No vaping isn't a sin, far from it.
If you truly have educated yourself, you will have seen that the last thing any of us wants is for non smokers to take up the habit - it's the opposite of what e-cigs are about.
I've never smoked before in my life. Advice?
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No vaping isn't a sin, far from it.
If you truly have educated yourself, you will have seen that the last thing any of us wants is for non smokers to take up the habit - it's the opposite of what e-cigs are about.
Although I would never try to persuade any non-smoker to start vaping, I can understand your desire to try it out, and I can understand the responders' advice to not start. They're concerned that you would be starting a new addiction that you might regret in the future. We (ex-smokers) don't want to see any non-smoker start the smoking or vaping habit.
Vaping "is" healthier than analogs. That's a known fact. It has to be true, because we are no longer inhaling 4,000 other toxins, tar, and smoke. It is not a lie. But, in my opinion, it's not completely safe, and I don't remember reading any post here that claims that it is completely safe. It's still an addiction. It's an expensive addiction, whether you're vaping 0mg or 36mg nicotine. It's a lot of busy work, depending on the e-cig parts one prefers and how often one vapes.
But, the bottom line is, you should do whatever you want to do. If you decide to vape the e-pipe you ordered, go for it. If you have some shortness of breath and cough now and then, just know that it's normal. You will be inhaling stuff into your lungs. Your lungs will have to adjust to the new foreign stuff you're putting into them.
I switched from smoking cigs to vaping e-cigs. I still get shortness of breath, because I vape way too often. I wish I could just quit the whole filthy habit of puffing and dragging on a metal stick. I keep thinking it will be easier to quit vaping than it is to quit smoking.
When you see posts here filled with excitement from so many people, it is because we are so very excited that there is finally a product available that has helped us to quit smoking -- without going through the withdrawal symptoms and misery involved with quitting smoking. I quit smoking a month and a day ago. It still hasn't hit me that I've quit smoking. Probably because I know that if all of my batteries failed at the same time, or if I happened to run out of liquid, I would grab one of the eight packs of Ultra Light Merits that I still have in a drawer. I would smoke a cigarette, even though it now tastes like crap, because I know I'm still addicted to nicotine. At this moment, it seems like I'll never be able to quit.
Vaping "is" healthier than analogs. That's a known fact. It has to be true, because we are no longer inhaling 4,000 other toxins, tar, and smoke. It is not a lie. But, in my opinion, it's not completely safe, and I don't remember reading any post here that claims that it is completely safe. It's still an addiction. It's an expensive addiction, whether you're vaping 0mg or 36mg nicotine. It's a lot of busy work, depending on the e-cig parts one prefers and how often one vapes.
But, the bottom line is, you should do whatever you want to do. If you decide to vape the e-pipe you ordered, go for it. If you have some shortness of breath and cough now and then, just know that it's normal. You will be inhaling stuff into your lungs. Your lungs will have to adjust to the new foreign stuff you're putting into them.
I switched from smoking cigs to vaping e-cigs. I still get shortness of breath, because I vape way too often. I wish I could just quit the whole filthy habit of puffing and dragging on a metal stick. I keep thinking it will be easier to quit vaping than it is to quit smoking.
When you see posts here filled with excitement from so many people, it is because we are so very excited that there is finally a product available that has helped us to quit smoking -- without going through the withdrawal symptoms and misery involved with quitting smoking. I quit smoking a month and a day ago. It still hasn't hit me that I've quit smoking. Probably because I know that if all of my batteries failed at the same time, or if I happened to run out of liquid, I would grab one of the eight packs of Ultra Light Merits that I still have in a drawer. I would smoke a cigarette, even though it now tastes like crap, because I know I'm still addicted to nicotine. At this moment, it seems like I'll never be able to quit.
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If you are not going to use nic, the become a DIY -- cheaper.
You just need VG (for good vapor), PG (for good flavor), and flavorings (LorAnns, Perfume Apprentice, Capella, Faerie's Finest, Flavor Art (Italy), Bickfords, Tasty Pugg, Decadent Vapours, Seedmans).
Hideto,
Just don't inhale it when you get it. A smoker can take a big puff that stays in their mouths until they decide to send it down their throats. I know that sounds odd but try to master that method. Use 100 VG liquids and you'll get bigger plumes of smoke and the risk of allergic reaction is much lower with VG than PG. It's less irritating to the throat too and less drying.
