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You may be right about that as I don't have a clue...... I have visited a couple of other areas on this forum but haven't really studied as many things on this site as I should be......... My excuse I suppose is that I am usually very busy and don't spend the time there. For some reason I always go to the new members area. It would sound logical though that long time vapers would prefer higher VG but I suppose even some of those have varied preferences. I don't really know but it's an interesting thought.
I'll just speculate based on my own experience and a little of what I read here. Many people start vaping looking for the throat hit they got from cigs. PG gives you throat hit, VG gives you a warm smooth feel. So newcomers are often relatively high PG and also high NIC, the nic partly because they need a lot but also because it gives additional throat hit. Personally I was never looking for throat hit, even in my early days of vaping but I think I was unusual with that, just from what I anecdotally read.

As people get more experienced with vaping they tend to evolve into a smoother hit, especially as they upgrade to more powerful gear. A strong throat hit at 50W is a lot different than a throat hit on a CE4. So I think there is a *tendency* to evolve into a smoother vape. These are generalities of course. Just sort of an anecdotal statistical thing.

If you are interested in DIY you will find it well worth it to look at the DIY section. The pinned topics are a good place to start although you may already know the basic safety issues. It will save you a lot of trial and error. A really good juice, like the better premium commercial juices, blend a primary flavor (a fruit or whatnot), creams, and sweeteners. Most flavor concentrates are not designed to be used alone. They are intended to be components of a more complex mix. For instance, fruit flavors usually do not include sweeteners, it is intended that you sweeten to taste. You can add things to a mix but never take away, so that philosophy makes sense. This is particularly true of TFA (The Flavor Apprentice) flavorings, which are very popular here. There are exceptions and you can learn that in the DIY section. Anyway, by following published recipes you quickly learn how 4-9 different flavorings interact. It would be very difficult to reinvent that wheel by yourself.
 

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    As people get more experienced with vaping they tend to evolve into a smoother hit, especially as they upgrade to more powerful gear. A strong throat hit at 50W is a lot different than a throat hit on a CE4. So I think there is a *tendency* to evolve into a smoother vape. These are generalities of course. Just sort of an anecdotal statistical thing.

    I do not disagree, and anecdotal or not, it makes very logical sense too myself. Unlike you though, I very much craved that throat hit (still do at times) and this is one of the reasons why on occasion I will mix up a small 60% VG batch. For myself, 50%VG at the power I run is a bit much, even for me. Now when I used to use lower power vape pens with 1000mah batteries, I used to use only 40%VG which provided a good throat hit at that lower power.

    Yes, I will take your advice and one of these times when I am not blabbing with others in the new members area, I will go study that area a bit.
     

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    Aren't most long time vapers high VG? Seems that way, just thinking about the DIY threads and whatnot. Maybe most is too specific but I think high VG is very popular. Lots of discussion in DIY about maxing out VG, and etc.

    That's just a trendy thing. More VG = bigger vapor
    Vg seems to be a bit heave to me (my lungs) so I stick with 50/50

    High VG also seems to mute flavoring, causing a need for higher Flavor to total mix ratio. I've been progressively lowering my flavoring and tuning in to the lighter side of the vape.
    When I want a less conspicuous vape I drop to a 70/30 blend that still does the jodd just fine.
     

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    As for organization... I take it by spells. At the moment, my "vape area" is quite tidy:

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    But it got that way because I was really tired of this:
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    Bottles of this and that also go in spells. I DIY, so I gradually build an assortment of little bottles; most, didn't turn out too well; some, might be ok with a little work -- then of course larger bottles of some mixes that I vape on a daily basis. After awhile, the plethora of little bottles that have oxidized to some shade of brown begins to really annoy me, so i dump 'em and salvage the bottles -- notice that bowl of pink DW liquid in the top pic, which has quite a few little plastic bottles soaking in it.

    Organization is not really natural to me, but requires a great deal of effort. Most days, I just can't be bothered to put things back where they go, so it ends up, after a few weeks, looking like that bottom pic. But then I have a need to mix some more of my ADV and need some workspace, so I get busy and get it back to something like the top pic.

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    That's just a trendy thing. More VG = bigger vapor
    Vg seems to be a bit heave to me (my lungs) so I stick with 50/50

    High VG also seems to mute flavoring, causing a need for higher Flavor to total mix ratio. I've been progressively lowering my flavoring and tuning in to the lighter side of the vape.
    When I want a less conspicuous vape I drop to a 70/30 blend that still does the jodd just fine.
    There may be a lot of trendy guys vaping high VG, but personally I just like it, for the reasons I mentioned. Some people have trouble with high VG others high PG. And I did notice a high VG trend in the DIY section, where most folks are vaping or at least mixing for flavor, not cloud chucking. There may be multiple reasons for the high VG trend I see.
     

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    I have finally gotten control over my vaping. I used to have soo many things going at one time. I like to keep my tanks clean so I rarely keep juice in them for no more then a couple tankfuls. I have 5 kayfuns but only keep 2 going at one time for the house.

    I have a MVP 3 and a Coolfire 4 that stay in my purse at all times with a couple of Kayfun Bell Caps. That way I know if I have to leave the house in a hurry that I am covered. I do find myself making a lot of juice at one time but they stay in a pretty box in my cabinet. I only take a few out at a time. I use glass bottles so I transfer what I need in a 10 ml needle top bottle and keep it sitting in front of the bottle in my medicine cabinet.
     
