Is the PROVARI worth it...YES and I will explain WHY. Facts, not fanyboyism. Plz Read!

[Cearamm]

The argument that provape wont be around in 10 years is so totally moot its not even funny.

They were one of, if not THE first,
manufactures of VV mods. 4ish years ago. How many companies that put out ecigs 4 years ago are still around? Very few. Those that still have a robust and growing fan/customer base? I would venture to say there are none.

So yea, provape will still be around and at the cutting edge of vaping. The only way provari will become obsolete is if other manufacturers produce units that surpass the quality of PWM that the provari does. Has anyone come even CLOSE? Honestly, outside of a DNA20/30 chip, the answer is a sweeping no. And that's still not as accurate. So until then, provape is good.

They havent needed to "update" their unit because they nailed it right off the bat. And now everyone is trying to play catch up and so far have failed. And here everyone is saying its a dinosaur and its dated...dude the other vapes just arent as good. So what if it offers VW and a cell charger, it still cant pulse faster than 33.3hz so what difference does that even make? All I care about is vape quality. So far no one has shown me a better vape than a provari can do as a regulated mod.


When you can pulse at 200/second AND do VW, then ill consider buying it, but if youre only adding features to make up for poor build and vape quality, I am going to pass.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

Sorry for my spewing, it just irks me when people think more automatically equals better. I would rather have quality over quantity any day, and I know many people feel the same.

 

[Kinggrond]

Nope, not comparing apples and oranges.

First, I didn't say anything about the price being too high, actually I never mentioned the price at all.

Second, a Provari can and will break under the right circumstances, as any other device will. Ok, maybe later than others. As I said, the topcap on mine had a very annoying tendency to come off the tube, had to push it back every now and then, also the fire button had to be pressed a lot harder to fire after 1 year or so (and I pamper all my mods, plus a weekly cleaning routine).

Third, the wheel shape hasn't been changed (although I doubt they were perfectly round at the beginning ) but the functionality has been improved (ball bearings & stuff) over time

Fourth: nope, Provaris won't become highly sought after collector's items, simply because too much of them have already been produced. Even worse, no limited editions whatsoever.

Fifth and last: to each his/her own, I also like Provaris, but am also noticing their flaws, unlike many others, some of which never even owned one, which brings a weird note to the whole matter...

 

[thezoo]

Everyone needs at least 1 Provari in that collection


Everyone needs everyone needs everyone needs a provari
I rest my case

This is exactly why provari gets bashed all the time
Everyone needs at least 1 provari in that collection

You do a disservice to the brand your loyal to
Getting enraged if someone even says one unflattering thing bout it

No i dont need a provari but will be getting a dna 20 or 30 powered device
Thank you glassgal for making my decision an easy one

 

[glassgal]

Lol, yes, I'm from Romania, nothing to do with the metric system or the Celsius/Fahrenheit debate
About my mindset, there's not a lot of difference, I just want quality like anybody else (never owned a Chinese regulated mod, probably never will until they come up with consistent quality). To us Europeans, quality is usually described as Made in Germany for tools, Made in Italy for clothing, Made in France for perfumes and Swiss Made for timepieces. Or Made in Romania for vaping mods (see MarkBugs for instance).

I'm sorry but if Provari doesn't change anything, they will not be there anymore in 10 years to create something.
Not sure if I got it right, you say that as an American, you get stuck on things, but evolution is just natural, you can't be nostalgic about tools, never wanting them to change, otherwise we'd be still stuck to medieval technology or worse

Almost forgot: I'm totally into mech mods, if you go this way you'll never regret it, and you can still keep a Provari for those nostalgic moments...

Well, a few minutes ago, I managed to squeak in an order for a BilletBox (YAY!!!). Yesterday, I squeaked in an order for a MicroStick from Isreal (YAY!!!!). And last week, I squeaked in an order for a Pdib handmade original wood mod (YAY!!!!). I am VERY excited about all of them, and I do like new things too. I bring this up so you can understand that this isn't a matter of replacement... the Provari is a tool, it's more like socks than shoes.

