You do realize that thinking in such a logical manner is what makes living in this world impossible with out being driven mad, yes?
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I am not saying it's unsafe.
I am saying it is a disrespectful pack of lies, and if this is how VAPERS treat our NON vaping SPOUSES, perhaps we deserve the stereotype WE get in society.
Perhaps if we are too pathetic to tell the PEOPLE we have CHOSEN a LIFE with that we will be vaping inside, society is RIGHT not to take us seriously, care about our wants and desires, and feel that vaping should go.
Because we are FLAT out LYING and cheating and sneaking when it comes to vaping and the PERSON we have promised to love, cherish and protect?
I don't trust that person and I AM a VAPER.
For those of you saying your wives hold the whip? You have chosen to allow it. So, don't make it about HER. You picked HER. You married HER. You make jokes about stupid daytime TV, well guess what I don't WATCH that crap, because I have a LIFE that doesn't involve waxing the floors three times a week and yelling at my husband because he comes home smelling like vape after his 70 hour weeks, to get the hell away from HER, and to keep "HER" in the fashion she is accustomed.
Perhaps, it is time to tell HER where she can shove her TV, and perhaps she can do a good job raising the kid, getting a Master's Degree (I cleaned houses, oddly enough to do it, rich people's homes, because I could take the kid with me. He had NO days of daycare, speaking of "gross.")
I don't regret a single minute of it and perhaps my standards are higher..... Because I am smarter, more motivated ,and not a sheep. I also managed to put a good dinner on the table I cooked 90/100 because I cooked on weekends in batches.
We had a great time, our family and we still do.
I will also tell you that the act of forgiving 500 hookers was probably one of the best things I have ever done, in terms of learning about mental illness, addiction, etc. I did not expect my husband to have a nervous breakdown, but I certainly wasn't going to give up on him, not the way he helped me early on. Perhaps I have had life experiences that don't you know, make me go on about interior decorator shows and the like.
God. Such tripe. REALLY hold the woman you love in your mind. Is that all she is to you a whip and chain, and something to blow lies into? REALLY? WHY are you even THERE? Fear?
I have also lived in a lot of cultures and I MUST say the "American Housewife Shrew" is one of the most disgusting stereotypes I have run across and I NEVER find it funny. I always think, "GOD LEAVE YOU KNOW SHE'S NOT even PUTTING OUT."
But, some KNOW no different.
Anna
I am saying it is a disrespectful pack of lies, and if this is how VAPERS treat our NON vaping SPOUSES, perhaps we deserve the stereotype WE get in society.
Perhaps if we are too pathetic to tell the PEOPLE we have CHOSEN a LIFE with that we will be vaping inside, society is RIGHT not to take us seriously, care about our wants and desires, and feel that vaping should go.
Because we are FLAT out LYING and cheating and sneaking when it comes to vaping and the PERSON we have promised to love, cherish and protect?
I don't trust that person and I AM a VAPER.
For those of you saying your wives hold the whip? You have chosen to allow it. So, don't make it about HER. You picked HER. You married HER. You make jokes about stupid daytime TV, well guess what I don't WATCH that crap, because I have a LIFE that doesn't involve waxing the floors three times a week and yelling at my husband because he comes home smelling like vape after his 70 hour weeks, to get the hell away from HER, and to keep "HER" in the fashion she is accustomed.
Perhaps, it is time to tell HER where she can shove her TV, and perhaps she can do a good job raising the kid, getting a Master's Degree (I cleaned houses, oddly enough to do it, rich people's homes, because I could take the kid with me. He had NO days of daycare, speaking of "gross.")
I don't regret a single minute of it and perhaps my standards are higher..... Because I am smarter, more motivated ,and not a sheep. I also managed to put a good dinner on the table I cooked 90/100 because I cooked on weekends in batches.
We had a great time, our family and we still do.
I will also tell you that the act of forgiving 500 hookers was probably one of the best things I have ever done, in terms of learning about mental illness, addiction, etc. I did not expect my husband to have a nervous breakdown, but I certainly wasn't going to give up on him, not the way he helped me early on. Perhaps I have had life experiences that don't you know, make me go on about interior decorator shows and the like.
God. Such tripe. REALLY hold the woman you love in your mind. Is that all she is to you a whip and chain, and something to blow lies into? REALLY? WHY are you even THERE? Fear?
I have also lived in a lot of cultures and I MUST say the "American Housewife Shrew" is one of the most disgusting stereotypes I have run across and I NEVER find it funny. I always think, "GOD LEAVE YOU KNOW SHE'S NOT even PUTTING OUT."
But, some KNOW no different.
