Is the 510 REALLY the be all end all of e-cigs?!?

[Automaton]

Mistress - I have found a LR 306 on my eGo to be an awesome combination. 650 or 900mah batts drive the LR for a few hours and the vapor production is far better than a standard 510 atty and about 10% better than a LR510. IMO - this eGO/LR306 rig only really shines in the drip configuration

I'm one of those freaks who hates LR and high voltage vaping!

But I do dig the regular 306, and it is really built for dripping, you're absolutely right. The carts are so useless they kind of force you to try dripping anyway, which turns out to be a great thing with the 306. I'd say the 306 and the 901 are my favorite atties.

 

[LowThudd]

I'm one of those freaks who hates LR and high voltage vaping!

But I do dig the regular 306, and it is really built for dripping, you're absolutely right. The carts are so useless they kind of force you to try dripping anyway, which turns out to be a great thing with the 306. I'd say the 306 and the 901 are my favorite atties.

Don't like LR either. Though I might end up trying out the eGo mega LR atty. Just too tempting at $7.50 from HC.

 

[jude8753]

I stopped smoking with the 510, but it wasn't enough. It didn't take longer than a week to realize I should have gotten something with more power and longer lasting batteries and now with LR attys the beginners can have it all as far as I'm concerned so my answer was Ego/Riva/Tornado and that type. I think they have a much better chance of not getting frustrated and throwing in the towel.

 

[NCC]

I voted for the Riva/TorneGo and for the KR808d-1. Either of them would make a better first PV than the standard 510, IMO.

My first was a KR808. That's what I switched with. Then I saw all the raving about 510s and bought one of them. I knew instantly, from my POV, that it was a downgrade. But, not willing to give up completely, I got some of the xl or mega 510 batteries. They helped with the charge length, but I still wasn't happy ... and, batteries were failing at a very young age too.

As it turns out, the batteries were the big problem, at least in my case. After I got my Tornado & eGo I found out that the 510 atomizer itself wasn't all that bad, and the LR 510s were quite good. 510 batteries, a waste of money. 510 batteryless PTs are cool. The mega cylinder atomizer for the TorneGo is one of my mainstays now, along with LR510s on the Tornego and Kensington Power Pack & PT.

And, even though I've been wow'ed by TorneGo, and have been smoke free for almost nine months ... I still use my KR808s with XL batteries. They're just a good, hassle free solution especially good for those times when dripping isn't practical.
On the other hand, you can use the KR8's cartos on a TorneGo battery by using an adapter. Best of both worlds.

 

[DC2]

Well put. And my point exactly. I guess what I would like is for the "510 is the best" crowd to not tout it to be more than it is. A simple mini e-cig.

Your assumption is that all mini e-cigs are created the same, but they're not.
Each atomizer has a different resistance, and that makes a ton of difference.

The 510s worked for a lot of people where other models weren't cutting it.
And that was because they had a much lower resistance than all those that came before.

So lots of people started recommending them, and lots of the people getting the recommendations were buying and liking them.
The 510 grew in popularity very fast, because it worked.

There, now you've had your history lesson for the day.

 

[NCC]

Joye 510 hands down. Yes, the Ego/Riva's have more power and are more sturdy. But they do not feel anything like an analog in your hands, and that can be a big downside for a newbie.

Even as a nube, I had zero desire for a PV which looked or felt like a cigarette. The further away from looking like a cigarette it got the more I liked it. Not once did I buy a white KR808 battery, for example. I'm positive I've got company.

 

[Mr.Self_Destruct]

Your assumption is that all mini e-cigs are created the same, but they're not.
Each atomizer has a different resistance, and that makes a ton of difference.

The 510s worked for a lot of people where other models weren't cutting it.
And that was because they had a much lower resistance than all those that came before.

So lots of people started recommending them, and lots of the people getting the recommendations were buying and liking them.
The 510 grew in popularity very fast, because it worked.

There, now you've had your history lesson for the day.

Ding ding ding.

Winner!

 

[LowThudd]

Your assumption is that all mini e-cigs are created the same, but they're not.
Each atomizer has a different resistance, and that makes a ton of difference.

The 510s worked for a lot of people where other models weren't cutting it.
And that was because they had a much lower resistance than all those that came before.

So lots of people started recommending them, and lots of the people getting the recommendations were buying and liking them.
The 510 grew in popularity very fast, because it worked.

There, now you've had your history lesson for the day.

