If you quit smoking for better health, your mod choices just went down from 1000's to about 5

[dravell]

Young people pick up smoking mainly because it makes them "cool. Or similar social reasons.
It would be a shame if someone picked up vaping in the first place because of those reasons. Seeing all the shiny high tech toys out there...one might think that that could happen. Add the "flavour hype" to that and one could see how a young person might get interested in vaping.
Sure, make them vape if they badly need to inhale something to be cool, instead of smoking.
If I had anything to say, I'd ban smokes altogether. I am not advocating for either side (vapers vs big tabacco corporations). I'm just trying to remind everyone what vaping should be all about, until we know more about it! Is that so hard for you to understand? Vaping should be used as a last resort for people who try to quit smoking. After we find out what's what with vaping, and if it's safe, then ok, everyone should vape if it makes them feel better.
I just don't like the way flavours and flavour reproduction is being looked at. That should have less of an importance in this community. And don't tell me that if you don't feel your favourite aroma in vaping you default to smokes. That's low! Smokes have a hell of a taste, and if vaping only VG or even PG (if it works for you) gives you the nicotine you need, I don't see why you'd go back to smokes. It's like you're not even trying hard enough.
That's a childish attitude, bad for other kids to be looking at.
All of you should get your priorities straight! Smoking is bad, vaping COULD be bad! Not inhaling anything is the safest bet right now.
Who knows, maybe research could reveal that it's even beneficial to vape some kind of chemicals that are good for the human body. But until that happens, I'm an advocate for safety.

Im not sure you understand what we're saying.
To you its black or white. Attempting to quit and quitting. Believe it or not a *very* large percentage of people are vaping to replace smoking, not to quit altogether.
Who are you to tell any of us to get our priorities straight because we arent vaping to your standards of "being used to quit and THATS IT"?
And vaping should be used as a last resort? Wha? Huh? Vaping should be the first resort to smokers either wanting to quit or wanting to replace smoking.
I wanted to quit cigarettes, I happened to replace it with vaping. I enjoy vaping. I smoked because I enjoyed smoking. Now I have a much safer alternative.
You cant just tell people the only right way is to vape non flavored VG strictly until they ween themselves off nicotine, if they didnt want to smoke or intake nicotine they wouldnt have started smoking in the first place. Now they have a safe(r) alternative to do so.

 

[bob808]

I am one that wants to remind you that vaping is not yet researched and should be used as a last resort.
Last resort meaning, if you can't quit smoking cold turkey, if you've tried nicotine patches and other medically approved tricks, then, and only then you should vape, as IT SEEMS to be safe until now. Do you see what I'm saying? Can you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard?

 

[AnsonJames]

Most of us here quit smoking and went to vaping to keep from killing ourselves with analog cigs. But now we are finding out that the high temps associated with sub-ohming, high wattage, and just vaping in general not only can sometimes produce a burnt taste or a dry hit, but these temperatures cause cancer and cause your wicking, wire and juice to become toxic and carcinogenic.

Fortunately we have the new Evolv DNA 40 chipset based mods, which allow you to set a safe temp limit, so you are not toxifying your juice, wicking or wire, things that can start happening at temps as low as 410° F (210° C.)


So apparently, the mods that are safe for your health are:

Vaporshark rDNA 40 -- $189
Protovapor XPV-40 - $209
Hana V3 DNA 40 -- $250
Vapor Flask V2.1 (DNA 40) -- $299


and a couple of others much more rarely seen models, for a total of perhaps 5 or so you can buy right now.

Dumbest post I've read here in a very long time, on to the blocked list for you.

 

[Dyanne]

I am one that wants to remind you that vaping is not yet researched and should be used as a last resort.
Last resort meaning, if you can't quit smoking cold turkey, if you've tried nicotine patches and other medically approved tricks, then, and only then you should vape, as IT SEEMS to be safe until now. Do you see what I'm saying? Can you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard?

People are free to make their own choices on what methods they want to use to quit. Just like they made their own choice to smoke in the first place. Can you understand the words coming out of my keyboard?

 

[Alto101]

I am one that wants to remind you that vaping is not yet researched and should be used as a last resort.
Last resort meaning, if you can't quit smoking cold turkey, if you've tried nicotine patches and other medically approved tricks, then, and only then you should vape, as IT SEEMS to be safe until now. Do you see what I'm saying? Can you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard?