Anna
Because it's vapor and not smoke it adds moisture to the air, hence on a cold day with the heat on the Windows fog up, during the summer time with the a/c on its cold enough that the vapor doesn't create enough moisture to cause fogging.
Have alcohol by your hand or any proper window cleaner, since windows will get greasy and foggy really quickly. That's the issue in my car, less so at home, since it's a bigger space.
Be aware of smoke detectors or double check, if they detect anything other than fire fumes.
Some people are allergic to certain ingredients in the e-liquid. Like the smell could irritate them. Just ask your fellow mate if she's fine with it.
Next thing - electronics. Electricity hates anything that's wet. Make sure you ensure proper ventilation so that vapour wouldn't be in contact with TVs, PCs, anything, really. One friend of mine fried his PC due to vaping close to it. You know, gaming, how it goes.
And last thing - DRINK A LOT OF WATER. You're at home, you have plenty of water, stay hidrated, it doesn't hurt. You'll thank yourself for that, trust me.
Be aware of smoke detectors or double check, if they detect anything other than fire fumes.
Some people are allergic to certain ingredients in the e-liquid. Like the smell could irritate them. Just ask your fellow mate if she's fine with it.
Next thing - electronics. Electricity hates anything that's wet. Make sure you ensure proper ventilation so that vapour wouldn't be in contact with TVs, PCs, anything, really. One friend of mine fried his PC due to vaping close to it. You know, gaming, how it goes.
And last thing - DRINK A LOT OF WATER. You're at home, you have plenty of water, stay hidrated, it doesn't hurt. You'll thank yourself for that, trust me.
I always wanted to try being a kept man. Just once. Even if I had to vape outside.
And alimony. It would be great to receive than to give.
BTDT. I was "Mr. Mom" to our kids for about four years in the late 1990s. I also did a lot of interior finish work on the big addition we'd just put on our house, and toward the end of that period, I started my business. Shortly thereafter, my wife quit her very lucrative consulting career to work for the business and take over the mom duties.
My sister was paying alimony to her ex. She kicked him to the curb after his third DUI, for which he even spent some time in jail, yet somehow the courts decider she had to support him financially.
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I've never has anyone harass me for vaping indoors. That's probably because I used to be an unrepentant indoor smoker, so when I switched to vaping, everyone (family and employees) were completely supportive. A few weeks after I switched, one of my employees walked into my office (where I used to smoke) and said, "It smells like a freaking candy store in here!" "So, is that bad?" "Hell, no!"
I vape about 8ml 50/50 juice a day MTL (two 4ml Kayfun tanks). There was a time when I'd notice a haze on the windows in my Ram pickup, but the past couple of years that hasn't been a problem. I crack the drivers window when I drive and the HVAC fan supplies positive pressure. I do see a faint fog residue on the edge of the glass where vapor exits the vehicle. The residue wipes off easily.
Our house has 10ft ceilings downstairs and 9ft ceilings upstairs with three zoned HVAC units. They cost more initially, but lower gas and electric and smart thermostats offset that over time. Vape residue isn't noticeable anywhere that I've noticed. If I vaped a cloud machine I'd have to go outside.
Our house has 10ft ceilings downstairs and 9ft ceilings upstairs with three zoned HVAC units. They cost more initially, but lower gas and electric and smart thermostats offset that over time. Vape residue isn't noticeable anywhere that I've noticed. If I vaped a cloud machine I'd have to go outside.
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LOL, yes true about the smoke detectors.
I don't vape directly around my SO or pet. Especially around my pet, they have smaller lungs and bodies. I will do so in my office with the door closed, give it time to dissipate. Likewise at work, I'll go outside.
Even at a casino that allows smoking while playing a table game, a big cloud of vapor is often not appreciated.
I get it that many others don't want the exposure (and some don't enjoy the odor), and that's fine with me. Do unto others, etc. applies.
I don't vape directly around my SO or pet. Especially around my pet, they have smaller lungs and bodies. I will do so in my office with the door closed, give it time to dissipate. Likewise at work, I'll go outside.
Even at a casino that allows smoking while playing a table game, a big cloud of vapor is often not appreciated.
I get it that many others don't want the exposure (and some don't enjoy the odor), and that's fine with me. Do unto others, etc. applies.
This is how it ought to be, respectful of all. Very considerate.
And like I said, I live alone, I’m alone here most of the time, so if what little residue there is doesn’t bother me, it harms no one else either.
When there’s a party, at mine or anyone else’s house, we do like your people do, we go outside. And I don’t have a problem hanging with the smokers to vape as they’re my family and friends. I promised I wouldn’t become one of those holier-than-thou ex smokers.
