I remember back in the day when ECF had some really neat software and then changed it to this format 
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Langdell, you got to me thinking, and suddenly I was on a mission. I felt the need to go back thru the Wacky Time Machine to see the initiation of ECF.
I don't know IF this is the very first post (by our esteemed founder, Mr. @Oliver), but it very well may be.
Perhaps you'll recognize some of the colonists.
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Gosh, it may well have been! I posted it on December 13th, two days after I set up ECF.
Looking through that post, boy did I pre-empt a lot of things - public acceptance, suitability for cessation, legal issues, different suppliers! Not a bad early, post (if I say so myself)
Funny how some things change yet others are still the same.
We still have the same battles and we would have thought it would have gotten better...not worse, in some cases.
I remember somehow learning about what we then called "e-smoking" in late 2007, apparently soon after it first arrived in America. I don't remember exactly how/where I caught wind of it, but it must have been online somewhere. I was (still am) a longtime pipe smoker--never really a cig smoker--who got interested in the "e-smoking" as an option for reducing my real smoking and coping with situations such as staying in non-smoking hotel rooms or homes.
I remember researching further and learning that the real stuff had to be ordered from Ruyan in China, and there were also some American-based sites selling cheap knock-offs of the Ruyan products. The available form factors were mainly the cigalike, an e-cigar, and an e-pipe. As a pipe smoker, naturally the e-pipe attracted me the most.
I remember spending a few hundred dollars and a fair amount of hassle to order the genuine Ruyan e-pipe and a supply of the juice cartridges from China. I also tried a cheap knock-off pipe and knock-off replacement juice cartridges and juice to refill cartridges from other sites--these were all terrible. The Ruyan stuff was the only thing that performed (at first) and tasted worth a darn.
I remember the Ruyan e-pipe and its juice cartridges coming in upscale packaging and seeming very much like a luxury-style product--which it should for the price. (I was counting all this as 2007's Christmas present to myself, and also thinking of it as an investment in future health from reduced smoking.) I remember really liking the Ruyan e-pipe at first. The juice came only in cartridges and only in one flavor. (I.e., from Ruyan itself. As mentioned, I tried different juices and carts from other sources but didn't like them.) I happened to really like the flavor--tasted to me like a maple syrup tobacco. I began using the e-pipe daily, replacing multiple pipefuls of real tobacco.
I remember finding this forum in my Googling around about "e-smoking." There were a small handful of forums/sites on the topic; all with very little traffic and content. Apparently I joined this forum in Jan. 2008 as its 13th member and made a handful of posts. I remember also around this time coming across examples of people creating flashlight mods for a more powerful "e-smoking" experience--I knew that this was something I should not mess with given my lack of DIY skill. Those were being called "mods" because they were literally "modified" from flashlights.
I remember generally enjoying my e-pipe over the next few months, but growing annoyed when its performance started to degrade. Eventually it quit working altogether. (Later I would learn the fatal flaw of these early devices--the atomizer was built into the e-pipe device itself and was not replaceable; the replaceable cartridges held juice only; once the atomizer burned out, one was left with a useless device that had cost a few hundred dollars to get and would cost another few hundred to replace.)
At this point, I just gave up on the "e-smoking"--the technology just wasn't there yet. Also, the market wasn't there--aside from my disappointing experience with the e-pipe itself, it was a pain to have to order everything from China. The whole thing didn't seem to be catching on anyway, so why get into something that will cease to be available soon?
I remember in 2009 seeing those guys selling the cigalike kits at mall kiosks, thinking maybe it is now starting to catch on, and toying with the idea of trying it again. But I took a pass.
I remember in late 2012 starting to notice that the e-cig finally DID seem to be catching on. I noticed some people vaping in bars and the like. I noticed that Walgreens was now selling the Blu cigs, and I was hearing more people refer to "vaping" as "a thing." This got me interested again. This is when I got back into it--I first tried a disposable Blu from Walgreens just for the heck of it, and later an Ego/clearomizer setup from one of the handful of b&m vape shops that I discovered in my area. The Ego performed worlds better than my original e-pipe. I quickly acquired a small collection of various pipe-style mods and learned that cartomizers gave me better flavor than the Ego clearomizer.
I remember learning that "mod" no longer referred specifically to jerry-rigged flashlights and now includes factory-made devices and devices specially made by individual craftsmen. (This was really confusing to me at first--whenever I saw "mod" I thought it meant somebody was taking an off-the-shelf device and modifying it somehow.)
Around this time, I remember looking for a forum where I could post a couple questions, finding this forum, and trying to create an account. I remember being informed that I already had an account here, dating back to Jan. 2008, and had in fact been the 13th member to join. I remember being pleasantly surprised to remember this.
I remember liking my pipe mods at first but starting to get frustrated by the short life of the small batteries and reliability issues. I tried a Zmax, which got me used to the tube form factor and 18650 battery life. I soon moved on to tube mechs, which have become my preferred form of mod, coupled with a Nautilus Aspire, which gives me my preferred vape.
I remember around 2013-2014 seeing vape shops start to pop up all over town. Before, there were only a few in my area, and the closest was like a 15-mile drive away.