You forgot the part where most people who start w/ a 510 end up moving on to another model. And I am not assuming anything. I am saying flat out, saying that the 510 is "the best" e-cig, is not factually based. It is just an oppinion, one that I do not share. My third e-cig was a 510, and it took me only a week to figure out that I needed something else. The auto switch sux, would start up on it's own in traffic. Maybe the manual 510 is better(haven't tried it), but certainly it is not the "best" as people are fond of saying. The eGo worked well for me(still does) after that, but truely from my experience the cigarette shaped KR8 having a true 3.7v loaded works well, and the vacuum switch is day and night better than the 510. I can stick the KR8 out my sunroof at 40mph and it doesn't fire up. Same w/ my SmokeStik at 3.4v loaded(my sweet spot). The SS switch is even better than the KR8. The closest thing to a real cig that I have tried. Yes, these are my oppinions, but I believe an educated experienced oppinion based on trial and error over the last 6 months.

I notice your avatar is of a Chuck, not a 510. So then, the 510 must not be the "best" for you.

 

[LowThudd]

Even as a nube, I had zero desire for a PV which looked or felt like a cigarette. The further away from looking like a cigarette it got the more I liked it. Not once did I buy a white KR808 battery, for example. I'm positive I've got company.

Yup. I prefere blue LEDs, purple if I can get them. Black paint, or stainless steel. But there is still something very satisfying about a cigarette sized(stainless steel) PV, that draws and vapes very much like a real cig. Especially when drinking. Besides the fact that I can hold it in my mouth while doing other things like...typing this out

SmokeStik PitBull Beta test 250mAh RN4081 w/ improved cartos(see post #18 http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokestik/126895-a-2.html

To me that is the best, sometimes. But when I want big vapor and a nice buzz, I grab an eGo w/eGo mega cyl atty and a nice full cart.

 

[DC2]

You forgot the part where most people who start w/ a 510 end up moving on to another model. And I am not assuming anything. I am saying flat out, saying that the 510 is "the best" e-cig, is not factually based. It is just an oppinion, one that I do not share. My third e-cig was a 510, and it took me only a week to figure out that I needed something else. The auto switch sux, would start up on it's own in traffic. Maybe the manual 510 is better(haven't tried it), but certainly it is not the "best" as people are fond of saying. The eGo worked well for me(still does) after that, but truely from my experience the cigarette shaped KR8 having a true 3.7v loaded works well, and the vacuum switch is day and night better than the 510. I can stick the KR8 out my sunroof at 40mph and it doesn't fire up. Same w/ my SmokeStik at 3.4v loaded(my sweet spot). The SS switch is even better than the KR8. The closest thing to a real cig that I have tried. Yes, these are my oppinions, but I believe an educated experienced oppinion based on trial and error over the last 6 months.

I don't disagree with you that most people end up moving to a mod.
But a lot of people don't, and the vast majority of newbies don't even want to think about starting with one.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, to be honest.

But you said your point was that you wanted the 510 crowd to stop touting it as more than it is, just any old mini ecig.
Well, I disagree with your point, it is more than just any old mini ecig for the reasons I explained.

So I guess I still don't get your point.

I notice your avatar is of a Chuck, not a 510. So then, the 510 must not be the "best" for you.

Well, it is a Chuck with a 510 atomizer, and that is by far my favorite atomizer.

Maybe the best PV for me is a Little Sister with 901 cartomizers set at 4.3v when using Johnson Creek Tennessee Cured.
Or maybe a GGTS running 7.2v with an HV atomizer when dripping Javier's Secret MY4 juice using an annodized aluminum drip tip.

I'm just really not sure what you are trying to say?

If you're trying to say there is no best electronic cigarette, you'll get no argument from me.
But you seem to have a lot more on your mind than just trying to say that.

 

[LowThudd]

I don't disagree with you that most people end up moving to a mod.
But a lot of people don't, and the vast majority of newbies don't even want to think about starting with one.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, to be honest.

But you said your point was that you wanted the 510 crowd to stop touting it as more than it is, just any old mini ecig.
Well, I disagree with your point, it is more than just any old mini ecig for the reasons I explained.

So I guess I still don't get your point.


Well, it is a Chuck with a 510 atomizer, and that is by far my favorite atomizer.