My condo is small,, me chain vaping and husband pod hasn't left residue so far. ( Do you even count pod exhaust hahaha). I think its because we have a doggy door our dog uses for her security checks and the frequent walks she demands from her 2pet humans creating a quite regular air exchange in our home
That's something to think about. My wife and I both vape, but she can't stand the aroma of coffee or tobacco flavored vapes. I had to drop both of those.
Just make sure you ask and be prepared to limit your indoor vaping to flavors she is OK with.
I stopped smoking in my homes and in vehicles when non smokers were on board forever when I lived in the deep snow frozen north in the late mid 70's. That's when I first learned about second hand tobacco smoke. So going out to stand in deep snow sub zero temps became the norm in winter, and 100+ hot sun in the summers. Later when I moved to the desert, divorced and started smoking again I still did not smoke in my home, went out in 120 in the shade hot summers but very mild winters. So how has vaping changed that? I am still considerate of other folks when rarely around them, but I live a solo life now so can vape in my home 24/7 if I want to. I don't vape the massive amount of joose I used to though (I'm starting to loose interest in vaping). My experiences at home... DL clouds and smoke detectors don't always get along with each other if I'm close enough to them. If I am sitting at my computer desk I am vaping, but don't notice a build up on my monitor when I clean it weekly. Same with the TV's, windows, blinds that are lucky if they get cleaned once a month So I have noticed no negatives about vaping in the house for about 6.5 years now. Also none is noticed on the windows of my so called daily driver (but then most active people drive more miles in a week than I do in a year now, so the inside windows have gone years without being cleaned).
It might be just me but I find this wonderfully ironic that a woman is telling men how to stand up for themselves and behave in one way in regards to how other women are telling them to behave in a different way.
And some men seem to like/love it!
Right. That is why it should be a conversation. For those types of reasons. I would never vape in someone else's house without permission.
My husband really can't stand the smell of dry burning coils, so I do it when he is not around or I go outside.
The "sneak it in" approach is not only demeaning, it does increase the chance that your wife will be upset when you DO finally make it clear you are doing so.
Because when she does, she is going to remember those "cat food" moments and if she's not an idiot, she is going to remember you sitting there, saying nothing.
Her feelings may be hurt and she, too, may think you were "thinking it was funny" as you so abundantly made clear.
The husband has been a "kept" husband for a while, he had to retire on SSDI due to twice broken neck and PTSD and I work.
I probably could have to pay him alimony if we divorced. I don't plan to and a lot of the time, I think he works harder than *I* do. I desperately wish we could *find* someone to pay to do what he's doing to the house, but he does it better than most contractors and good luck in Tucson. Thank Go we have ROOFERS.
He also does what I did (when he's around) when *I* was not working due to various reasons and helps me out, cooks, cleans, (heck when I was off work I IRONED and I iron for *no human* LOL.)
Once we are settled he may work part time, or build stuff and sell it which he has done before.
I have no complaints, I have repeatedly told him that he was there for my son, me and everyone else in my family for the 15 years we have been married, and whomever brings in, well dough and health insurance that's great.
I don't care if he ever goes back to work. I like work. I am happy at work. I have no complaints, and I do not value my husband by the amount of "money" he brings to the relationship. There are times he was making more than I was.
Just like our house, it is also "our" money. He's better with it so I just give him most of mine, and keep what it need, and some of what I want.
It works for us. But again, I am not traditional. My husband is 55, has a LOT of pain, and I consider it more than fair that once we are settled he get to relax a bit before the pain gets worse... Because it will get worse.
He doesn't take anything, either. Barely an Advil here and there. He says if he doesn't "feel" it, he will reinjure it.
I guess we're not normal. Thank God, LOL
Ann
My husband really can't stand the smell of dry burning coils, so I do it when he is not around or I go outside.
The "sneak it in" approach is not only demeaning, it does increase the chance that your wife will be upset when you DO finally make it clear you are doing so.
Because when she does, she is going to remember those "cat food" moments and if she's not an idiot, she is going to remember you sitting there, saying nothing.
Her feelings may be hurt and she, too, may think you were "thinking it was funny" as you so abundantly made clear.
The husband has been a "kept" husband for a while, he had to retire on SSDI due to twice broken neck and PTSD and I work.
I probably could have to pay him alimony if we divorced. I don't plan to and a lot of the time, I think he works harder than *I* do. I desperately wish we could *find* someone to pay to do what he's doing to the house, but he does it better than most contractors and good luck in Tucson. Thank Go we have ROOFERS.
He also does what I did (when he's around) when *I* was not working due to various reasons and helps me out, cooks, cleans, (heck when I was off work I IRONED and I iron for *no human* LOL.)
