Is " Start Simple" Really a Good Option for Noobs?

[TheVapingJester]

I have read post after post recommending to noobs (like me) "Get an eGo and a ce4." While they are pretty inexpensive, they are also not as consistent as other options. For instance, have had a few ego style batts. but her of late my progression went something like: I bought an Evod with an 1100 mAh battery. Then a few days later ordered an authentic evod with a blister pack of coils because my fist was knock off and it wasn't functioning as I had expected, plus it doesn't hurt to have a backup anyway. I thought it was sweet and sexy. But I was still needing to carry around an older battery I had because the evod wouldn't make it through the day. Then I decided I want more battery life and more control, so I bought a Vision Spinner 1300 mAh and a pt2 and I was happy again....for about a week! The battery life was not that much longer, and if my voltage was turned up it was even less than the 1100. All of these purchases were with a month or so. Then, 2 days ago I recieved my MVP V2 with an iClear 30 and now I look at the other purchases and can't help but think "Why didn't I just buy this in the first place!" Don't get me wrong, I prefer the PT2 over the iClear 30, but the iclear is still a lot better functioning unit than a ce style. All of the ego style stuff I bought was around $55, not counting the cost of the Protank II.(love it!) My MVP with iClear 30 was around $43 delivered. So, I got way more for less money IMO. If someone is trying to quit analogs and is looking at vaping for that purpose, the last thing they need is to be forced to smoke a stinkie because their battery is dead, so they need a backup battery which is more dough. Also, starting cheap probably shouldn't be their main concern since anologs are probably costing them around $50 a week and has been for sometime. And with an APV they should have less trouble getting consitent results. And even if they do spring for some high end regulated contraption it is just more skin in the game. I can hear it now. "I paid $xx for this thing, by God I'm gonna use it!" Most regulated mods are still pretty much plug and play. Screw on your tank and hit the button! They come with extra features that don't have to be utilized, but can be if needed. Is there a reason to suggest an ego setup for noobs that I am overlooking?

 

[norcalmike]

I agree. My ego/ce4 progressed to an MVP2 and an EVOD after a couple days but I wanted to make sure i liked it before i dropped a bunch of dough on a nicer setup.
Im really only out 14 bucks on the ego kit. but i do still have it and it still works fine so im sure i can make good use of it or give it to a friend in need.
Some people are on a budget and cant drop 100 on a nice mod and a few extra goodies. I think the EGO/CEtanks still serve a great purpose

 

[Stosh]

An ego setup is simple enough for anyone to pick and get some vapor out of it. I can remember how amazed I was when I exhaled vapor for the very first time... Starting out, learning how for take a vape is important, can't suck on it like it was a cigarette.

I still have a fully functional 650mah ego battery, that can still produce a very acceptable vape with the right topper at the correct resistance, and it's only three years old. I think I got my money's worth...

 

[acollaro]

I think starters should get the disposable ones for 7-10 dollars for a few weeks and if there sticking with it should then upgrade to something your using now. I also did the same thing as you at first, must've spent 100 on different sized batteries then spent another hundo on a variable voltage variable wattage system in the first month.

 

[acollaro]

Now I usually go through two 18350 900 mah per day.

 

[tj99959]

If anything I think noobs have to many choices anymore, and because of that it can be actually harder to get started.
What is see is all to often noobs just buying something different instead of learning how to vape.

 

[Mark Anthony]

That's why the MVP 2 is as good for beginners and experts alike. Comes with everything you need and can be as simple or as evolved as you like.

 

[Kaisen]

Remember that for MANY noobs it's about trying to exactly replicate the smoking experience

Handing them something the size of a 18650 mod is going to be a giant turn off. Heck, even an eGo sized PV is tough to get their head around. They think it needs to be the same size and colors as their favorite analog.

However, everything you said about battery life and ease of use is valid. But a lot of times they have to learn that for themselves. It's a process.

Whatever helps them quit!

 

[r77r7r]

Test your idea out. Go help newcomers in the New Member's Forum for a month and only suggest an MPV.

Do they carry sufficient stock at a few different ( hopefully local) shops?

