If the BAN goes into effect?

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I am wondering if V4L has any plans if the ban of mailing ecigs and the products ( juice, cartomizers, batteries.. etc) goes into effect.... As of right now we in the USA can order but if the ban does happen and includes ecigs and the products that go with it, we won't be able to get them through the mail?!?
 

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This wont ever happen, and if it does there will always be an underground market place in my eyes to get your supplies, think about it you can order whatever pill you want even steroids over the INTERNET so something this simple will be easy for black market distributors to supply, The Govt only wants there piece of the pie right now and there going to get it one way or another
 

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I am wondering if V4L has any plans if the ban of mailing ecigs and the products ( juice, cartomizers, batteries.. etc) goes into effect.... As of right now we in the USA can order but if the ban does happen and includes ecigs and the products that go with it, we won't be able to get them through the mail?!?

unfortunately it wouldn't be the best idea for vapor4life to publicly admit to on this forum how they would hypothetically illegally send us our ecigs and juices. IMO:)

I made the mistake of stocking up thinking Armageddon was coming. The truth of the matter is a ban would take awhile to even go into effect. I wasted a lot of money on cartos that are now upgraded and I have no use for anymore because the vapor production & flavor have deteriorated.

I'm trying to remain optimistic throughout this whole ordeal, but for the time being I have resorted to just stocking up for a couple weeks worth of my favorite flavors since I go through them very fast. :D
 
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@ doots.... lol.. I just started vaping on July 1 2010, that is why this is all new to me. Even when I heard about the ban of tobacco being sent via the mail, I never thought it would pertain to the e-cigs. I guess I really need to stock up!!!

@ mwa102464.... ok... point taken... but at what price? lol...

This is the one thing that I have found that has helped me quit analogs.... I would be devastated to see that it is not available the way it is now!
 

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The price on new product when it first comes out, suppliers make money on the newest product and there entitled to for sure, however I always wait to get it because as soon as someone lowers the price to get the business others follow and as fast as theis vaping business is going with something new everyother week its worth the wait for me to order from all the suppliers I order from
 
@ Kimmy.. lol I wasn't really asking V4L to admit to something hypothetically illegal! It was more of a question of.... retail places, kiosks etc... along those lines if the ban did happen. I understand that they may not want to go that route if this wasn't a possibility but with it looming.... I was curious to see if they had a "back up" plan...

lol... selfish reasons I guess... since this is the only thing that has seem to help me quit analogs besides being pregnant... and I have no plans on that in the future!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I made the mistake of stocking up thinking Armageddon was coming. The truth of the matter is a ban would take awhile to even go into effect. I wasted a lot of money on cartos that are now upgraded and I have no use for anymore because the vapor production & flavor have deteriorated.
:D

I keep thinking about some of the stash pics we've seen in the past, mostly JenJen, who I think has fallen off the edge of the earth.
 

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They weren't supposed to deteriorate though. That's what I used to think. The juice doesn't expire until 2012 right? How can their flavor and vapor production deteriorate in a few little months?

Are the cartos just different? Are they what is now referred to as the regular cartos?

Yep, the regular old original cartos. I'm not sure how or why they deteriorated, but I can assure you they did:) Juice stored in a bottle doesn't expire till than, but I think cartos after awhile don't work as well (others have chimed in on this before). I've been vaping almost a year (I think I really don't keep track) I keep saying 7+ months because that's when I stopped counting. Also, one can assume that the cartos weren't fresh when I ordered them way back when. So that also comes into play. Also, the older batteries work best with the older cartos, which prob comes into play since I use are newer batteries.

If someone wanted to they can clean these out though and refill them as long as the older style regular cartos are satisfying for them. Just not my cup of tea.


& now back to the original poster;):)
 

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This wont ever happen, and if it does there will always be an underground market place in my eyes to get your supplies, think about it you can order whatever pill you want even steroids over the INTERNET so something this simple will be easy for black market distributors to supply, The Govt only wants there piece of the pie right now and there going to get it one way or another

Yes and no. (imho) You can't legally possess any pill you buy on-line that otherwise is not OTC.

S&H through USPS means the gov't is already getting a huge profit they won't have it goes through UPS or FedEx or they jack up costs that forces it underground/into the black market, where you really don't know what you're getting. Sure, the gov can take and take and take more but, whoever votes that way on a product that helps people live healthier won't have a job in politics in 2 yrs.(It also won't work on revenue from e-cigs because it would give e-cigs a bad name & scare alot of new people looking to quit, away from ever trying what is THE ONLY thing that has worked for me and alot of other people)

It's already legal. Governor Schwarzenegger Terminates E Cigarette Ban in California

The only State that is holding a threat over e-cig users is NY. If they raise the keep raising price on analogs and make the opposite choice into a class war, they'll get their revenue from an increase in alcohol consumption and the more immediate loss of life that goes with alcoholism. We're living in a recession they are observing and if comes up again to totally ban e-cigs, the e-cig advocacy groups in NY have to explain why California was right all over again.

A real underground/black market, like people on the street, isn't likely to happen because it's not like drugs. e-cigs are used by normal, everyday people who want to improve their health @ a cost lower than tobacco suicide sticks. The biggies in tobacco would follow suit because e-cigs are classified as a tobacco product. If not it's discrimination by the choice to refuse to kill yourself. (suicide is against the law & so is complicancy in the suicide of another person - I don't think big tobacco wants that fight to be opened) + there are so many people who hate the tobacco companies whether they vape or not, imho, get rid of anything that requires needles to refill and the gov has a bigger investment in confiscating illicit drugs. And we can all happily get back to vaping.

Calling the DIY's an 'underground' is a poor choice of words. Vaping needs to more frequently use language that can't be associated to the drug culture. To me, anyway, that's not the 'fun' part about it. The fun of vaping is proving to myself I can quit with flavors I enjoy and not jeopardize anyone else's health in the process, meeting new people who get how hard it is to quit and (on my to-do list) vaping after a meal in a restaurant w/o having to ask anyone for an ashtray. :)

There is no fun in worrying I could lose everything for doing the right thing, having tried everything else, because a handful of people are too lazy to use the condom refill. I don't think it's about money but, safety first. I do think it will end up regulated but, that's a lot different from banning it. I don't think comparing buying e-cigs to pills helps stop the 'drug culture' association and it's 4000x less unsafe 'compared' to tobacco. It is a category unto itself, technically and in as much as we, the community use language and items that can't be used in either tobacco or drug cultures. It's only likely the gov will think not enough people feel they are doing enough to keep them safe and punish us for taking care of our health better. So to the OP just stop reading other forums that are missing the point and you won't worry so much. Very few people will be able to afford either if the prices go up through the gov. so let's hope they shift to penalizing an entirely different segment of society, if it even the ban thing gets re-opened again. NY did drop it.

Thank-you V4L for not including needles for refilling in your product line-up or instructions.

We have a fighting chance to succeed where many other companies' customers don't! :)
 

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Just to touch on the older carto thing, have you tried them at 5v or 6v because they where awesome at that voltage, so they could be worth saving and using if you like higher voltage PV's I know most V4L people dont use these but some do, im an old
V4L'er who still uses there cartos at 6v, but all things good, love is the answer.!!
 
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