Just Prepared for the Vaping Apocalypse!

[niczgreat]

Hey Gary you got my Idea in 3 minutes before me!

If/When the ruling comes down and it's negative even though it may not be immediate, Everyone will panic and hoard then you will see a tremendous shortage and price increases.
Better to be proactive and buy now than reactive and risk being without later.

It's not like I won't eventually use it. I already have enough nicotine to last me for months. This 500ml is my emergency stash to last for at least a year.

I'll probably buy another 500ml bottle next paycheck so I have enough for another year.

The weak link in it all is the Nicotine Base. It's the easiest to tax and to regulate.

 

[GaryInTexas]

Tom I think we're in complete agreement. I've got a couple extra Vamos in the drawer along with wick, wire and toppers stashed along with my nic supply in the freezer. I realize they may do nothing about hardware but I just don't want to be in a position to be picking bones. I'm going to use everything I have anyway, so to me it's just prebuying. I will vaping for free for the next couple of years.

 

[John_]

No, I just want it.

Haha, I believe this phrase is the reason many mods have been purchased.

 

[Train2]

I'm not certain how an FDA ruling would go into effect, but what I expect eventually is a penalizing tax on nic, and perhaps licensing and additional costs on juice vendors. THAT kind of thing probably would take a while to implement, so my "plan" is very much along the lines of what the OP did - same vendor bookmarked and everything!

 

[Moogle]

The FDA is partially shut down for now. Vapeageddon is kinda like the Rapture except that this Rapture is real. Gotta get me at least a liter soon. I want more mods but it'll have to wait. Also a ruling will take some time to take effect. It''l freak out the market but NIC will still be available for probably 6-12 months after a ruling. There is some leeway.

 

[souleaterzer0]

I just ordered a liter of 100 mg from vapingzone.... that should last for a little while. Don't know why I ordered over 200 dollars worth of flavors from ecigexpress.... oh well 53 new flavors are coming my way! I think my flavor total is going to be at 155 now. I love going to school for free and then they give you vaping supply money!

Lesson today: Go to college if you don't make a lot of money and get pell grants. Once you get your pell grant money (after school is paid off) buy some vaping supplies!!

 

[DigitalDoom]

I love doomsayers...you folks help keep the cash flowing for the world.

The FDA had a long term plan when they allowed us all to get a taste of vaping...and it had nothing to do with yanking them away from us.

The worst thing this forum has done is to allow them to see exactly and precisely which products to control...ahem...regulate. People here have played right into the hands of FDA by telling them exactly which products to tax...otherwise they probably would have only bothered with filled carts.

Ah well...hopefully one day forum goers will learn discretion....and the art of misinformation. But I doubt it.

 

[Chas_L]

You should also ask another question too. If the FDA makes a tough ruling on the nic supply, how quick will the vaping community panic and actually create a real shortage? I suspect that if they rule heavy taxation on nic base there's going to be a mad rush by a lot of people.

There is already a shortage as some smart folks stock up. A hobby of mine if fireamrs and shooting. First time Oboma was elected some ammo and componets for relaoding was scarce for over a year. This time when reelected then a school shooting and more regulations and bans pushed for and the supply chain is broken. Twenty-two rimfire ammo went from around $6 per 500 to over $50 and extremey hard toind at that price. Primers for small or large rifle or pistol ammo reloading went up 6 to 10 fold and extremly hard to obatin . Powder , realing equipment , used (once fired brass) etc. same,same.


Once the feds. start taxing vaping the states will join in. In my area a pack of cncer sticks are around $5 for Marlboro and such but in NY I hear they are $12 and the major is so proud of himself that sidewalk smoking is way down.

 

[Bob Chill]

Maybe I'm in the minority but imo the fda is more likely to ban all bottled nic above a certain strength (36?) In the retail channel. And this assumes that bottled juice will still be allowed and there is clearly a chance that bottled juice as a whole is in jeopardy.

I can live with taxes but I can't live without bottled juice. With that being said, I have a 5 year supply for myself, wife, and 2 best friends. I took great care in bottling it and even vacuum sealed each bottle for good measure. Even if nothing happens I'm still totally content with my investment.

 

[SITS]

After reading this, y'all have made me a little nervous so I am going to buy some nic juice. I have never done diy but don't want to get caught short or screwed by the government. I am going to get 3 liters of 100mg juice. Will the bottles go straight into the freezer without breaking or do I need to get some other bottles to break it down into smaller quantities before freezing? Many thanks in advance for the advice.

 

[DigitalDoom]

Seriously...you all worry too much. DIYers are probably the safest bunch of capers in the nation. It will be difficult to tax Nic concentrate IMHO.

Those who need to worry about highest taxes are the ones who buy pre-filled carts and cartons or those who buy pre-mixed, flavored juice.

Non-flavored Nic concentrate will probably see very little (if any) tough regulation and PG/VG can't be taxed as ecig supplies.

Relax people....there are much bigger issues to worry about.