 

[Thrasher]

The main problem is in telling someone starting out well buy this PV for 120 bucks and you wrap coils like this and................. so yes it helps get people interested in the idea of vaping, lets them get started with little to no effort and investment. and shows them it can work
. and also covers the other problem, 90% of new vapors are convinces it needs to be like a cig somehow if not in size then shape and dont want some wierd box thing.
if later on they feel they will stick with it then you can go off the deep end with gear. people have to be introduced to the idea of pressing a button to get their fix, soon as the whole this setting that head these resistances thing gets going most peoples eyes glaze over and they think man this is too much effort.

 

[JRock]

i've found that most people starting out are in one of a few camps. 1) those that want something that looks like, tastes like, andworks like a cig. 2) those that are willing to get something a little different i.e. ego type or possibly a little bigger if it will correlate with better battery life/ performance. 3) those who want to dive in headfirst and buy a ridiculously huge device with an RBA of some sort for their first vape, not knowing what you need to do to actually use one of those

for type 1, you will have a hard time convincing them they need something more until they've seen the poor battery life/performance first hand. for type 2, those are the easy ones who are usually level headed enough to get something more than a cigalike but not go all out and buy a provari. type 3 are the ones to worry about, and where the bad press will come in as they tend to do ridiculous things like try to build sub ohm coils with crappy batteries and such.

all said and done, ego with a clearo is a good introduction to vaping, simple enough to be a fill and go system, advanced enough that they won't think their equipment is totally sub par and give up before they get to the fun stuff.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

If anything I think noobs have to many choices anymore, and because of that it can be actually harder to get started.
What is see is all to often noobs just buying something different instead of learning how to vape.

I agree and when I began it was either an eGo style PV, Mech Mod or Provari/ Reo. Choice of juice holders is MIND BOGGLING
The problem I see with these low priced Mods is many new vapers not understanding basic battery safety and the diff between quality batts/ chargers and low end batts/ chargers. Vendors don't help with this issue as I see many kits with low end accessories. Now we've got new vapers wanting to try sub ohms vaping. A major accident just waiting to happen IMO.
Heck I still occasionally use my Kgo 3.7 volt.
With my converts I start them out with a Kgo. Once they're comfortable and knowledgeable if wanting to move up at the very least they have the basics.

 

[InTheShade]

Well each new vaper is different. I tend not to recommend a 'one size fits all' solution to anyone. Rather, listen and read to what they say, ask a few questions and then recommend a device.

I'd have no hesitation in recommending an MVP as a first device if it fit their needs.

That said, everyone should have at least one backup, so purchasing a less expensive ego battery as a starter means they will have something to use as a backup anyway - regardless of what they move up to.

 

[nobreak1970]

Get an EVOD kit at your local shop if they don't care about aesthetics. Inexpensive and worth it IMHO.

 

[DaveOno]

If my only vape option was a MVP V2, I would not have started vaping. It looks way too, um, un-cig like, for a noobie.

"Start simple" means just that. The first steps are stopping (or drastically reducing) the stinkies and going to the vape. A nice V2 or G6 is a viable alternative for those wishing to give this vape thing a whirl. I have convinced several smokers to try a V2 or even my vape (Halo Triton). Speaking with 2 of them, they would not have considered a MVP, nor would they have even tried it!

I don't know if you would have appreciated the MVP had it not been for your earlier experiences. And with no offense intended, you don't seem to be a typical noobie.

The best advice I can give a noobie? Do your due diligence. Research, discuss, shop around. The last thing I want is for someone to get something that doesn't do it for them, and they return to burning tobacco.

 

[Baditude]

Interesting discussion.

I typically ask someone interested getting into vaping what their expectations are. If they say they want something along the line of a cigalike, I do caution them that this is common among novices but that the majority of new vapors who start out with those find they need to advance up to an Ego or mod within a month or two. Knowing this, they may reconsider starting out at an intermediate level with an Ego kit or an MVP.

I have no problem with someone starting out with a regulated mod as their first e-cigarette if they are comfortable with the larger size and not worried about learning about voltage regulation. It will have built-in protective circuitry which will cover many of the novice mistakes and protect against hard shorts (short circuits) which can prove to be dangerous with enclosed batteries.

Mechanical mods can be tricky as a first e-cigarette. Simple as they are, they have no built in protection. It's just a powerful battery, a mechanical switch, a heating coil, and the new user to fend for himself. Not knowing the limitations of a mechanical mod or battery that they are using can turn into a dangerous situation. A lot of this depends upon the complexity of the juice attachment chosen. Someone who decides to build their own coils without doing their homework can be a catastrophe in waiting.