Once we are settled he may work part time, or build stuff and sell it which he has done before.
I have no complaints, I have repeatedly told him that he was there for my son, me and everyone else in my family for the 15 years we have been married, and whomever brings in, well dough and health insurance that's great.
I don't care if he ever goes back to work. I like work. I am happy at work. I have no complaints, and I do not value my husband by the amount of "money" he brings to the relationship. There are times he was making more than I was.
Just like our house, it is also "our" money. He's better with it so I just give him most of mine, and keep what it need, and some of what I want.
It works for us. But again, I am not traditional. My husband is 55, has a LOT of pain, and I consider it more than fair that once we are settled he get to relax a bit before the pain gets worse... Because it will get worse.
He doesn't take anything, either. Barely an Advil here and there. He says if he doesn't "feel" it, he will reinjure it.
I guess we're not normal. Thank God, LOL
Ann
I am discussing the respect of ONE human being toward another.
The fact that I did not make it gender neutral is because it isn't.
I guess I am a feminist at heart. And please, not the kind that goes around saying being a housewife is terrible either. Being an autocratic and rude housewife or saying "I make the rules because I'm in it" housewife is pathetic and really, that type of woman should be called to the carpet. My husband made it pretty clear that if I ever needed to take time off and stay home with the kid, I should, and there was about 18 months I did exactly that. It always worked out.
I really think that if you have a good marriage, this type of stereotype need NOT go on. I think if you are a vaper and you can't respect those you are sneaking around, that is pretty lame.
Perhaps some of the guys love it because they think it's as TOTALLY pathetic as I do. I'm not saying every man or person acts the way THIS has gone down.
So, I find your comments a bit irrelevant only except perhaps it is TRUE that men feel their wives are (censored)s or MAYBE they do that ALSO, and they agree with the CONCEPT of TRUE equality.
I don't tell my husband every little thing, I doubt he does me, either. However, yeah the big stuff I tell him. I also answer truthfully when he asks.
I also don't believe BJs should end on your wedding night, and I was paying attention when I wrote my marriage vows and listening when my husband spoke his.
Yes we have both violated them in different ways, but our experiences sure taught us a lot about honesty, even when things were headed south.
I guess with the stuff I've been through, the idea of lying about vaping indoors seems not only inconsequential but RIDICULOUS.
The only reason this is not gender neutral actually is due to the genders of the parties involved. I would be equally scathing toward a WOMAN.
And I am-- SOME women.
Anna
The fact that I did not make it gender neutral is because it isn't.
I guess I am a feminist at heart. And please, not the kind that goes around saying being a housewife is terrible either. Being an autocratic and rude housewife or saying "I make the rules because I'm in it" housewife is pathetic and really, that type of woman should be called to the carpet. My husband made it pretty clear that if I ever needed to take time off and stay home with the kid, I should, and there was about 18 months I did exactly that. It always worked out.
I really think that if you have a good marriage, this type of stereotype need NOT go on. I think if you are a vaper and you can't respect those you are sneaking around, that is pretty lame.
Perhaps some of the guys love it because they think it's as TOTALLY pathetic as I do. I'm not saying every man or person acts the way THIS has gone down.
So, I find your comments a bit irrelevant only except perhaps it is TRUE that men feel their wives are (censored)s or MAYBE they do that ALSO, and they agree with the CONCEPT of TRUE equality.
I don't tell my husband every little thing, I doubt he does me, either. However, yeah the big stuff I tell him. I also answer truthfully when he asks.
I also don't believe BJs should end on your wedding night, and I was paying attention when I wrote my marriage vows and listening when my husband spoke his.
Yes we have both violated them in different ways, but our experiences sure taught us a lot about honesty, even when things were headed south.
I guess with the stuff I've been through, the idea of lying about vaping indoors seems not only inconsequential but RIDICULOUS.
The only reason this is not gender neutral actually is due to the genders of the parties involved. I would be equally scathing toward a WOMAN.
And I am-- SOME women.
Anna
Yeah, a little respect goes a long way.
A chiropractor told me that years ago when I was having back problems. She said pain is there for a reason, to tell us not to do whatever we are doing, so only take painkillers when you really have to.
Did I say I like to vape?
I just started last month, would never have dreamed that I would want to vape indoors, never ever for tobacco! So this is an evolution for me. Me thinks my attempts at humor have been taken too seriously but that’s the way written communication like this often goes.
Cheers everyone and happy vaping!
T
I just started last month, would never have dreamed that I would want to vape indoors, never ever for tobacco! So this is an evolution for me. Me thinks my attempts at humor have been taken too seriously but that’s the way written communication like this often goes.
Cheers everyone and happy vaping!
T
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