Maybe the best PV for me is a Little Sister with 901 cartomizers set at 4.3v when using Johnson Creek Tennessee Cured.
Or maybe a GGTS running 7.2v with an HV atomizer when dripping Javier's Secret MY4 juice using an annodized aluminum drip tip.

I'm just really not sure what you are trying to say?

If you're trying to say there is no best electronic cigarette, you'll get no argument from me.
But you seem to have a lot more on your mind than just trying to say that.

I said "model" not mod. Most people who start on a 510 end up moving on to a eGo or some other PV. My only reason(and the only thing on my mind) is that I am tired of so many people telling newbies that the 510 is the "best" e-cig. It is one thing to say "this is what I prefer" , but that is a far cry from the 510 groupies saying it is the "standard when it comes to e-cigs", or "it is the best e-cig to start with" etc...The past week I have been reading that type of phalacies non-stop. What I was trying to point out(failed) is that there is no "standard" there is no "best", and if people would offer their oppinion of what they like and why, it would be alot easier to sort through the BS for newbies.

 

[SuZamme]

Since the poll was for the "best e-cig for new users" I voted 510.
That is what I started with and still use. It is simple, reliable, long-lasting, small, and cheap.
Yes, I have used other PV's - Blu, DSE901, DSE905, Mr.Puffer, 5v mod, VapeStack, 802's, V4L, eGo.

I love my eGo's and vape them all day without changing batts. I still use 510's for some juices.
I even tuck a 510 mega batt in my eGo case with an extra atty and juice - "just in case".

I think the true challenge for new users is getting the right juice. It doesn't matter what PV they choose, the juice will kill the deal if it's not right.

 

[Travis798]

Wow, it's kinda weird. I look at that poll and just can't vote. I see 510/ego/mod/whatever listed, and it's my view that when we say 510, we mean 510 atomizer. Honestly, the battery is not the e-cig, the atomizer is. Sure they give different batteries different names, but it all boils down to what atomizer it uses. I started off with a 306, knew I had to get something "better" for me, and moved to a 510. I've been really happy with it. I've tried the KR8's and 901's and found them lacking. That is of course only my opinion, as others love them and detest the 510.

I've seen a lot of threads with people recommending the ego, and I would also recommend it if the new user didn't mind the size. Some people want small cigarette like e-cigs, start vaping, realize they love it but hate the battery life, and then quit caring about size. Sure it costs them more in the long run, but it also leaves them with a spare, or something to loan to a friend that may be interested. You can get a 510 starter kit from cignot for 35 bucks, use it a while, decide to upgrade, and you're really not out much. The "510" is also versatile. I have 306 atty's that I can slap on and turn that bad boy into a "306" in an instant. I can get LR atomizers or cartomizers if I want. I currently DO use a mod. I had a spade and recently upgraded to a Prodigy v3 and gave the spade to my mom. I still consider myself a 510 user, because thats the atomizer I have. I do not consider myself a "prodigy v3" user.

The simple point here is that the 510 is an e-cig that has been around for quite a while and helped a LOT of people stay off the analogs and care about vaping enough to even consider a bigger battery, whether it be an ego/riva/mod/whatever, therefore it is what a LOT of people recommend. If it worked for us when we were in their shoes, we assume/hope it will work for them. Most of us that have been here a while didn't have the luxury of an ego/riva/or the vast amounts of mods that are around today. I tell them that a 510 is a great atomizer but they will eventually forget about wanting something small and move up to something better because they will get disgusted with battery life.

FWIW, I really never see anybody recommending auto batts. They have been discouraged against for as long as I can remember. Now please, can we stop pretending like batteries are anything other than a means to power our "e-cig".

It's all about the atomizer baby.

 

[LowThudd]

Wow, it's kinda weird. I look at that poll and just can't vote. I see 510/ego/mod/whatever listed, and it's my view that when we say 510, we mean 510 atomizer. Honestly, the battery is not the e-cig, the atomizer is. Sure they give different batteries different names, but it all boils down to what atomizer it uses. I started off with a 306, knew I had to get something "better" for me, and moved to a 510. I've been really happy with it. I've tried the KR8's and 901's and found them lacking. That is of course only my opinion, as others love them and detest the 510.