Please understand why your post ruffled some feathers. To you, it's a cool toy. To us, it's a life long addiction we are trying to conquer. Something that has brought us shame and self-loathing and emphysema and even cancer . That's why we don't want you to like this too much. We want to save you from yourself.
But do it safely if you do do it. Don't suck it into your lungs- just in case that 0% juice is mislabeled. If I was you, I would order straight 100% VG and order my own flavorings. Order some lil 6 or 10 ml bottles and mix your own vaping juice.That way there's zero chance of any nicotine getting in you. I order my pure 100% VG and flavorings from Vapor Renu.com. Neither have nicotine in them.
Good luck to you Sir,
Lori
Just don't inhale it when you get it. A smoker can take a big puff that stays in their mouths until they decide to send it down their throats. I know that sounds odd but try to master that method. Use 100 VG liquids and you'll get bigger plumes of smoke and the risk of allergic reaction is much lower with VG than PG. It's less irritating to the throat too and less drying.
Please understand why your post ruffled some feathers. To you, it's a cool toy. To us, it's a life long addiction we are trying to conquer. Something that has brought us shame and self-loathing and emphysema and even cancer . That's why we don't want you to like this too much. We want to save you from yourself.
But do it safely if you do do it. Don't suck it into your lungs- just in case that 0% juice is mislabeled. If I was you, I would order straight 100% VG and order my own flavorings. Order some lil 6 or 10 ml bottles and mix your own vaping juice.That way there's zero chance of any nicotine getting in you. I order my pure 100% VG and flavorings from Vapor Renu.com. Neither have nicotine in them.
Good luck to you Sir,
Lori
Had to reply to this one. I don't post much because as a non-smoker/vaper, what was I going to say? I thought it was good netiquette not to post random nonsense just to gain higher post count?
And if there's nothing good in vaping beyond being better than the analog alternative, why do people go to so much trouble to make attractive and interesting mods to e-cig bodies or buy interesting-looking ones, instead of just sticking with the versions that pretty much look just like a regular analog? In other words, why make an effort to enjoy this more than you need (Come on, who really needs a pink, rhinestoned e-cig casing/body? Really?) if you just want to escape it anyway?
I give up. I have tried to make it clear I'm a consenting adult who made this decision with lots of thought and just want the advice I asked for and not to be proselytized against. Out of all the replies, only one of them actually answered my question, and you'll likely damn him for not trying to exorcise my decision out of me as you folks have tried to do. To the one guy who gave me actual advice, thank you. To the rest of you, this isn't high school anymore and you're not my parents. Don't get me wrong. You're well-meaning and it's kind of you to care about a stranger. Why not go the extra mile in caring and instead allow me to be an adult and make my own informed decisions? VG is vegetable glycerin and can be used in place of PG and is a natural substance that is much safer, is it not? See, I've done my homework.
You may think you received proselytizations and an unfriendly welcome, but believe me, the advice given by everyone is the most friendliest and most honest advice you could ever receive. Would you rather that we all lied to you, just to make you feel better about your decision to inhale unknown and possibly deadly substances into your lungs? Do you honestly think we could all live with ourselves knowing that we lied to you and gave you false advice just so you wouldn't feel bad about your decision to buy an e-pipe?
In all seriousness, best of luck with whatever you decide to do. If you decide not to start vaping, I'm sure you could get rid of the items you bought in one of the other forums. Those who are familiar with the swap, for sale, or pay-it-forward forums might be able to help you with that. I haven't ventured away from the new members forum too often, so I'm not very familiar with them yet.
I myself do not smoke either, but I have been doing the DYI and making my own non-nic flavors. I make NIC for my aunt.
I also do not swallow the vape, but exhale, and do get flavors in the back of the throat.
Link to DYI - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/74109-guide-diy-flavoring.html
I do know that House of Vapor has a PIPE flavor with ZERO NIC.
I also do not swallow the vape, but exhale, and do get flavors in the back of the throat.
Link to DYI - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/74109-guide-diy-flavoring.html
I do know that House of Vapor has a PIPE flavor with ZERO NIC.
Hideto,
We go to so much trouble, or at least I do, to keep ourselves interested enough in it to stay off cigs. I still miss cigs. So I try new stuff to keep myself interested.