Then we have the growing trend of vape shops that are selling brand new vapors a mechanical mod with sub ohm coils on an RBA, sometimes with inadequate batteries. No precautionary education about battery safety or danger signs of a short circuit, just go home and make some clouds. These novices don't own a multimeter and wouldn't know what to do with one. This trend is ridiculous and is just a bad coil or bad battery away from a catastrophe.

 

[dreamreaper]

If anything I think noobs have to many choices anymore, and because of that it can be actually harder to get started.
What is see is all to often noobs just buying something different instead of learning how to vape.

I ran into this BIG time last week when I first decided to get into vaping. I had tried the cheap disposables and knew it would work to get me off the stinkies for good. I came here with what I thought was what I wanted and wound up with stuff I didnt even know existed!!!!! I am very happy with what I got, but man its almost overwhelming for a noob like me!!!!

That's why the MVP 2 is as good for beginners and experts alike. Comes with everything you need and can be as simple or as evolved as you like.

I got one of those as my first and I am very happy with it and the price!!!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

I agree with your description of the early evolution of the "average" vaper completely. Great post and well written. Content even better. Thank you and congratulations for on point discernment. Yes, it most definitely, very often happens exactly as you described.

As others have so eloquently mentioned, new vapers have preconceived ideas about what is "comfortable." And "comfortable" means "familiar." And "familiar" means either ecigalike or ego (stick battery) as step-up devices. So, we can recommend the better devices, but the choice may be either outside their comfort zone, which may lead to them not "jumping in." And, yes, we want them, sincerely, to jump in, at whatever level of comfort and budget....just, please, jump in.....save your life. So, it's a catch-22, plain and simple. I will continue to recommend something like this for the new members:

http://www.myvaporstore.com/Vision_Spinner_Joye_Ego_C_Twist_Combo_p/vvs-c.htm

It's a Goldilocks solution. Not too little, not too big and we know it works for new comers. So, excellent and very solid choice. Also, there are many many members who use the gear in this kit for a year or more, and do get their money out of it, and do quit smoking, and do learn to love vaping. Also, people do evolve in vaping, but not always like you suggest with a week here and a week there. Many vapers evolve to possibly three setups their first six months, not the first three weeks, though, some do. Now, the nice thing about the Forum, is that when the new members ask the Forum what they should get, they are invariably advised to get any number of solutions that vary the complete gamut, including exactly what you suggested, starter gear, mid gear, high end gear and every other choice on the market, and usually a device that they currently like and use. Human nature to reinforce our own buying decisions by recommending them to others.

I usually recommend a range of devices, such as the iTaste, 3.0 (stick battery form), the MVP V2 (box mod form), the iTaste SVD (telescoping form), the Sigelei V3 (telescoping, compact and elegant form - and my favorite), and the Vamo V3 in stainless (best value in an entry level APV) as step-up devices. Now these are my opinion only and YMMV. But somewhere in that list is a wide variety of choices that are all very different in form, and budget cost, and they are work very well and should meet the needs of both new and experienced vapers. I never recommend a mechanical or rebuildable, or a high-end device. The performance on these devices is very similar. The same chip, more or less, variable voltage and variable wattage, ego and 510 threading, durable, popular, etc. Safe recommendations, for the most part, as evolutionary, next-step devices.

Anyway, welcome to the forum, thank you for the excellent post, good luck in your VapeQuest, power up and vape on! My two cents. All the best!

 

[edyle]

Yes start simple i think is the way for new vapers.

Trying to start with something too complex is going to have lots of people screw up their face and turn off; I still dont use my ego-c and wonder if its becuase i didnt figure out how to prime it properly or maybe its just the air flow that i dont like; i do want to get an ego-cc though, because it looks like they attempted to address the problems.

the disposables are a good place to start. You take puff of one and if you don't like it, you can just put it in your pocket as a backup, unlike a real cig thats already lighted so you'd probably just through a real cig away if you didnt like it.

The trouble with ecigs is its hard to get a SAMPLE.
With regular cigs you can often bum a cig off a friend and in that way you end up sampling different brands.
Not so easy with ecigs.

 

[Vap3Stone]

Of friend of mine got me into vaping and convinced me to start with mechanical mods and RBA's and I have a great experience so far and am not looking back.