Does falling in love with custom hand-made mechs make me want to sell my Provari? Nope. The Provari is my ohm checker for my atomizer, I will NEVER not need it anymore. And if I screw up a rebuild, I can still use it on my Provari til I ruin the coils, and not worry that I'll blow myself up. I'm talking about the old 2 year old Provari I bought used and is all scratched up. It's my favorite. I don't care that it's not the most beautiful toy in my box. It will always be my favorite. The brand new little Provari can check my 18350 batteries.

I'm not sure how I can be clearer on the difference between what you are talking about, and what the Provari is.

 

[glassgal]

Everyone needs at least 1 Provari in that collection


Everyone needs everyone needs everyone needs a provari
I rest my case

This is exactly why provari gets bashed all the time
Everyone needs at least 1 provari in that collection

You do a disservice to the brand your loyal to
Getting enraged if someone even says one unflattering thing bout it

No i dont need a provari but will be getting a dna 20 or 30 powered device
Thank you glassgal for making my decision an easy one

Cool, and when it breaks, you will buy a Provari, because people will STILL be talking about it then. LOL!

**AND because some people need to learn every lesson the hard way... after spending a whole lot of money first.

***AND you CAN love more than 1 mod at a time.

 

[Adam the Aussie]

The Provari used to be the best available PV full stop, it is still the best dedicated variable voltage PV. It isn't overpriced, you pay for quality and excellent customer service. It's still a great buy for the serious vapers.

I haven't picked mine up in at least a couple of months because it has limitations when it comes to low ohm atties, but so do a lot of devices. If i knew where this vaping journey i'm on was going to take me, would I have bought a provari? Probably not, but I'm happy to have it sitting in the drawer.

 

[Peter_C]

I like the screwdriver comparison. Outdated? Na, don't think so. I'm a new guy, only been vaping bout 6 months. Yes, I own a ProVari, no I do not care what you use as long as you like it.

I bought an eVic, and do not like it - wasted money.
I bought an eMode, yuck~! more wasted money.
I bought a ProVari, and am happy, and still glad I bought it.
I bought an itaste VV3, I like it, it died, had to buy another one (and throw the old one away after 9 weeks)
I bought an itaste MVP2, don't like it, fire button is too hard for my bad hands, more wasted money.

My only point in the above? If I didn't like the ProVari, I could sell it and recoup most of my money. If it breaks it's either a free repair, or a low cost repair - everything else - was a waste of my money.

But I stress, I am not here to change anyone's thinking! If you are happy with what you use, great~! If not, I do 'suggest' trying a ProVari - if you happen to not like it, you can at least sell it for most of your money back. Sadly, not much out there I can test-run without fear of wasted money (higher end mods excepted).

 

[EddardinWinter]

You are mistaken on many levels. The Provari is not a fad item that 'hype' has anything to do with it. Tell me, what would you do if your itaste 134 breaks? What about your Semovar? The only units that would or could repair their units are the super high end mods, ones that cost far more than Provari, and not even all of those.

I would postulate, again, that the Provari IS the best thing in vaping, comparable to inventing the wheel. It's not the latest and greatest. It's a battery. It works. It will always work, because if it didn't, you can get it fixed so it does.

Most Provari owners don't want inovation that can break. Considering that most other companies already do that, why should Provari follow the herd anyway? I hope they are still making them EXACTLY as it is now 10 years from now.

I can see you are from Romania, so you may not have the same mindset as I do... you see, it's the same mindset that makes Americans not switch to the metric system WE invented. We get stuck on certain things, and I use VV on units that offer both VW and VV too. The only VW only unit I bought, the itaste 134 arrived a broken POS. That's not a good recommendation for me to try VW, so I won't.

I'm moving into custom mech mods at this point. VW will not be among my list of wants, and I frankly don't want to know what I'm missing, just like I don't care what the temperature outside is in Celsius.

Only exception I take is that the Semovar does back it's product. Have they proven the equal of Provape service? Not yet, but they are off to a good start. The Semovar appears to be crafted from the same philosophy, and to be a first rate mod.