All the information you need is already here. So I am responding directly to you, because yes, I do care. I don't want you to hurt your health. That's all.
I'm not trying to be your parent. I'm trying to be real with you, and tell you what you're getting yourself into. If you want to risk addiction and decreased health anyway, fine.
And no, VG is not necessarily safer. It's still a lung irritant. It does have a lower risk of allergic reaction, though.
Again though, I re-iderate - using an e-cig does not produce a smell like tobacco. It is almost scent-less. And most tobacco liquids taste nothing like tobacco.
E-cigs are not as warm or thick as real smoking. You will not find the sensation you're looking for.
We go to so much trouble, or at least I do, to keep ourselves interested enough in it to stay off cigs. I still miss cigs. So I try new stuff to keep myself interested.
All the information you need is already here. So I am responding directly to you, because yes, I do care. I don't want you to hurt your health. That's all.
I'm not trying to be your parent. I'm trying to be real with you, and tell you what you're getting yourself into. If you want to risk addiction and decreased health anyway, fine.
And no, VG is not necessarily safer. It's still a lung irritant. It does have a lower risk of allergic reaction, though.
Again though, I re-iderate - using an e-cig does not produce a smell like tobacco. It is almost scent-less. And most tobacco liquids taste nothing like tobacco.
E-cigs are not as warm or thick as real smoking. You will not find the sensation you're looking for.
Exactly the kind of ammo the government DOES NOT NEED!
There will be people claiming that the cool factor and enticing flavors are causing more kids to get hooked.
That will make it tougher to keep it legal and cheap for those smokers who need it to save their lives.
Please don't start. Forget you ever saw it.
There will be people claiming that the cool factor and enticing flavors are causing more kids to get hooked.
That will make it tougher to keep it legal and cheap for those smokers who need it to save their lives.
Please don't start. Forget you ever saw it.
As far as we know at this time, VG seems to be safer than PG, as far as the chemical make up goes. But as MistressNomad said, it's still an irritant to the lungs.
Seriously, I doubt any of us were trying to make you feel horrible about your choice. It's just that as people who picked up a deadly habit, we know what such habits can do to someone and just how hard it is to quit such habits. The people here on the ECF are concerned about people who want to start vaping without ever having smoked.
We do rejoice in the fact that we've found something that seems to work better than any other product on the market for helping people to stop smoking. It's a good feeling to be able to put down the cigarettes that are so deadly and dangerous. It is a good thing to celebrate. When people are trying to break a bad habit, it's best to have a support group such as the ECF.
I will agree that some people have turned vaping into a hobby and they do get all the "fancy" items they can get. That goes for any "hobby" someone gets into. For a lot of us, this isn't a hobby though, it's a lifestyle change so we can do our best to be as healthy as we can be after all the damage we've done to our bodies. However, just like everything in life, one size does not actually fit all with vaping. What works for some won't do for others. The majority of the people who started off with an e-cig that looks just like a real cigarette can tell you they are as useful to quitting smoking as a bottle of water is because they are an inferior product and can be a huge hassle to deal with.
Since you have decided to start vaping, for your own personal reasons, please take the advice of not even ordering 0mg juice and making your own with VG and flavorings. As it was stated, you don't want to accidentally get a juice that has some nicotine in it because you could very well become addicted. I think that's one of the reasons people are warning you to not start. It truly is out of concern for your well being that people put up such strong warnings against picking up the habit of vaping to someone who has never smoked before.
Seriously, I doubt any of us were trying to make you feel horrible about your choice. It's just that as people who picked up a deadly habit, we know what such habits can do to someone and just how hard it is to quit such habits. The people here on the ECF are concerned about people who want to start vaping without ever having smoked.
We do rejoice in the fact that we've found something that seems to work better than any other product on the market for helping people to stop smoking. It's a good feeling to be able to put down the cigarettes that are so deadly and dangerous. It is a good thing to celebrate. When people are trying to break a bad habit, it's best to have a support group such as the ECF.
I will agree that some people have turned vaping into a hobby and they do get all the "fancy" items they can get. That goes for any "hobby" someone gets into. For a lot of us, this isn't a hobby though, it's a lifestyle change so we can do our best to be as healthy as we can be after all the damage we've done to our bodies. However, just like everything in life, one size does not actually fit all with vaping. What works for some won't do for others. The majority of the people who started off with an e-cig that looks just like a real cigarette can tell you they are as useful to quitting smoking as a bottle of water is because they are an inferior product and can be a huge hassle to deal with.