I do not agree with you at all. There is quite a bit of research into vaping. What you might mean is that there aren't any long-term studies done yet. That is a given since vaping is relatively new. Many people who review the non-ANTZ research to date would argue that vaping is about as safe as the nicotine patch and safer than Chantix (which is now being used as a defense for murder!).

Vaping does not have to be a method to quit smoking. Vaping can replace smoking. I never wanted to quit smoking so I found an alternative that is 1,000,000% better in every way.

 

[dravell]

I am one that wants to remind you that vaping is not yet researched and should be used as a last resort.
Last resort meaning, if you can't quit smoking cold turkey, if you've tried nicotine patches and other medically approved tricks, then, and only then you should vape, as IT SEEMS to be safe until now. Do you see what I'm saying? Can you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard?

Did you even read what I wrote? You didnt address any of my points, you just retyped it should be last resort.
I didnt say it was safe. I said it was safer than cigarettes, which is why we are doing it instead of smoking. Keyword: Instead. I guess I'll repeat it again, a lot of people vape to replace smoking, not quit nicotine and the act of using it altogether. Therefore its not the last resort, its the only resort. Do you understand the words coming out of my keyboard?

 

[bob808]

Yes, but by putting it this way, that it can safely replace nicotine and it's fairly safe, non-smokers could pick it up thinking it was safe and cool blowing clouds. That's my problem with the way vaping is perceived by non-smokers.

 

[Dyanne]

Yes, but by putting it this way, that it can safely replace nicotine and it's fairly safe, non-smokers could pick it up thinking it was safe and cool blowing clouds. That's my problem with the way vaping is perceived by non-smokers.

That is your problem we can't control who takes an interest in vaping just like we can't control people becoming addicted to {Other Stuff}. You can't save them all but you can save yourself.

 

[bob808]

Take a look at these ads from long time ago:
http://envisioningtheamericandream.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/smoking-smoke-without-fear.jpg
http://naskin.typepad.com/.a/6a01053618f097970b017ee77de858970d-800wi
http://cache.wists.com/thumbnails/a/72/a7226256131a292641af446f0d0c0c9f-orig
http://www.tbyil.com/gra_bdoctor.jpg

Back then people were talking about flavours as well. Back then, long time exposure research hadn't been done.

"Vaping does not have to be a method to quit smoking. Vaping can replace smoking." - It could replace smoking, yes. You don't understand what I'm trying to get across.
Vaping is at the moment an alternative that SEEMS safer. Given it's status as not being researched fully, I don't condone recommending it so easily. Sure, if a smoker has no other option of quitting, and vaping seems to be the way, by all means, vape!!!! I do it for crying out loud, as I can't do it any other way. Do you understand?
I don't agree with recommending it as a life style, so freely. It's not right. You can present it as an alternative, not as the most awesome thing out there. You could do that, from a moral point of view, after it has been researched.
Now, do you see my point?

 

[dravell]

Yes, but by putting it this way, that it can safely replace nicotine and it's fairly safe, non-smokers could pick it up thinking it was safe and cool blowing clouds. That's my problem with the way vaping is perceived by non-smokers.

If vaping wasnt perceived as safer than smoking we wouldnt have replaced smoking with vaping though. Its kind of the whole point. Kids think its cool to smoke which is why so many smokers started at a young age. That isnt going to all of a sudden change. If I could have my way I wouldnt let any minor ever touch a nicotine product, but just as teens will get booze and smokes and drugs they will do as they deem cool or fun. Thats just the way it is.

 

[Alto101]

Yes, but by putting it this way, that it can safely replace nicotine and it's fairly safe, non-smokers could pick it up thinking it was safe and cool blowing clouds. That's my problem with the way vaping is perceived by non-smokers.

Sorry to tell you this - many never smokers are going to try vaping. Why shouldn't they? The most respected researchers believe that vaping is 98% less risky than smoking. If this holds true - many never smokers who were too afraid of the risks of smoking but had the curiosity to try it will try vaping.

Other recent research suggests that vaping is not nearly as addictive as smoking - actually it is about as addictive as the nicotine gum (which is far less addictive then smoking). So even if lots of never smokers try vaping - most will likely become casual users and many will not vape long-term.

