IPV 35w and 50w box mods
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Anyone done research on the company who makes the box , chip looks to be very good , decisions , decisions lol.
I know of the chipset, but not the company that is making the box. Not too worried about it, as I can easily repair anything in the box.
Oh cool , at least we know these come from a vendor with some experience making electronic components , if those two mods have a solid rep i will feel a lot better about purchasing one.
Well, this thread just cost me $107 
Between this one and the Dovpo E Mech it's been an expensive week.
Between this one and the Dovpo E Mech it's been an expensive week.What i really like about the sx350 is the fact it regulate down to 1V although i have only seen manufacture go down to 3V which seems fine too me. I have the Coulpor dna clone which i love but it only regulates down to 4V the big downside too the DNA IMHO. with the upgrade last month of the + and - button and 50 watts, I hear its coming out next month, its already in the chip. The sx350 with twin batteies seem to me the "go too" mod. Problem is i don't see any around, am all over a well built small box mod with the sx350 and 2 batteries. Where are they is the question ? whould like too see a bit more testing on the sx350 as well. Seen the german guy with the sx200 but that about it for numbers ?
Folks seem more interested in buying clones of expensive mods instead of decent original items.
Someone posted photos on the Cana thread and a couple of people thought this looks 'cheap' - I personally think that this looks bloody fantastic.
The specs are also top notch - chip made by YIHI who manufactures the SX350 - 50 watts on the IPV2 with a 20 amp limit.
I think the SX-330 will be a solid performer based on my experience with the SX-220 and SX-350. It doesn't seem like the SX-330 has much in the way of buck circuitry, but that's OK - neither do the current DNA chips.
My only gripe is with the female silhouette they've etched into the aluminum case. I'd prefer a version without that, but I'll probably buy one anyway.
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That looks like something you would see on a set of 18 wheeler mudflaps from the 1970's. I gotta get a wallet with a beltloop chain!
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I'm getting one... maybe two..I think she'll be more understanding if she has her own.
Decision is to get each color or not?..I'll sneakily ask her what she thinks looks better..
Where is everyone getting their 50watt version?
Decision is to get each color or not?..I'll sneakily ask her what she thinks looks better..
Where is everyone getting their 50watt version?
After looking at the 3 or 4 site selling preorders on these, looks like the OP link in the first post is the place too me.
I'm getting one... maybe two..I think she'll be more understanding if she has her own.
Decision is to get each color or not?..I'll sneakily ask her what she thinks looks better..
Where is everyone getting their 50watt version?
Yeah, I'm just considering reddit's thing. I'll pay $50 more(getting 2), but don't pay until 7-11.. and I'm further up on the list.
Edit... just signed up for a black and a gray through redit.
Edit... just signed up for a black and a gray through redit.
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Yep,
Shame it's not a clone - a lot of folks around here only seem to be interested in those.
I don't think people care if it's a clone or not. People seem to be interested in a good deal, and the vast majority of "authentic" mods are total rip-offs.
Take authentic mech mods for instance. Do you know how hard it is to find an original, authentic mech mod for less than $200? There aren't very many.
Yet somehow Hcigar managed to make an original, authentic mech mod and sell if for less than $40 which begs the question "Why do the others cost so much"? All of the old arguments about how hard and costly they were to design and produce just flew out the window when that $40 original design authentic mech mod went on sale. If Hcigar can do it for less than $40 per mod then why can't everyone else?
Same with these box mods. First, they are ALL clones since a box with 3 buttons and a display window is hardly an original design and all of the internal electronics are purchased from a 3rd party supplier. $60-$90 is a good price range for a high end variable wattage mod, clone or original. If you pay more than that you're simply getting ripped off, regardless of if it's a clone or original. Break it all down and it's a $30-$60 chip in a $5 metal box with less than $20 in buttons, connectors, battery holders, and wires, all supplied by 3rd party vendors.
My Hana Modz clone cost less than $70 and has no logo. Would you pay $250+ for a real one if they also had no logo and no numbers, knowing that you can add the $50 Evolv DNA chip into the clone and have the exact same thing for just $120?
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how about small things like profit. overhead.advertising....you know, the things businesses have to account for besides just the cost of goods. china and their slave wages...you, as the end consumer, may love it...some folks, not so much...
Unless it's made out of gold or silver does it really matter?
Tube mods are flashlights. Same principle. Thicker metal, different connector, pin on button being pushed away from the battery by a spring or magnet, but it's still a flashlight.
A box mod is this...