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    I'm pretty OCD when it comes to my vaping gear.

    Here's my juice bar (pic is a few months old but pretty much the same now)
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    This is my DIY storage cabinet handmade by a friend from cedar planks
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    This is a pic of my overall vaping area
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    Currently I have 3 Nautilus Minis, 1 Nautilus and 16 CE5 clearos in my juice bar. I have around 20 or so bottles of store bought juice in the white storage cabinet along with 25 bottles of DIY concoctions. The PO boxes are mostly filled with empty glass bottles and the V2 box is filled with plastic bottles.
    ^^^ Poster child for OCV! lmbo :lol:

    Oh sorry..hehe :p
     
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    I'm pretty OCD when it comes to my vaping gear.

    Here's my juice bar (pic is a few months old but pretty much the same now)
    View attachment 473289
    This is my DIY storage cabinet handmade by a friend from cedar planks
    View attachment 473290
    This is a pic of my overall vaping area
    View attachment 473291

    Currently I have 3 Nautilus Minis, 1 Nautilus and 16 CE5 clearos in my juice bar. I have around 20 or so bottles of store bought juice in the white storage cabinet along with 25 bottles of DIY concoctions. The PO boxes are mostly filled with empty glass bottles and the V2 box is filled with plastic bottles.

    I think your avatar is awesome..I just love it..... I also like all your juices and other goodies.
     

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    When I bought my Provaris mid September 2014 I had I think 8 eGo batteries that I had used since I started vaping 3 months earlier. And I was in the habit of picking up a new battery or two any time I was in a Vape shop or if I saw something interesting online. And most of them were in some state of starting to have a problem.

    So I started thinking about how many more eGo batteries I would buy, or if I would upgrade to something else (and back then there were not the options we have now, I might do it differently now, knowing what I know and all). And I realized that the next step up would be "Chinese Junk" that would probably be disposable, but instead of paying $10-$15 for eGo batteries I was about to get into the $20-$50 range, and how many would break on me and not do what I wanted.

    So I decided to try the "buy once for life" strategy and bought the two Provaries. I wanted two because even a Provari can fail, be broken (although not easy) or be lost or stolen.

    The two Provaris were the last mods I bought for almost 6 months, until early June when I decided I wanted to try higher wattage mods (I was limited to 14W on my Provaris). And I was heavily into vaping, the following month I got into DIY. And later into RDAs, and RTAs.

    How many people here, who are doing more than a basic quit smoking eGo type setup, can say that they went 6 months on only two mods? Not many. Now, I spent about $400 on my Provaris, including tube extensions, 3 different size batteries, and a total of 9 batteries.

    But since I quit smoking July 31 2014 I have never gone a single minute without a working vape, for any reason at all. And my Provari uptime has been 100.0000000%. They have never failed to fire, except when a topper had a problem (open or short or something gunked up). And I have not had even one puff on a cig in almost a year now. And I never had more than 6 active toppers in order to maintain that 100% uptime.

    I'm not saying that it is not possible to have done it a little cheaper, but very few people here have gone even 6 months spending only $400 on mods. All I see here are pictures of tables full of mech mods, box mods, every sort of mod.

    If I had to do it over, having the selection available back last September, I would have done the same thing again, I think. In retrospect I am happy with my strategy, from a cost standpoint, and it was a well thought out strategy after vaping for about 3 months. Because otherwise I would almost certainly have spent just as much money buying every new mech mod or box mod that came on the market, just to try to keep my 100% uptime requirement.
    Oh hey I understand completely! I did that very thing buying Reo's mods. I got two that I use and back-up parts and as I said before,..if not for my OCV about the juices I would be alright. But I'm not and never will be..I love trying new juices. :p

    OCV yup,..that's me. :D
     

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    A bag of mostly one-off DIY juice...

    A box containing my ADVs in 250ml and 120ml bottles, and other miscellaneous juice in smaller glass bootles


    Right now everything is in zip lock bags and boxes because I am temporarily relocated and I want a Vape Hutch or a Vape Room, or better a Vape House :)

    If I showed you all my boxes and bags of vape stuff then it would be more difficult to maintain the Denial
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    You may be right about that as I don't have a clue...... I have visited a couple of other areas on this forum but haven't really studied as many things on this site as I should be......... My excuse I suppose is that I am usually very busy and don't spend the time there. For some reason I always go to the new members area. It would sound logical though that long time vapers would prefer higher VG but I suppose even some of those have varied preferences. I don't really know but it's an interesting thought.
    Gonna try to explain high VG,..I hope it covers everything because I must be quick..A juice sale is about start! ;) jk

    Some say that they are allergic to PG..I've never actually heard of anyone's body shutting down from vaping PG,..but I suppose it could be akin to a food allergy?!? Dunno.

    Most that drip with RDA's or even bottom feeders like me like higher VG because that produces less of a throat hit,..(harshness) somewhere arounf 70VG to 80VG is preferred because it's the PG that actually carries flavor better,,but the VG is where the vapor comes from. Cloud chasers go even all VG well,..so that they can chase bigger clouds..Never seen one catch a cloud though. Mute point anyway,..personal preference also comes into play with the all natural crowd. But shhhhh,..don't tell them it's impossible to produce 100% VG juice. hehe :p
     
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