When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not kicking and screaming like the passengers in the car with him
Now where have I heard that before?
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If you quit smoking for better health, your mod choices just went down from 1000's to about 5
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Now where have I heard that before?
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Years??? I've only been vaping since Jan 31, '14! Geez almost a year now, whaddya know.
I don't care if it's wrong; it works for me. Which has a lot more to do with the WTA than the danged ol mod or atty! The kayfun just makes sure it tastes good and gives me good TH, so it's a great substitute for coffin nails.
I really have no earthly idea why anyone would want to vape at 20w, nevermind 200w -- I'll save 200w for my computer's power supply! For a freaking lightbulb, 100w is so bright it nearly blinds you!
The "whipped cream" I meant is that cloud of vapor that sub-ohmers seem so attached to -- if I tried to inhale anything like that, good lord, instant asthma attack. Vapor really doesn't need to be any thicker than cigarette smoke, to be effective, and not once in 39 yrs did I ever exhale any cigarette smoke that resembled whipped cream.
Andria
Sorry Andria, you didn't get the joke. "Inhaling whipped cream" immediately made me think of a practice which cannot be mentioned here, involving the particular gas that's used to foam up (real) whipped cream!
However, goes both ways. I really didn't understand what you meant by "inhaling whipped cream" in the first place!
ETA: whoops; I see that rurwin already cleared that up (perhaps a little less daintily than I.....)
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The moment spermium meets ovum... it's already a given that this is ( aka yours or anyone else's life ) is a finite affair.
DNA in your hand or inside your cells ...
Rest is just tweaking expiry dates...
Should I worry about burning my bacon too? Will this kill me if I eat it or am I safe?
Posting safety concerns is a good thing to do, scaremongering with nothing to back you up is what "they" do. So either find real info and try to educate people in what is best or better yet just get a life!
TBH for all we KNOW running at high temps could be safer than low temps, yes it's very unlikely but the people saying cigs were bad in the 50's at least had some info to back up what they were saying.
Posting safety concerns is a good thing to do, scaremongering with nothing to back you up is what "they" do. So either find real info and try to educate people in what is best or better yet just get a life!
TBH for all we KNOW running at high temps could be safer than low temps, yes it's very unlikely but the people saying cigs were bad in the 50's at least had some info to back up what they were saying.
Ahhhhhhh Booooooooo.
If I could blow a raspberry I would. Long live Aspire, Nautilus, Atlantis and the Almighty Sigelei
30 yr smoker risking thousands of toxins per annalog has just reduced my risks significantly in my recent conversion. I'll take my new risks, IF ANY, and bid you a good say sir.
I vape a used $100 Provari topped with a used $50 Kayfun, set up at 1.8ohm @7W ... I don't really care what temperature it vapes at.
For me, it is the perfect vape and easily keeps me off smokes.
For me, it is the perfect vape and easily keeps me off smokes.
Interesting. By calling somone "insecure", wouldn't that be considered an insult? And according to you, if you insult someone, it is because you are insecure. Soooo....does this mean you are insecure as well? What a paradox!
I've read all of this thread now and all I can say is " suppose this is as good as it gets "
The DNA40 chip is very effective in limiting temperature so it would be a reasonable assumption that it would be quite helpful in limiting or eliminating undesirable chemicals that are formed from e-liquid reaching high enough temperatures to form such chemicals. However, we do not yet know at what levels vapers are able to detect potential nasties in their vape so no one can make any claims that a temperature limiting feature produces a safer vape than any other type of gear.
The temperature of vapor is controlled by a combination of the amount of power used, duration, wicking efficiency and air flow. It would be incorrect to make the assumption that vaping at lower power levels guarantees anyone that that their vape won't reach temperatures that can produce undesirable chemicals. ANTZ researchers have certainly managed to produce all manner of nasties with low power devices, most likely by burning them dry.
One of the important questions that Dr. Farsalinos will study is to what degree vapers are able to detect toxic chemicals in real world conditions. Dr. F starts discussing his temperature studies at 24:36 in this interview with Phil Busardo.