Since you have decided to start vaping, for your own personal reasons, please take the advice of not even ordering 0mg juice and making your own with VG and flavorings. As it was stated, you don't want to accidentally get a juice that has some nicotine in it because you could very well become addicted. I think that's one of the reasons people are warning you to not start. It truly is out of concern for your well being that people put up such strong warnings against picking up the habit of vaping to someone who has never smoked before.
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OK, morally I'm just 100% against anyone either starting smoking or non smokers starting vaping. The battles I've had with real cigs have ruined my life!
So selfishly, I never want to see anyone pandering to the scaremongering that non smokers will be drawn into starting vaping due to the "flavours"! There is just no need to to do so.
So selfishly, I never want to see anyone pandering to the scaremongering that non smokers will be drawn into starting vaping due to the "flavours"! There is just no need to to do so.
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I will echo what the previous posters have stated. Don't start, it WILL become a habit. I quit cigarettes cold turkey, it was one of the worst experiences of my life, I thought I will never pick up another cigarette again, I never want to go through this again. It was awful. That is why ecigs are embraced, because of the ease of quitting analogs. I went back to smoking because of the habit, the draw on the cigarette, the oral fixation.
At ECF we do celebrate when somebody begins vaping after smoking. It is a victory. It is incredibly hard to quit. We do embrace them into the community in a very positive manner, to us it is a life saved or at least a lot less risk and freedom from a terrible addiction.
I'm sorry that your experience has not been a positive one, none of us want to see someone who was smart enough to stay off the cancer sticks jeopardize their health by becoming a vaper. We are trying to still be supportive of healthy choices, which in your case is avoiding the evil entirely rather than choosing the lesser.
We are not trying to treat you like a child, but from our point of view it is not positive that you are consciously putting your health at risk.
That being said, you have thought this over and want to do it. I do NOT agree with your decision, however, you are an adult. I will therefore advise you to just go to walmart get the Humco VG and some Lorann's flavoring. Download the DIY spreadsheet (if someone could be kind enough to post the link) that has the relative safety of Lorann's flavorings so that you know the flavorings not to buy.
If you are doing this as a reenactment, I would not inhale at all, only puff to get the vapor going to simulate the look of puffing on a pipe. This is your choice, while we don't agree with it, it is my viewpoint that if you are going to do it, I will try my best to give you the information that will cause the least harm.
At ECF we do celebrate when somebody begins vaping after smoking. It is a victory. It is incredibly hard to quit. We do embrace them into the community in a very positive manner, to us it is a life saved or at least a lot less risk and freedom from a terrible addiction.
I'm sorry that your experience has not been a positive one, none of us want to see someone who was smart enough to stay off the cancer sticks jeopardize their health by becoming a vaper. We are trying to still be supportive of healthy choices, which in your case is avoiding the evil entirely rather than choosing the lesser.
We are not trying to treat you like a child, but from our point of view it is not positive that you are consciously putting your health at risk.
That being said, you have thought this over and want to do it. I do NOT agree with your decision, however, you are an adult. I will therefore advise you to just go to walmart get the Humco VG and some Lorann's flavoring. Download the DIY spreadsheet (if someone could be kind enough to post the link) that has the relative safety of Lorann's flavorings so that you know the flavorings not to buy.
If you are doing this as a reenactment, I would not inhale at all, only puff to get the vapor going to simulate the look of puffing on a pipe. This is your choice, while we don't agree with it, it is my viewpoint that if you are going to do it, I will try my best to give you the information that will cause the least harm.
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Congrats on instantly becoming "that guy that just started smoking when he got to the forum".
It's not very becoming.
It's not very becoming.
You're a damned fool if you start doing this for the hell of it. Someone needed to say it. Send that pipe back if you're smart.
By the way, I do congratulate you and am thankful for your sake that you knew really smoking a tobacco pipe wasn't the best thing to do.
I think the thing I need to say most of all which has been sorely missing from my posts due to my emotions getting the better of me is, thank you from the bottom of my heart for caring about my life. Every one of you do it out of sincere care and fear for another human being, hoping that the unhappiness you may/have experienced does not get passed on to one who has so far been lucky/smart enough to avoid it. Thank you in all serious sincerity.