 

[GaryInTexas]

Why in the world would you come to the conclusion that Nic base will be spared the rod? This has nothing to do with our health or even the children. This about a government that has spent itself into massive debt and is looking for anything to tax for additional revenue. I do not share your optimism.


And just to spare the politics of this issue, this has been a joint venture.

 

[pennysmalls]

I just ordered a liter of 100mg/ml nic base to add to the other 500 ml's I already have. I can't imagine what a 10 year supply would be? Or a 5 year supply for several family members? Thankfully I only have to stock up for myself. I don't like having to store this stuff with three kids in the house but ............I'll just do my best to get it packed up real good.

 

[jhcali71]

While I believe that we need to do more as a community to stop the Anti's from making e-cigs and e-juice the next cash cow for the government. However, being a Russian who plans for the wost and hopes for the best, I have just acquired 1 liter of 100mg that I should be able to dilute to my nic level and if I did the math right it should last 2 years of use.

However, with the government shutdown, I don't think the FDA will be making any announcements and if it goes on long enough, it may take even longer for business to return to normal so they can come out with these new regulations...

I think maybe next paycheck I might buy another batch of NIC, just to put in the freezer... 4 years seems like more than enough time to allow us to fight the good fight.. Plus if they start taxing the juice, I'll be tax free for a while.

 

[dannyv45]

I for one am concerned but not overly concerned and have a stockpile of 1250ml of NIC which is a 2 year supply for me. I don't have the cash to buy huge stock piles so my though is if it happens it happens. I've seen what they did with cigarettes and when I was a smoker I resorted to roll your own which was much cheaper then buying store bought brands. The government caught on to RYO and taxed the hell out of raw cigarette tobacco and then us RYO's had to resort to rolling pipe tobacco. And now how long before the government catches on to this and taxes the hell out of pipe tobacco. Well I do feel DYS juice is going to go in the same direction. Already several local cities are trying to pass laws making vaping hardware illegal and putting the same restraints on it as they do drug paraphernalia. Big tobacco is forcing the development of legislation to ban or regulate the sale of NIC juice. And it will all boil down to regardless of how much we protest the average man will have no say in it and it will pass. I've seen it before and although it pisses me off to know end I've learned to live with it.

 

[bosun]

Government and tax? Who would have every thought to put those two together! Michigan cig tax. $1.00 Fed, $2.00 State, 18 cents sales tax on the tax. We poor people started rolling our own. RYO cig tax went from around $2.50/lb to $26.00/lb. And don't forget the $1.56 sales tax. RYO manufacturers renamed their product to pipe tobacco to stay in business. Those that didn't are gone. Now they want to apply that $26.00 tax to all 'loose' tobacco. They'll come up with some formula to tax nic and e-juice with nic in it. Don't be concerned that they may forget. It's not like they have to ask their bosses for a pay raise like we do...they just amend the law and their bosses (us) pay or go to jail!!

 

[GaryInTexas]

Just had a email run in with our local TV station. On his telecast commentary a few days ago he went on about how e-cigs needed to be regulated because they were flavoring them to attract kids. We had several back and forths including links to CAASA to give him some actual correct info. He agreed that his opinion may need to be thought through more but thousands of people have already seen his broadcast. He agreed to post my comments on their website but that will only be seen by very few. Bottom line is that the governments line of protecting kids from vaping is getting out more and more. As you know the only way to protect kids is through regulation and taxation.

 

[Bob Chill]

Why in the world would you come to the conclusion that Nic base will be spared the rod? This has nothing to do with our health or even the children. This about a government that has spent itself into massive debt and is looking for anything to tax for additional revenue. I do not share your optimism.


And just to spare the politics of this issue, this has been a joint venture.

I agree Gary. Concentrated bulk nic juice will be the first thing to go not the last. At best, it will require an expensive re-sellers license to even purchase it and the wholesale supply channel will be tightly controlled. I can envision selling concentrated nic juice on the black market will carry high end misdemeanor or low end felony charges.

 

[FACE MEAT]

FYI...

use coupon code "2YEAR" to get 20% off anything at highdesertvapes.com

That brings their already inexpensive 60mg/mL nic base to $60.79 for 1,000mL. That's dirt cheap!

 

[cookiebun]

While I believe that we need to do more as a community to stop the Anti's from making e-cigs and e-juice the next cash cow for the government. However, being a Russian who plans for the wost and hopes for the best, I have just acquired 1 liter of 100mg that I should be able to dilute to my nic level and if I did the math right it should last 2 years of use.

However, with the government shutdown, I don't think the FDA will be making any announcements and if it goes on long enough, it may take even longer for business to return to normal so they can come out with these new regulations...

I think maybe next paycheck I might buy another batch of NIC, just to put in the freezer... 4 years seems like more than enough time to allow us to fight the good fight.. Plus if they start taxing the juice, I'll be tax free for a while.

That's why I'm about to spend another big bunch of cash on more hardware. The government being shut down is a GOOD thing.