The temperature of vapor is controlled by a combination of the amount of power used, duration, wicking efficiency and air flow. It would be incorrect to make the assumption that vaping at lower power levels guarantees anyone that that their vape won't reach temperatures that can produce undesirable chemicals. ANTZ researchers have certainly managed to produce all manner of nasties with low power devices, most likely by burning them dry.
One of the important questions that Dr. Farsalinos will study is to what degree vapers are able to detect toxic chemicals in real world conditions. Dr. F starts discussing his temperature studies at 24:36 in this interview with Phil Busardo.
What an unpleasant read this thread is.
I am shocked and appalled at the degree of rudeness and ignorance displayed.
I am shocked and appalled at the degree of rudeness and ignorance displayed.
I dry-burn my coils at 10W. They get nice and orange, which is somewhere around 2000 degrees F. Even with a wet wick, insufficient air-flow will lead to a spike in temperature. See PBusardo's interview with Brandon.
Notice that the coil doesn't start glowing until it's twice the maximum temperature that Evolv allow the DNA 40 to produce.
One of the questions that Dr F is studying, is whether the dry-burn taste occurs before or after the noxious chemicals are produced. I think I can taste anything that might be bad, but that's not proven yet. Until it is, the absence of a dry-burn taste is not proof of anything.
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The presumption is that a "dry" or "burnt" hit is not your coil reaching the red-hot temp of a dry burn, but that it's the WICK starting to burn - which I think most people are putting in the slightly over 400 degree range.
Doesn't change anything - I'm just pointing that out.
Doesn't change anything - I'm just pointing that out.
I dry-burn my coils at 10W. They get nice and orange, which is somewhere around 2000 degrees F. Even with a wet wick, insufficient air-flow will lead to a spike in temperature. See PBusardo's interview with Brandon.
Notice that the coil doesn't start glowing until it's twice the maximum temperature that Evolv allow the DNA 40 to produce.
One of the questions that Dr F is studying, is whether the dry-burn taste occurs before or after the noxious chemicals are produced. I think I can taste anything that might be bad, but that's not proven yet. Until it is, the absence of a dry-burn taste is not proof of anything.
I very much look forward to seeing results of his study.
I still think there's little danger at the level I vape at. I have lots of headroom to run the KF hiigher without burning, I just prefer it cooler.
I think temperature control will have an important role in vaping in the future. I applaud those doing real research in this technology. I just don't think the appearance of temp control devices suddenly makes everything else instantly "unsafe", especially for those of us who aren't running high-watt setups.
So if my wick burns I should...turn down the wattage. Got it. Seriously though, temp control is the obvious next evolutionary step in vaping technology and Evolve did a good job of cracking the door open. I'm pretty confident that no one should go back to shoving burning paper in their mouth though.
burned bacon is a known carcinogen
there is enough in life that is hazardous that we cannot control, might as well avoid what we can control
reminds me of people who are always spraying pesticides every time they see a bug, rather than researching and using something completely natural and food grade like diatomaceous earth - then these same people are somehow surprised when they get a cancer diagnosis or other health issues
Ok... so Andria is a numismatic dominatrix. Interesting things we learn about people...
burned bacon is a known carcinogen
there is enough in life that is hazardous that we cannot control, might as well avoid what we can control
reminds me of people who are always spraying pesticides every time they see a bug, rather than researching and using something completely natural and food grade like diatomaceous earth - then these same people are somehow surprised when they get a cancer diagnosis or other health issues
I mostly agree with that; I love gardening, and I'd really rather use natural organic means of controlling pests than poisons, especially on vegetables. But then again, some of the deadliest poisons are organic, and can be used for pest control, even safely on vegetables -- Sevin is a good example; totally water soluble, and it sure keeps the worms out of tomatoes, and aphids off roses.
However I had to invest in some more-radical stuff to kill the damned slugs -- I wear a facemask when I'm distributing it!
Andria
But you still have not been able to provide ANY scientific proof. IMHO, until you do, you are the one that is being abusive Have a
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