There are lots of ex-smokers who I believe will start vaping as well. They likely miss the rituals of smoking and when they discover that there is a much safer and better alternative they will start vaping.

 

[bob808]

That is your problem we can't control who takes an interest in vaping just like we can't control people becoming addicted to{Other Stuff}. You can't save them all but you can save yourself.

This is where you are wrong, and where my issue lies.
You DO contribute to the perception of non-smokers about vaping. If done correctly, yes, it's ok.

 

[Dyanne]

Take a look at these ads from long time ago:
http://envisioningtheamericandream.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/smoking-smoke-without-fear.jpg
http://naskin.typepad.com/.a/6a01053618f097970b017ee77de858970d-800wi
http://cache.wists.com/thumbnails/a/72/a7226256131a292641af446f0d0c0c9f-orig
http://www.tbyil.com/gra_bdoctor.jpg

Back then people were talking about flavours as well. Back then, long time exposure research hadn't been done.

"Vaping does not have to be a method to quit smoking. Vaping can replace smoking." - It could replace smoking, yes. You don't understand what I'm trying to get across.
Vaping is at the moment an alternative that SEEMS safer. Given it's status as not being researched fully, I don't condone recommending it so easily. Sure, if a smoker has no other option of quitting, and vaping seems to be the way, by all means, vape!!!! I do it for crying out loud, as I can't do it any other way. Do you understand?
I don't agree with recommending it as a life style, so freely. It's not right. You can present it as an alternative, not as the most awesome thing out there. You could do that, from a moral point of view, after it has been researched.
Now, do you see my point?

Yes yes we see your point over and over... Free choice is a great thing. I chose to vape to help me quit. Then I may chose to vape because I still like but it's MY choice. I have read all the literature and I have made an informed decision. I live with my choice.

 

[dravell]

Take a look at these ads from long time ago:
http://envisioningtheamericandream.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/smoking-smoke-without-fear.jpg
http://naskin.typepad.com/.a/6a01053618f097970b017ee77de858970d-800wi
http://cache.wists.com/thumbnails/a/72/a7226256131a292641af446f0d0c0c9f-orig
http://www.tbyil.com/gra_bdoctor.jpg

Back then people were talking about flavours as well. Back then, long time exposure research hadn't been done.

"Vaping does not have to be a method to quit smoking. Vaping can replace smoking." - It could replace smoking, yes. You don't understand what I'm trying to get across.
Vaping is at the moment an alternative that SEEMS safer. Given it's status as not being researched fully, I don't condone recommending it so easily. Sure, if a smoker has no other option of quitting, and vaping seems to be the way, by all means, vape!!!! I do it for crying out loud, as I can't do it any other way. Do you understand?
I don't agree with recommending it as a life style, so freely. It's not right. You can present it as an alternative, not as the most awesome thing out there. You could do that, from a moral point of view, after it has been researched.
Now, do you see my point?

I havent seen anyone on this site present it as the most awesome cool thing out there. No ones going around trying to get people to vape like a drug dealer trying to get new clients.
I will absolutely highly recommend it to smokers though either trying to quit altogether or as an alternative to smoking however because I KNOW cigarettes will kill you.

 

[bob808]

Young boys get pretty easily hooked on high tech gear, having the newest toy out there and pumping clouds so they could impress their friends.
I may be sort of an idealist, but shouldn't excess use be frowned upon? Like making the latest quadruple coil builds for blowing HUGE clouds? Or getting the maximum flavour? Especially when almost no one on this site knows the chemicals used for flavouring? (sure, there are a couple that could jump in and write the chemical formula but you're very few, please relax).
I am a biker, and also active on some bikers forums. And there are excesses as well, like people riding on one wheel, or riding real fast splitting lanes. While it may seem cool (like blowing huge clouds with chemicals that are not fully researched) they usually are getting slapped by the community if they try to post such crap.
I can understand the need to vape, I understand the talk about gear that could be more efficient in helping you stay off smokes. Like lighter gear, packs more energy, battery keep up for longer days, larger tanks for liquid (to keep you less busy through a busy day), less intrusive etc. Yes, I can understand that, and it's good talk.
But high watts, 10 coils in parallel, unknown chemicals as flavours, that I don't get. It shouldn't be so easily presented, and the community should think about these things. About how vaping comes across to the other side.