I've seen a lot of threads with people recommending the ego, and I would also recommend it if the new user didn't mind the size. Some people want small cigarette like e-cigs, start vaping, realize they love it but hate the battery life, and then quit caring about size. Sure it costs them more in the long run, but it also leaves them with a spare, or something to loan to a friend that may be interested. You can get a 510 starter kit from cignot for 35 bucks, use it a while, decide to upgrade, and you're really not out much. The "510" is also versatile. I have 306 atty's that I can slap on and turn that bad boy into a "306" in an instant. I can get LR atomizers or cartomizers if I want. I currently DO use a mod. I had a spade and recently upgraded to a Prodigy v3 and gave the spade to my mom. I still consider myself a 510 user, because thats the atomizer I have. I do not consider myself a "prodigy v3" user.

The simple point here is that the 510 is an e-cig that has been around for quite a while and helped a LOT of people stay off the analogs and care about vaping enough to even consider a bigger battery, whether it be an ego/riva/mod/whatever, therefore it is what a LOT of people recommend. If it worked for us when we were in their shoes, we assume/hope it will work for them. Most of us that have been here a while didn't have the luxury of an ego/riva/or the vast amounts of mods that are around today. I tell them that a 510 is a great atomizer but they will eventually forget about wanting something small and move up to something better because they will get disgusted with battery life.

FWIW, I really never see anybody recommending auto batts. They have been discouraged against for as long as I can remember. Now please, can we stop pretending like batteries are anything other than a means to power our "e-cig".

It's all about the atomizer baby.

The poll was in reguards to "kits". Maybe I should have made that more clear. Since most newbies are looking for a kit, and not piecing things together. Atty+batt is what the poll was for. Technically, any batt can be adapted to any atty/carto. So obviously this was not an atty poll.

 

[Travis798]

I think you are missing my point. I understand that people are going to be nervous about buying the "right" e-cig and some will come to this forum and ask those of us that have "been there". Having said that, anybody that is serious about starting vaping has access to these entire forums, no e-cig required. Now, these forums can be information overload, but there is plenty enough griping here about standard 510 batteries that people will know what they are getting.

Anybody that does not skim over the forums and do some reading, is probably not "quite sure" about vaping and will "more than likely" not want want something big, and for it's size, the 510 packs the most punch, regardless of battery life with the kits.

How many people on these forums that have been vaping for, oh, lets say 6 months, found the 510/pcc combo to be enough to not only get them serious about vaping, but off the analogs. You said yourself that you loved the 510 but ordered the ego the first chance you got. You basically ordered a bigger battery for your 510. You may, or may not have been willing to start day one with a bigger battery, but a lot of people aren't. They have to get that taste of vaping first. $35 for something that will serve as a great back up is a good way of doing that. Personally I will keep recommending the 510 with the disclaimer that they will hate the battery life and want to move to a bigger battery, such as an ego/riva/mod/whatever.

It has simply been proven, by the members on this forum, myself include, that the 510 starter kit is an excellent starting point. As someone already pointed out, we tried it, liked it, recommend it. Those we recommend them to try them, like them, recommend them, and so the cycle continues.

 

[jude8753]

What you say is true Travis and most people do want something small like a cig to start and most want them to look just like a real cig, but it does frustrate very quickly having to recharge all the time. If I had just gotten the Tornado to start I would have been much happier, but of course I didn't know that and I could have saved a lot of money if I had found this forum first instead of TW. My partner loves those 510's and is very happy with them (7 all together and they will probably last him a good couple years), but I was not. I still get all my mods with the 510 connection though because I like it better and I love the 510 and 306 LR attys, but the 510 certainly stopped me from smoking.

 

[LowThudd]

I think you are missing my point. I understand that people are going to be nervous about buying the "right" e-cig and some will come to this forum and ask those of us that have "been there". Having said that, anybody that is serious about starting vaping has access to these entire forums, no e-cig required. Now, these forums can be information overload, but there is plenty enough griping here about standard 510 batteries that people will know what they are getting.

Anybody that does not skim over the forums and do some reading, is probably not "quite sure" about vaping and will "more than likely" not want want something big, and for it's size, the 510 packs the most punch, regardless of battery life with the kits.

How many people on these forums that have been vaping for, oh, lets say 6 months, found the 510/pcc combo to be enough to not only get them serious about vaping, but off the analogs. You said yourself that you loved the 510 but ordered the ego the first chance you got. You basically ordered a bigger battery for your 510. You may, or may not have been willing to start day one with a bigger battery, but a lot of people aren't. They have to get that taste of vaping first. $35 for something that will serve as a great back up is a good way of doing that. Personally I will keep recommending the 510 with the disclaimer that they will hate the battery life and want to move to a bigger battery, such as an ego/riva/mod/whatever.