Inside of a box. Boxes aren't hard to make. It's only 2 pieces, both made using rectangles. Very easy to machine or cast if you were inclined to do so, but you can make a box mod out of almost any box...
It's not rocket science. Quite the opposite, mech mods are the oldest and most basic electrical circuits you can get.
Well, that's an interesting point you brought up there.
First, how long do you think it would take to manufacture a box if you owned a full machine shop and had all of the tooling set for the job? A few minutes? How long would assembly take if you had one employee dedicated to assembly? About half an hour? And let's say you have a third person there who really doesn't do much but handle incoming and outgoing orders, opening boxes, and other grunt work not directly related to producing mods.
So these 3 guys should have no problem knocking out 16 mods a day at $250 each. That's $4,000 PER DAY in income.
Now, since you're machining these yourself you're going to need the raw billets. I've already checked, the raw materials will cost you about $13 each if you're planning on a run of 1,000 boxes. Add in chips, wire, 510 connectors, buttons, and battery boxes, all bought in bulk at wholesale prices and you're up to a grand total of about $70 in materials per box (including the box), for a total of $1,120 per day.
So, you're clearing $2,880 PER DAY after material costs. You've got 3 people to pay for the day. Let's say you're going to pay them all really well at $40 per hour for a total of $960 per day in labor costs. That leaves you with $1,920 PER DAY to play with.
Now, let's say you work 5 days a week for a month. Using this month as an example that's 21 working days at $1,920 per day income after materials and labor, for a grand total of $40,320 PER MONTH in income.
How much do you think Hana Modz spends on advertising? Have you ever actually seen one of their ads? I sure haven't. I think their bulk advertising is word of mouth. Still, humor me and come up with an average monthly figure that you think accurately represents their advertising costs.
How much do you think 1 month of rent is? 1 month of electricity? 1 month of water? Think it all adds up to over $40,000? I doubt it would add up to $10,000 unless your machine shop is in downtown New York. But we'll go really excessive here and call it $10,000.
That still leaves you with what, about $30,000 in pure profits PER MONTH? And this is AFTER paying everyone? And you think that's not excessive? Care to name another manufacturing industry with a similar profit rate?
Now, let's take all of that a step further by doubling the employees allowing you to quadruple output. You're talking over $100k per month after all of the bills are paid.
^ Wanna guess how I know you aren't a business owner? Or at the very least do not understand economies of scale?
Do you walk around a walmart and start to feel patriotic and angry at the same time because all the cheap stuff ISNT made in 'Merica?
p.s.
If you seriously think you can manufacturer mechs domestically at a production cost of "2 cents and a stick of gum" then why dont you quit talking about it and go make yourself a lot wealthier?
Do you walk around a walmart and start to feel patriotic and angry at the same time because all the cheap stuff ISNT made in 'Merica?
p.s.
If you seriously think you can manufacturer mechs domestically at a production cost of "2 cents and a stick of gum" then why dont you quit talking about it and go make yourself a lot wealthier?
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Here are som VERY high quality mods, all but 1 for less than $200:
Super T Manufacturing
Vaperev has plenty of Atimoo's in, all under $200.
There are good ones for $70-$90 as well.
Heck, by your reasoning, clones are too much as well.
Also, you didn't include the cost of cutting the metal (look up carbide metal cutting fixtures for mills), the cost of the machines(used tiny one $1,000, decent machine to do the work at a volume you are talking about $75,000 to $100,000).
I work in a field in which I am around alot of machinists, and have some basic skills, and thought the same as you. So I did some research into it, and stopped quickly.
If you already have the shop, you still have to recoup on equipment.
I am not saying that thee aren't overpriced mods out there - $200+ for a non telescoping mod is high - but the market is snapping them up.
So any business owner will sell them there.
In a way, you are railing against capitalism
Here are som VERY high quality mods, all but 1 for less than $200:
Super T Manufacturing
Vaperev has plenty of Atimoo's in, all under $200.
There are good ones for $70-$90 as well.
Heck, by your reasoning, clones are too much as well.
Also, you didn't include the cost of cutting the metal (look up carbide metal cutting fixtures for mills), the cost of the machines(used tiny one $1,000, decent machine to do the work at a volume you are talking about $75,000 to $100,000).
I work in a field in which I am around alot of machinists, and have some basic skills, and thought the same as you. So I did some research into it, and stopped quickly.
If you already have the shop, you still have to recoup on equipment.
I am not saying that thee aren't overpriced mods out there - $200+ for a non telescoping mod is high - but the market is snapping them up.
So any business owner will sell them there.
In a way, you are railing against capitalism
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