I remember noticing recently that all the cool vapers these days seem to be using box mods running subohm coils and feeling a little square what with my tube mod + Nautilus setup. I remember saying to myself "Who cares? This is what I like. Vape on!" So I remember continuing to vape with my tube mech/Nautilus set up, just a second ago.
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True - but we weathered two major storms - Sottera vs FDA and TPD. Let's hope something can still come through to head of the impending big one...
From your fingers to God's ears.
A bit of a setback though with the ruling in the Nicopure case.
Judge basically gave the FDA free reign.
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In case Langdell doesn't realize, Oliver is SmokeyJoe.
He came out of
I have enjoyed cruising this thread. Thank you to all of the 1st gen vaper's! Without you most of us would probably be still smoking cigarettes. I honestly don't think I would have stuck with vaping if I had to go through maintenance of early gear.
I'm with you there! It's the early guys that lead to what we have now and I'm forever thankful and grateful.
Me too. If I'd have joined or tried these 6mths earlier than I did I probably would have bailed.
Good news is that I see more and more people coming back yrs later to give it another go. That's awesome.
FDA will have a hard time putting us down. Over time I don't believe they will or even can.
Aspire made the very first Sub Ohm Tank...
Remember the Atlantis ? Or using Bose Cartos & buying them by the case, at 2.0 ohms ? The 1st RDA's were either 2 post or 3 post with regular holes drilled into the side. No such thing as airflow control & if u wanted more airflow u had to drill a bigger hole yourself ? Nothing but Mech Mods & had to pay thru the nose for a custom regulated box mod or build it yourself.
The 1st affordable regulated mods were tube mods, like the Vamo. Paying $5 a piece for disposable 2ml cartomizers & praying they work bcuz quality control back then truly SUCKED !! And there was No Such Thing as an All Day Vape... The struggle for the perfect vape was real & buying damn near every new carto, atty & mod that came out, just to find u wasted ur money... Vaping has jumped by leaps & bounds in just the last 3-4 yrs.
Since China started making clones & then ventured into engineering their own mods & atomizers, by mass production, they made vaping affordable while boosting the industry & making American manufacturers lower their prices. Even tho a lot of American made atties remain a little on the pricey side, they're not as bad as they used to be. I remember the going rate for most atties was around $150 & better, at one time. You basically had to be rich to vape, just to own a Rebuildable atty, while the average Vaper used Chinese made cartos.
My 1st owned RDA's were the SM20 that matched my Kamry K100 & I wanna say the other one was made by UD, the W8 ? I think or W2 ? Perhaps... Hmm... I think I still have it..
Smh... I do believe I still have, damn near every piece of vape gear I've purchased in the last 8 yrs, that still works..
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Remember the Atlantis ? Or using Bose Cartos & buying them by the case, at 2.0 ohms ? The 1st RDA's were either 2 post or 3 post with regular holes drilled into the side. No such thing as airflow control & if u wanted more airflow u had to drill a bigger hole yourself ? Nothing but Mech Mods & had to pay thru the nose for a custom regulated box mod or build it yourself.
The 1st affordable regulated mods were tube mods, like the Vamo. Paying $5 a piece for disposable 2ml cartomizers & praying they work bcuz quality control back then truly SUCKED !! And there was No Such Thing as an All Day Vape... The struggle for the perfect vape was real & buying damn near every new carto, atty & mod that came out, just to find u wasted ur money... Vaping has jumped by leaps & bounds in just the last 3-4 yrs.
Since China started making clones & then ventured into engineering their own mods & atomizers, by mass production, they made vaping affordable while boosting the industry & making American manufacturers lower their prices. Even tho a lot of American made atties remain a little on the pricey side, they're not as bad as they used to be. I remember the going rate for most atties was around $150 & better, at one time. You basically had to be rich to vape, just to own a Rebuildable atty, while the average Vaper used Chinese made cartos.
My 1st owned RDA's were the SM20 that matched my Kamry K100 & I wanna say the other one was made by UD, the W8 ? I think or W2 ? Perhaps... Hmm... I think I still have it..
Smh... I do believe I still have, damn near every piece of vape gear I've purchased in the last 8 yrs, that still works..
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Thanks, Oliver! I remember you too now that I realize you are really SmokeyJoe!
(Did you ever consider making it "VapeyJoe"?) And THANK YOU for starting this forum and keeping it going. Do you realize that you almost singlehandedly made vaping "a thing"? I'm being serious--back in late 2007/early 2008 I was scouring the Internet for all information I could find about the "e-smoking," and there was very, very little out there. There were only a handful of sites, and this one seemed to be the only one with any real activity on it. So it seems to me that you personally deserve a humongous share of the credit for spreading the word about vaping and growing the market for it. So THANK YOU again!In case Langdell doesn't realize, Oliver is SmokeyJoe.
He came out ofthe closethiding....so to speak.
I didn't at first, but I do now.
Thank you, Robino!
Let's see who can name these...
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There's a post here somewhere from the guy who made the Silver Bullets. When he first started they had no finish, just polished aluminum. He said he polished them by hand and it took him several hours to do each one, and messed up his hands, so he stopped doing it that way quite soon. I don't remember how many he said he did like that but not many, so the plain polished ones are pretty rare.
Took me a few minutes to find the chair...yes, nice chair!What mod is this? Nice chair BTW.
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