It's these kind of people that are going to ruin it for all of us...

[SissySpike]

My response would depend on the reaction of others I suppose. If others paid it no attention then I'd probably say nothing.

If others in the store look oddly at it, said something or made a negative comment about then I'd probably approach the mod wielding, cloud creating person and have a discussion. My guess is that it would not over well however. Someone acting with that little amount of respect for others can care less what anyone thinks or says.

In the instance of my friends bar, I did try and ask people to not fog the joint up and it was always met with resistance. The whole it's my right argument..

Probably because I run sometime large scale construct jobs I have no problem with confronting some one. This dose not mean you can not do so with a little grace and tact. It also dose not mean the person you confront will pay you any mind. And or might react badly. But I have as yet to see someone billowing clouds in a store or restaurant.

Its a fine line between being helpful and pointing out a over sight of some. To being a busy body that's helpful to know one.

 

[skoony]

Under health laws you cannot make food products and sell it without being certified, etc and yet you make food products all the time in your home. You just do not sell it to others.

read the laws concerning commercial food.a producer is defined as a business not a person.
in many states you can not have charitable pot luck diners using food prepared at home.
many school district prohibit bake sales using home cooked goods. store bought and sealed
goods only. liability issues and such.
mike

 

[USMCotaku]

This thread was not about big tobacco, politicians or ANTZ. These have been and are still being used by the people who want to vape where they want, when they want and how they want with no respect or common courtesy for others. It's noting more than smoke and mirrors and deflecting away from the real topic of this thread.

There are plenty of other threads discussing big tobacco, politicians and ANTZ. These topics entered this thread as a means to discredit anyone who thinks blowing clouds in a Walmart, movie theater, restaurant or in a day care is inappropriate.

One of the key talking points was how Joe public vaper will affect regulations.... So showing what we feel the true source of these regulations to be is perfectly acceptable. I find out interesting that you didn't complain before, even joining in and replying......

 

[SissySpike]

In California, there is laws in the motor vehicle code that prohibits cars which spew smoke out the tail pipe, and the police can pull a driver over and cite them for it, although this is rarely enforced unless they want to use this as an excuse to pull the car over.

Lets hope the rest of the country dose not go the way of California

 

[AndriaD]

I don't know the regulation for cars in US but related with clear air, in some countries it is banned to have a car with lots of visible smoke out of the mufflers. If it is not regulated, that would make people cranky as well when they have to see or pass through black smoke from cars (but for multiple reasons between the black smoke, smelly, and toxic)...

Different is, majority need cars, but minority do vape.

Since I found vaping, I can vape anywhere in the house and some spot at office as well... For now, I am really grateful already compared with when I smoke

We have emissions laws too. My point is that there is no explicit "right to clean air" -- if there was, cars would be banned, because even the cleanest emissions are still petrochemical emissions -- their supposed "right to clean air" does not trump my right to breathe vapor in order to not breathe cigarette smoke -- there is no explicit right to either, yet there is no explicit law against either -- therefore both rights are equally valid.

Andria

 

[raqball]

One of the key talking points was how Joe public vaper will affect regulations.... So showing what we feel the true source of these regulations to be is perfectly acceptable. I find out interesting that you didn't complain before, even joining in and replying......

I generally avoid these and those types of conversations because they turn into exactly what this thread has. I roped myself into this one and if people would stop quoting me I'd leave it.

These and those discussions have been going on since I joined in Jan 2010 and I think this might be the 1st time I've ever participated in them. Never again though.. LOL

 

[skoony]

And combined with Sec 21..
You might want to start reading at page 12 to the end.

i have read the whole thing.remember the part where its says unless stated otherwise?
sec.15 states otherwise.
it does not say a person,persons or cooperative doing business as an e-liquid manufacturer.
it says a person or cooperative manufacturing e-liquid.

 

[Phassat]

We have emissions laws too. My point is that there is no explicit "right to clean air" -- if there was, cars would be banned, because even the cleanest emissions are still petrochemical emissions -- their supposed "right to clean air" does not trump my right to breathe vapor in order to not breathe cigarette smoke -- there is no explicit right to either, yet there is no explicit law against either -- therefore both rights are equally valid.

Andria

Yes, there is no explicit rules but it became norms being on the minority side... Also, I meant clear air, not clean air because I don't think the cloud that we make is harmful besides from the fact that it makes rooms a bit more foggy for a short time.

I do hope that there won't be any regulation not to vape in public places....

 

[SissySpike]

Looking at your "Senior Moderator" ribbon. Looking at your post. Scratching my head.

Gotta watch that one shes always waiting in the shadows ready to pounce I bet she had 50 monitors going at once watching every thread!

