Introducing the Precise WorkHorse from Super-T

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forcedfuel50

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What type of your battery are you using on it? Is it one of the protected ones with the three little protruding bumps on them (I've had customers in the past have problems with those types of batteries). Is the top positive post making contact with the battery good while simultaneously making good contact with the Big block center posts(if the center post is flush or below flush with the delrin insulator, your positive may not be making good contact). Just a couple of things to look at. Based on our emails, I think you've tried just about all you can on your end, in that case, probably the best thing at this point is for us to take a look at it and see if there isn't something overlooked or defective in which case we can exchange or fix your unit.
 
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I'm using VTC4's and Samsung 25R's. I posted here because I wanted to see if anyone had a similar problem or if it might be the magnets I put in. The positive contact should be fine. When you sent the new negative contact it seemed to work okay for a day then got progressively worse again. Would the marks on the batteries and bottom contact be a sign of a poor connection?

From reading reviews on here it seems this is an isolated case. Thank you for the excellent customer service, I'll be sure to get it in the mail ASAP
 

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0.6 ohm 24g single coil. The same coil runs fine on my other mods, including my DNA. It's a tiny dark spot at the center of the contact (and battery). This happened after approximately 4 battery cycles, and now I have to find the "sweet spot" to get it to fire correctly--which usually involves spinning the button and hitting it just right along the edge. Could it be the magnets? I didn't think they were likely to be the problem, but I'll leave them in when I send it back just in case. They are N50 17mm OD x 10mm ID x 1mm thick. If they're causing the issue I'd be happy to purchase an HD spring.
 

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Thanks, I'll order one to try out. Wouldn't my original spring fire normally if it were that? Or could the magnets have caused arcing/shorts and marks on the contact?

You may want to try replacing a battery too with a new one. If the bottoms of the batteries have arc marks on them, it may be interfering with good connection since the switch post makes direct contact with the bottom of the battery.
 

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Here is a link to a few photos of my contacts and battery. Both the battery and negative contact are new--this is after a few cycles. It looks fairly normal but it seems to be causing the weak firing

Edit** Hopefully I'm not sending the wrong message here--just looking for a solution! I've owned both a simplicity and this workhorse and I have nothing but great things to say about the quality. This firing issue just has me stumped.
 
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Assembling and polishing the Titanium ELA's now. Would anyone who ordered one rather have a smooth lock ring verses the standard knurled. We made some in each type, both out of TI, so if you wanted to substitute, you can.

I would like both please and thanks :)
 

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HD spring makes the switch feel even better. Thanks for the quick shipping.

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Here is a link to a few photos of my contacts and battery. Both the battery and negative contact are new--this is after a few cycles. It looks fairly normal but it seems to be causing the weak firing

Edit** Hopefully I'm not sending the wrong message here--just looking for a solution! I've owned both a simplicity and this workhorse and I have nothing but great things to say about the quality. This firing issue just has me stumped.

Shouldn't be seeing those black spots on the battery and negative terminal - if they start clean and appear like that - it's arcing (which would definitely explain weak firing). Clean it all up - and see what you may be able to do to improve the contact.
 

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Thank you. I've tried everything (and I'm on my second negative contact). I'll be sending it in for service this week. I believe something is wrong with mine, but mechs are so simple it's hard to determine what it could be. Has anyone tested voltage drop? My workhorse is firing noticeably weaker than my other copper/SS mods. Is it fair to compare palladium coated contacts with copper and brass?
 

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Thank you. I've tried everything (and I'm on my second negative contact). I'll be sending it in for service this week. I believe something is wrong with mine, but mechs are so simple it's hard to determine what it could be. Has anyone tested voltage drop? My workhorse is firing noticeably weaker than my other copper/SS mods. Is it fair to compare palladium coated contacts with copper and brass?

Palladium plated brass contacts would have the same or less voltage drop then copper or brass, see our Rhodium/Palladium Sticky above for why. If it's firing weaker, it's probably not the contacts (unless they just simply aren't making good contact for some reason such as damaged, misaligned, not tightened etc).

With a few rare exceptions (like the GGTS), most all mechanical negative ground bottom button mods use the same basic switch design we pioneered over 5 years ago now, where the button (usually with a replaceable contact of some sort screwed in it), makes direct contact with the battery negative end to complete the circuit.

The returning negative current on all of these mods completes the ground when it touches the negative end of the battery via two electrical paths (so called "dual" grounding):

(1) through friction between the button and the walls of the supporting cylinder/bore it slides up and down in when depressed (Where the name "Mechanical" mod originates from, they operate by metal to metal contact, no wires) and

( 2) through the spring which contacts the body and the button simultaneously. The exception to this is when the spring is replaced with magnets, it then becomes a single ground, via friction only.

If you are having weak performance, it is 9 out of 10 times due to oxidation interfering with the electrical path. Stainless steel oxidizes too, albeit it a much slower rate then raw brass or copper and is invisible.

Things to consider when "cleaning" a mod.

1. Looking clean doesn't mean its free of oxidation. Stainless oxidizes too and is invisible to the eye. There needs to be some mild abrasive to literally remove the oxidation build up, this is what we mean when we say "clean". Soap won't do it, some polishes wont do it, despite them looking all shiny afterwards(some polishes even leave a layer which further reduces contact). Try a pencil eraser on the contact surfaces or some very fine steel wool.

2. An often overlooked part is not just the button, but where the button rides up and down in the bore. The electricity passes from this bore wall to the button so clean it.

3. Clean the ends of the spring with the same abrasive as well as clean the body and switch area where the spring contacts.

4. If you have a telescoping mod, be sure to "clean" the brass compression band inside the lock ring.

5. Be sure to clean out the juice well in the positive pin area (this is an area where just soap, hot water and a toothbrush comes in handy) Juice and gunk buildup in the positive pin area can effect connection dramatically.

6. If you have a "hot button" (do a youtube/internet search and you'll see no negative ground mod is immune) and have determined there are not any shorts in the battery or atomizer, your problem may be increased resistance due to oxidation build up or the build of the coil is too low of ohm and drawing to many amps for the switch to carry. Thoroughly clean the mod and if it persists, replace the spring with an HD version if one is available for your mod or intertwine two OEM springs or an HD and OEM spring, it will increase the amp carrying limit of your switch.
 
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