It has simply been proven, by the members on this forum, myself include, that the 510 starter kit is an excellent starting point. As someone already pointed out, we tried it, liked it, recommend it. Those we recommend them to try them, like them, recommend them, and so the cycle continues.

The 510 BY FAR does not pack the most punch from FHE. There are more vapor producing models, and models that have an auto switch that actually functions properly. And that WAS my point, that most people want as close to an actuall cig as possible, and IMHO the 510 does not do that better than other available models. I just wish that I had started on a KR8 or a SS. They are much better at producing flavorfull vapor than the 510, again from FHE. Have you tried a KR8 or a SS? They really work well. That being said, my eGo saved my .... today. I carry an eGo in a keychain case as backup. My SS went dead sooner than expected, most likely because I added a flat tip mouth piece and was vaping more heavily "hands free" than I normally do while driving. Anyway, got out of the dentist office, and NEEDED a vape, but the SS PB went flat after a couple drags. So I assembled my eGo and mega atty quickly(while still walking), broke in the brand new atty, and vaped away happily forgeting the unpleasant experience of the dentisis office. Like I said, whatever works great. But my experience was that the 510 wasn't cutting for me after a week. As for the 510 atty being so good, again I disagree. Having eGo mega attys I will NEVER use a 510 atty on an eGo again. And if/when I build a mod, it will likely have an eGo connector from a dead batt I have laying around.

 

[BiffRocko]

There is no "best." Thus, I didn't vote.

I whole heartedly agree with this. It's all preference.

I usually recommend an eGo variant to new users who don't specify any preferences. I might recommend are simple 3.7v mods like a Box Mod or a Chuck. The only time I'll recommend a 510 is when someone specifically says they want the cigarette form factor, and I usually recommend a KR808 or the 510. The 510 usually gets my first recommendation due to the fact that the attys and cartos are a bit more universal than the KR8's which need the special vented 901/808 connector to work properly.

 

[LowThudd]

I whole heartedly agree with this. It's all preference.

I usually recommend an eGo variant to new users who don't specify any preferences. I might recommend are simple 3.7v mods like a Box Mod or a Chuck. The only time I'll recommend a 510 is when someone specifically says they want the cigarette form factor, and I usually recommend a KR808 or the 510. The 510 usually gets my first recommendation due to the fact that the attys and cartos are a bit more universal than the KR8's which need the special vented 901/808 connector to work properly.

Now THAT fits the bill perfectly. I was just tired of the 510 Elitism. It is no better, and to some no worse than other similar models. And the poll shows one thing I assumed, that the DSE901 is the low man on the totem poll(Honestly, no pun intended. It just happened that way). Reason being, it is @3.2v loaded, just like the 510, but the KR8 which shares a connector similarity is 3.7v loaded and the batt is 100mAh higher. I'm glad we could at least understand eachother better. I hope this thread has opened up people to the idea that there are other, albeit less popular, just as good if not better for some people models that are fine starters. And in some cases, better for a particular individual. I would never recomend a 510 or any other sound activated PV to someone who "needed" an auto, like I did at first. It's just too problematic. Similarly, I would never suggest a mini to someone who said they didn't care if it was cig sized or not. It's just common sense IMHO.

 

[Travis798]

Yes, I have tried a KR8. While I was impressed with how well the auto worked, it just didn't do what my 510 did for me. I gave the KR8 to my grandpa because I figured cartomizers would be a lot easier for him, and he ended up preferring the 510 as well. My mother tried a KR8, and prefers the 510. My brother tried a KR8 and 510, and didn't like either of them. Therefore my experience has personally been that the 510 suits the needs of more people than the Kr8.

I understand that the Kr8 has followers just like the 510. It IS a good e-cig, I won't even pretend that it's not, however, it just doesn't seem to be what a lot of people are looking for. I agree that there is no best e-cig. I agree that you don't suggest a mini to someone that doesn't care about size. I agree not to recommend a 510 to someone that "needs" an auto, however I have yet to actually come across anyone that prefers an auto to a manual after using both. For that reason, I recommend manuals, as I want their first experience to be as good as possible.

All in all, the fact remains that people are typically going to recommend what worked for them, and the 510 seems to be what worked for most people. They may not have tried other things, they may have. The fact remains that the 510 has a great track record of getting the job done, and in the end, that's all that matters.