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[glassgal]

Only exception I take is that the Semovar does back it's product. Have they proven the equal of Provape service? Not yet, but they are off to a good start. The Semovar appears to be crafted from the same philosophy, and to be a first rate mod.
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Hi Eddard,

Isn't the Semovar a European company? So an American wanting service has to ship to Europe for the low price of $35 for Registered mail? (just looked at USPS, Priority Mail is $79 one way, or $158 round trip if repair is free).

For $70 round trip and free repair, but a minimum 6 week round trip time if they spent 5 minutes repairing it (3 weeks to arrive is my experience with Registered mail) you would get 1/2 a Provari... wouldn't a DNA Hana/Darwin/any other US made DNA chip mod be cheaper?

 

[crxess]

Hi Eddard,

Isn't the Semovar a European company? So an American wanting service has to ship to Europe for the low price of $35 for Registered mail? (just looked at USPS, Priority Mail is $79 one way, or $158 round trip if repair is free).

For $70 round trip and free repair, but a minimum 6 week round trip time if they spent 5 minutes repairing it (3 weeks to arrive is my experience with Registered mail) you would get 1/2 a Provari... wouldn't a DNA Hana/Darwin/any other US made DNA chip mod be cheaper?

Some would work in reverse for a European purchasing a Provari.............And lord knows, these on going debates are not internationally exclusive.

 

[EddardinWinter]

Hi Eddard,

Isn't the Semovar a European company? So an American wanting service has to ship to Europe for the low price of $35 for Registered mail? (just looked at USPS, Priority Mail is $79 one way, or $158 round trip if repair is free).

For $70 round trip and free repair, but a minimum 6 week round trip time if they spent 5 minutes repairing it (3 weeks to arrive is my experience with Registered mail) you would get 1/2 a Provari... wouldn't a DNA Hana/Darwin/any other US made DNA chip mod be cheaper?

It is a European company. Just as European folks face high shipping costs for servicing their ProVari, Americans face the same issues servicing a Semovar, until an American service center is set up (not sure if it exists or not yet).

So I don't really blame Semovar (or ProVari) for where they originate. They do service the device once they get it.



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[Paul.K]

It is a European company. Just as European folks face high shipping costs for servicing their ProVari, Americans face the same issues servicing a Semovar, until an American service center is set up (not sure if it exists or not yet).

So I don't really blame Semovar (or ProVari) for where they originate. They do service the device once they get it.



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Vaperev is an authorized service center for Svoemesto here in the US.

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[OhmTheWatt]

I don't really care what you buy. You don't need to justify your purchase to me.

The Provari doesn't interest me one bit.

An off the shelf production device for the price of a custom dna20/30 device.

Machining? It's a threaded tube and a top cap. Barely any machining time. They could have one machinist and a couple minimum wage shop hands do the entire production of metal parts. Even if they outsourced it to a us factory it's not going to run more than 20 bucks start to finish.

Then the electronics. Maybe 10 bucks a chip to produce in volume.

30 bucks cost for parts by my math.

But like I said, you don't have to justify it. Just say I bought it because I like it.

It's a good low output vv device. If that's your thing and you like the look of it that's all that matters.

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[EddardinWinter]

I don't really care what you buy. You don't need to justify your purchase to me.

The Provari doesn't interest me one bit.

An off the shelf production device for the price of a custom dna20/30 device.

Machining? It's a threaded tube and a top cap. Barely any machining time. They could have one machinist and a couple minimum wage shop hands do the entire production of metal parts. Even if they outsourced it to a us factory it's not going to run more than 20 bucks start to finish.

Then the electronics. Maybe 10 bucks a chip to produce in volume.

30 bucks cost for parts by my math.

But like I said, you don't have to justify it. Just say I bought it because I like it.

It's a good low output vv device. If that's your thing and you like the look of it that's all that matters.

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The top cap, threading, atty 510 port, and bottom cap are all made from US steel. You cannot have adequate QC with minimum wage shop hands. 20 dollars for the steel parts and press fitting of the body is an absurdly low number.

The chip being assembled for $10? You got some basis for this claim, or is it a hip-shot wild guess?

Those numbers might work for some Chinese mods, but not for either the Semovar or the ProVari.