You have sparked a real topic I want to discuss, so will start it fresh in its own topic to be considered.
It looks like the gist of what I need is to learn the art of pipe smoking from actual pipe smokers but modify it such that I'm not inhaling deeply as they might do. I already know I'll likely spend the first week playing with the DSE601 giddily as I learn how to use it, then due to life getting the better of all of us, set it aside and only pull it out for my re-enactment events, or to make people boggle to see me, a staunch non-smoker, smoking. I've never gone over my limits at the slot machines at a casino, never drank more Red Bull than my body could handle (and stopped drinking the stuff entirely when I felt bad things going on, despite absolutely loving the flavour), never tried a real pipe despite my obvious enamour of it, have never been puking-drunk (or near it, only tipsy) despite enjoying a nice glass of ice wine or a bloody caesar now and then, and so on. I do not by nature have a cripplingly addictive nature to me. I'm sure I could find the right monkey to dig its claws in my back if I tried, and I'm not talking about hard/soft drugs, but I've been sensible in my life up to now. I think I'll manage on in sensibility in the future.
So once again, thank you, genuinely, for being willing to rile yourselves up for the purpose of saving someone you don't even know. It's nice to find people in this world who are still willing to go to all the bother to care about a complete stranger. I hope I can give something back to each of you in my own time/way to show my appreciation for your care.
You have sparked a real topic I want to discuss, so will start it fresh in its own topic to be considered.
It looks like the gist of what I need is to learn the art of pipe smoking from actual pipe smokers but modify it such that I'm not inhaling deeply as they might do. I already know I'll likely spend the first week playing with the DSE601 giddily as I learn how to use it, then due to life getting the better of all of us, set it aside and only pull it out for my re-enactment events, or to make people boggle to see me, a staunch non-smoker, smoking.
I've never gone over my limits at the slot machines at a casino, never drank more Red Bull than my body could handle (and stopped drinking the stuff entirely when I felt bad things going on, despite absolutely loving the flavour), never tried a real pipe despite my obvious enamour of it, have never been puking-drunk (or near it, only tipsy) despite enjoying a nice glass of ice wine or a bloody caesar now and then, and so on. I do not by nature have a cripplingly addictive nature to me. I'm sure I could find the right monkey to dig its claws in my back if I tried, and I'm not talking about hard/soft drugs, but I've been sensible in my life up to now. I think I'll manage on in sensibility in the future.So once again, thank you, genuinely, for being willing to rile yourselves up for the purpose of saving someone you don't even know. It's nice to find people in this world who are still willing to go to all the bother to care about a complete stranger. I hope I can give something back to each of you in my own time/way to show my appreciation for your care.
the big poblem i have is that most of these flavors hit their peak as they hit the back of the tounge. To hit that flavor, youll need to inhale. You will eventually want to inhale. And thats where things go bad.
Honestly, i know you enjoy the scen of pipes and what not. It brings back positive memories, and makes you feel nice. I understand exactly where you are coming from.
However, i would encourage you to look elsewhere for that scent than something like these products.
Honestly, i know you enjoy the scen of pipes and what not. It brings back positive memories, and makes you feel nice. I understand exactly where you are coming from.
However, i would encourage you to look elsewhere for that scent than something like these products.
For me, it's not about the health risks at all because I really believe that they are safe.
For me it's about someone thinking it's cool/fun/fashionable or romantic to mimic an action that kills about 500,000 people per year just in the United States, and 5.4 million people per year worldwide.
For the record, I also don't endorse driving in L.A. while waving a very realistic pretend gun at people or shooting up sterile saline in dark alleyways or gas station bathrooms.
To use this miracle invention that we have found to romanticize what we have struggled most of our lives to conquer is what's bothering me.
For me it's about someone thinking it's cool/fun/fashionable or romantic to mimic an action that kills about 500,000 people per year just in the United States, and 5.4 million people per year worldwide.
For the record, I also don't endorse driving in L.A. while waving a very realistic pretend gun at people or shooting up sterile saline in dark alleyways or gas station bathrooms.
To use this miracle invention that we have found to romanticize what we have struggled most of our lives to conquer is what's bothering me.
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