my children's faces, I realized I had given up on life & I owed it to my children to at the very least, go out fighting... I got on the internet and Googled "Alternatives to Smoking" and the rest is history.... I got my first ecig Oct 9th and I got something new every week until I found my first mod..
    A Silver Bullet from Altsmoke... That was 8 years ago when the cheapest mod to be found was $80 - $100 and you had to be rich to have a rebuildable...lol... I've been making my own coils for almost 5 yrs now & vaping has truly come a long wayyyy....
     

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    I remember when the Provari was the best mod money could buy... A matter of fact... I still have my Provari, my Silver Bullet , my Omega & a couple of real Hybrid mech mods with the built in atty...


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    I survived an Dissectional Aortic Aneurysm July 4th 2009, after 30+ yrs smoking a pack of Newport 100's a day. I woke up to a standing ovation from the ICU Riverside hospital staff on July 29th after 25 days in a coma. I was told to get my affairs in order bcuz it was a miracle that I survived in the first place but I'd be lucky to make it more than 6 months. My Aorta split 2.8cm from my heart down to the break in my legs & no surgeon was willing to do the surgery to apply stints. I lost the use of 1 kidney & severe nerve damage from the waist down, so it was said I wouldn't be able to walk for the rest of my days...

    After 6 weeks in Rehab, with the aide of a walker... I walked out of the hospital & made it to the nearest 7/11 and bought myself a pack of smokes. I went from a pack a day to 2 & 1/2 packs a day. Due to my constant pain & depression, I only slept every 3 to 4 days & found myself smoking around the clock. Weighing in at 88 lbs and family/friends being unable to see me without bursting into tears and seeing the look of despair on my children's faces, I realized I had given up on life & I owed it to my children to at the very least, go out fighting... I got on the internet and Googled "Alternatives to Smoking" and the rest is history.... I got my first ecig Oct 9th and I got something new every week until I found my first mod..
    A Silver Bullet from Altsmoke... That was 8 years ago when the cheapest mod to be found was $80 - $100 and you had to be rich to have a rebuildable...lol... I've been making my own coils for almost 5 yrs now & vaping has truly come a long wayyyy....

    I'm glad you're here to tell your story. :wub:

    Wow!
     

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    Mem'ries, eh? :D

    I'm delighted for you. And yes, there was a very short thread on "So what is it?" (e-smoking? misting? vaping? etc.) that I found KWITE interesting!

    Enjoy the trip back in time, guys. :)

    (This one was found by our one and only precious moderator, @Robino1). <wub>


    Well it's not smoking....So what is it?

    Cool, picked out these these two -

    This from @woody 2008-

    "The real problem in future is the chance that governments will ban e-cigs before they really develop into quality products."

    and @littlewing58 2009 -

    "One thing I was thinking the other day...What about INSURANCE ...is this smoking or not? If I get health insurance what will I be classified.???:confused: "

    Those two smart OG's saw what was coming.

    My favorite old thread was one where people were debating how to make their own juice. At the start of the thread they didn't even know what the ingredients of the Chinese juice were, apart from nicotine, but eventually they figured it out and located suppliers.
     
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