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[Baditude]

I don't really care what you buy. You don't need to justify your purchase to me...The Provari doesn't interest me one bit...An off the shelf production device for the price of a custom dna20/30 device.

Machining? It's a threaded tube and a top cap. Barely any machining time. They could have one machinist and a couple minimum wage shop hands do the entire production of metal parts. Even if they outsourced it to a us factory it's not going to run more than 20 bucks start to finish.

Then the electronics. Maybe 10 bucks a chip to produce in volume.

30 bucks cost for parts by my math.

That's just ridiculous and deserves no further comment.

 

[OhmTheWatt]

The top cap, threading, atty 510 port, and bottom cap are all made from US steel. You cannot have adequate QC with minimum wage shop hands. 20 dollars for the steel parts and press fitting of the body is an absurdly low number.

The chip being assembled for $10? You got some basis for this claim, or is it a hip-shot wild guess?

Those numbers might work for some Chinese mods, but not for either the Semovar or the ProVari.



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Not a hipshot. That's numbers based on life experience.

I don't even believe people think machining when they see threads that are decent. I'm a pipefitter by trade. If your taps are in good shape and you don't rush it there's no way to mess up threads. Order some thinwall US seamless nipples to length female threaded. Buying them in bulk will bring that down to almost nothing.

The top cap is the only thing you need machined. I would still get it stamped then touched up and finished on the lathe.

I actually probably put more time on a non cnc lathe making a set of motorcycle grips than the entire process to make the metal on a Provari. And that is custom.

As far as the board goes. The components aren't very expensive. Put in some calls getting pricing on some boards. They do enough volume that if it's costing Provari more than 15 to make the same chip they've been using for 4 years their buyer needs to find a new line of work. I don't see any expensive components in the chip really.

I wonder how much machining time you are allotting per Provari and how many journeyman machinists do you think they employ?

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[glassgal]

Well, apparently, soon to be very cheap DNA20 'off the shelf' devices too!
http://.........blogspot.com/2013/09/game-over-dna20-gets-cloned.html

Heh. And still, not one makes a unit as durable as a Provari.

 

[DPLongo22]

I've been a member here for.... however fricking long. And in that time I don't recall ever even opening a thread where the topic was for something I had no intention of buying, or did not already own.

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[glassgal]

An off the shelf production device for the price of a custom dna20/30 device.
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The Provari costs $179. Which 'custom' DNA device costs that? Which DNA device can be thrown out a window and run over by a car then vaped? I'd like one of those!

The Provari forum has quite a few pix of crazy things that have happened to Provari and they still vape fine. You know, pix of the top and drip tip completely destroyed. I want a pix of this DNA20 you are talking about, with the destroyed attached atomizer and still vapable from happy customers.

And for $179 or less. Don't even need it to be 'custom' as you claim, I am fine with a 'production model' DNA20 for $179 that has the durability of Provari. I'll post the receipt in a few minutes if you can show me that unit, because I'll buy it right this minute.

LINK IT please, I want one!

 

[OhmTheWatt]

The Provari costs $179. Which 'custom' DNA device costs that? Which DNA device can be thrown out a window and run over by a car then vaped? I'd like one of those!

The Provari forum has quite a few pix of crazy things that have happened to Provari and they still vape fine. You know, pix of the top and drip tip completely destroyed. I want a pix of this DNA20 you are talking about, with the destroyed attached atomizer and still vapable from happy customers.

And for $179 or less. Don't even need it to be 'custom' as you claim, I am fine with a 'production model' DNA20 for $179 that has the durability of Provari. I'll post the receipt in a few minutes if you can show me that unit, because I'll buy it right this minute.

LINK IT please, I want one!

DNA20 devices really range from 160-300.

I'm confused as to what makes you think a Provari is something special.

My fiance had a kanger mini protank 2 break in half on her vamo. I don't understand why a destroyed atty has anything to do with the durability of a device. The atomizer should be the weak link in the chain.

I should put a kick in a chi you clone and run it over a few times then vape it just to shut the Provari owners up. Heck it's actually faster and more intuitive to adjust a kick as well.

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