 

[Dyanne]

Good luck with your campaign. People under the age should not be able to be on these forums or buy ecigs. But teens will drink alcohol under age and obtain drugs. Those kids will find a way to do what they want and if they can't get ecigs to try perhaps they will find a way to get real cigarettes. Personally I'm tired of hearing about this as a gateway for kids to get addicted to nicotine but if they were going to smoke real cigarettes I'd rather they vaped instead... Bored with this now. Bye.

 

[dravell]

Young boys get pretty easily hooked on high tech gear, having the newest toy out there and pumping clouds so they could impress their friends.
I may be sort of an idealist, but shouldn't excess use be frowned upon? Like making the latest quadruple coil builds for blowing HUGE clouds? Or getting the maximum flavour? Especially when almost no one on this site knows the chemicals used for flavouring? (sure, there are a couple that could jump in and write the chemical formula but you're very few, please relax).
I am a biker, and also active on some bikers forums. And there are excesses as well, like people riding on one wheel, or riding real fast splitting lanes. While it may seem cool (like blowing huge clouds with chemicals that are not fully researched) they usually are getting slapped by the community if they try to post such crap.
I can understand the need to vape, I understand the talk about gear that could be more efficient in helping you stay off smokes. Like lighter gear, packs more energy, battery keep up for longer days, larger tanks for liquid (to keep you less busy through a busy day), less intrusive etc. Yes, I can understand that, and it's good talk.
But high watts, 10 coils in parallel, unknown chemicals as flavours, that I don't get. It shouldn't be so easily presented, and the community should think about these things. About how vaping comes across to the other side.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, strictly because not everyone gets their ideal or satisfying vape from the same thing, and the new technology can make the vape more enjoyable, easier to use, more options, etc.
With that mindset we should never have moved past cigalikes.
I get where you are coming from, I do, I just cant agree with some of it. Limiting technology and offerings because minors will be minors isnt the fix to the problem. Education is. Same way parents educate their children not to drink vodka when theres 1000 fruit and candy flavors of it they need to educate about nicotine use. Some will ignore it just like some will go get trashed on booze in the park with their friends, thats just the way the world works, has always worked that way. There's no stopping it, whether the devices are high tech or not.
I will also say I havent even seen one minor with an expensive regulated device, heck not really even a mechanical mod. 99.9% of the minors I see vaping are using super cheap ego pens with $2 clearos or cigalikes.
Ive yet to see some youngin with a Vaporflask or GI2

 

[bob808]

But teens will drink alcohol under age and obtain drugs. Those kids will find a way to do what they want and if they can't get ecigs to try perhaps they will find a way to get real cigarettes.

You can't go on this premise. It's wrong. You are using facts outside your control to justify your behaviour. You are shifting responsibility to them, absolving yourself.

Limiting technology and offerings because minors will be minors isnt the fix to the problem. Education is.

Well, this is where you should understand that that's exactly what you are doing. You are educating. Here. On this forum. That's what we all do when we post.
We are sharing information, that other people might resonate with. Once again, don't shift the responsibility of your words written on this forum. Kids these days pick up more from the internet than from home (sadly). And all of the people involved in this community are responsible for the general idea that comes out of vaping. Each one of you contributes a bit, an idea, some phrases that could determine someone else to do something. To decide to NOT pick up vaping, even if they don't smoke. To decide to buy that product, or this flavour.

 

[Dyanne]

I am absolutely NOT responsible for OTHER people's choices including teens simply because I vape. That's like saying I am responsible for teen suicide because I take antidepressants for depression. What a load of crap! Feel free to spread your fear for teens vaping on the teen threads. Telling ADULT ex smokers who vape to save their lives about your fears for teens is pointless.

 

[Dyanne]

Well, this is where you should understand that that's exactly what you are doing. You are educating. Here. On this forum. That's what we all do when we post.
We are sharing information, that other people might resonate with. Once again, don't shift the responsibility of your words written on this forum. Kids these days pick up more from the internet than from home (sadly). And all of the people involved in this community are responsible for the general idea that comes out of vaping. Each one of you contributes a bit, an idea, some phrases that could determine someone else to do something. To decide to NOT pick up vaping, even if they don't smoke. To decide to buy that product, or this flavour.[/QUOTE]

It is illegal for teens under 18 to buy/obtain ecigs. I will leave that responsibility to the police.