 

[Asbestos4004]

I generally avoid these and those types of conversations because they turn into exactly what this thread has. I roped myself into this one and if people would stop quoting me I'd leave it.

These and those discussions have been going on since I joined in Jan 2010 and I think this might be the 1st time I've ever participated in them. Never again though.. LOL

I honestly tried to stop myself. I really did.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I generally avoid these and those types of conversations because they turn into exactly what this thread has. I roped myself into this one and if people would stop quoting me I'd leave it.

These and those discussions have been going on since I joined in Jan 2010 and I think this might be the 1st time I've ever participated in them. Never again though.. LOL

yeah pretty much where I am at as well. going unwatched on this one.

BTW I just make DIY aromatic skin balm not eliquid. What you do with it is your business

 

[SissySpike]

I honestly tried to stop myself. I really did.

Dang you beat me to it but Ill do it anyway

I generally avoid these and those types of conversations because they turn into exactly what this thread has. I roped myself into this one and if people would stop quoting me I'd leave it.

 

[Thespis]

I don't think the problem with this thread is the topic. I think it's symptomatic of our society. Opposing sides can't seem to discuss anything these days without twisting words, reading into a comment what isn't there or demonizing each other. There are few meaningful discussions where people actually listen to what the other person is saying with respect.

 

[caramel]

Ok, let me make a last attempt at bringing sanity to this discussion.

Even when you are in "public", you still have your "personal" space around you. It can be defined in various ways, depending on circumstances:

- an arm's length (general rule, useful to decide if someone gets too close / is leaning / assaulting you etc)
- your cubicle / office
- your airplane seat
- your movie theather seat
- your table in a restaurant
etc.

Observing some basic visual rules (don't get naked, don't make lewd gestures, don't perform disgusting acts especially related to body excretions), your personal spaces is yours, and what goes inside it is your own business. Sounds, odors, activities that have no consequences beyond this space are no one else's business. And it is already established that it is at least rude to interfere with other people's personal space (like in lecturing them on the way they hold their fork, making remarks on their choice of food, and generally commenting/complaining in any way on what they're doing).

Back to the restaurant table, as long as a vaper does not cloud/smell beyond his table space, it should be no one's business what he's doing there.

 

[Bad Ninja]

These topics entered this thread as a means to discredit anyone who thinks blowing clouds in a Walmart, movie theater, restaurant or in a day care is inappropriate.

No, actually they were entered as facts clarifying the topic, and bringing some much needed truth to the discussion.

No one is condoning rude or discourteous vaping, but changing your vape habits won't matter, regarding upcoming legislation.
Heavy regulations are coming.
Cloud chasers aren't the problem.

The Anti vaping crowd loves it when we ignore the issues to focus on bashing each other over cloud size.


However I do see that this was originally a rant thread, and people didn't follow the rant.



If you don't like the worms,
Probably best to not open the can in the first place.

 

[SissySpike]

I don't think the problem with this thread is the topic. I think it's symptomatic of our society. Opposing sides can't seem to discuss anything these days without twisting words, reading into a comment what isn't there or demonizing each other. There are few meaningful discussions where people actually listen to what the other person is saying with respect.

you are crazy! How dare you call me names!!!! What a raciest coment!!!

 

[zoiDman]

Lets hope the rest of the country dose not go the way of California

I think when it comes to e-Cigarettes and e-Liquids, Indiana Law Makers make California Law Makers look Informed and Reasonable.

 

[caramel]

I think when it comes to e-Cigarettes and e-Liquids, Indiana Law Makers make California Law Makers look Informed and Reasonable.

I heard it was a plot to help California save face.

 

[AndriaD]

I generally avoid these and those types of conversations because they turn into exactly what this thread has. I roped myself into this one and if people would stop quoting me I'd leave it.

These and those discussions have been going on since I joined in Jan 2010 and I think this might be the 1st time I've ever participated in them. Never again though.. LOL

You've contributed some good stuff here, I think -- despite a tendency to suggest that anyone vaping in public must be "blowing huge clouds in people's faces" -- I also read the more recent post in which you expressed support for vaping anywhere, if done courteously and responsibly, and that is the exact position I support. There ARE venues where vaping is not appropriate -- church being the one that leaps to mind first. But most others, respectful vaping would not be amiss. I *personally* understand why vaping in restaurants and groceries is a bad idea, unless done with the utmost of care and responsibility -- the fact is that most will not exercise that care or responsibility, and that being true, then banning vaping from those locations isn't a TERRIBLE idea, just an unfortunate one.

Andria

 

[chopdoc]

Back to the restaurant table, as long as a vaper does not cloud/smell beyond his table space, it should be no one's business what he's doing there.

In a perfect world...yes. Problem is we dont live in a perfect world