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Mini arrived today. Not sure if I like the look. It's ok, but I think it's a bit tall, the clear tank is a bigger diameter than the rest of it, and I'm not wild about the knurling. Can't wait to build it, though. I have a feeling it will be a really nice vape.

congrats...i dont mind the look of the clear tank, actually aesthetically its pretty nice imho, the knurling im not wild about either, especially because the kayfun drip tip protrudes because of it as you can see from my photos of it....i ordered the kayfun dt for it especailly, it really changes the vape quality because of the ultra small hole.....enjoy building the mini...lol...i use ribbon and its a major pita imho with the small screws and deck....
 

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thats with the kayfun dt...
@mozzer....is your bagua mixed ss and brass?
 

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congrats...i dont mind the look of the clear tank, actually aesthetically its pretty nice imho, the knurling im not wild about either, especially because the kayfun drip tip protrudes because of it as you can see from my photos of it....i ordered the kayfun dt for it especailly, it really changes the vape quality because of the ultra small hole.....enjoy building the mini...lol...i use ribbon and its a major pita imho with the small screws and deck....

haha yah, should be a fun challenge. Can't be as bad as building the Arrow with duals, though :p The Mini DID also gave me trouble just capturing the leads. Not sure why.
 

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That looks really nice! You manage to get the SM logo to line up. Yah, I have both so I mixed them.

yeah i use noalox on the threading....i have to open up the center post on the bagua a lot so it connects then by screwing down really slowly it will lock in place lined up, its fully locked just a little past the logo,,,,imho the center post on the bagua is cheaply constructed, its been giving me headaches since i got it...
i came from rebuilding gennys, so ekowool seemed really strange to me, im still getting used to coiling silica rba's....the only ones i own are the kmini and a trident....i have some bits of ceramic fc 2000 i want to try a wrap with ceramic and eko sometimes soon....
also i have a klite on the way from svoemesto russia, its taking forever....any idea what the time frame is? mine was shipped on aug 27
 

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yeah i use noalox on the threading....i have to open up the center post on the bagua a lot so it connects then by screwing down really slowly it will lock in place lined up, its fully locked just a little past the logo,,,,imho the center post on the bagua is cheaply constructed, its been giving me headaches since i got it...
i came from rebuilding gennys, so ekowool seemed really strange to me, im still getting used to coiling silica rba's....the only ones i own are the kmini and a trident....i have some bits of ceramic fc 2000 i want to try a wrap with ceramic and eko sometimes soon....
also i have a klite on the way from svoemesto russia, its taking forever....any idea what the time frame is? mine was shipped on aug 27

I just recently got the brass one, directly from Team Rampage. Took forever to get here via Registered International Mail. 10 days, I think, but some of that may have been caused by the Labor Day Weekend. Might be similar from Russia.

I'll give your suggestion a shot for lining everything up. I agree about the center post. Should have been reverse threaded. It's kind of fiddly the way it is, but I'm used to it.
 

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My KFL direct from Svoe in Russia took 3 weeks to my door in California..
thx....its been about 2 so far.....im russian so i read that it was actually shipped...not a very english friendly receipt lol....im looking forward to the wider spacing on the k lite...the k mini took a while for me to get a vape i actually enjoy consistently- mine is set up pretty simple-
2mm eko folded over with "bunny ears" tucked down, 30awg 4 wrap- 1.3ohm....
 

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I just recently got the brass one, directly from Team Rampage. Took forever to get here via Registered International Mail. 10 days, I think, but some of that may have been caused by the Labor Day Weekend. Might be similar from Russia.

I'll give your suggestion a shot for lining everything up. I agree about the center post. Should have been reverse threaded. It's kind of fiddly the way it is, but I'm used to it.

exactly! should have had better craftsmanship overall.....there are too many points on the bagua that disappointed me genuinely....it was a toss up between a precise 14500 and bagua to house my k mini, and the bagua raises too many questions that simply cannot be answered without getting a new mod...lol...
they should have paid more attention to really basic detail that any high end mech provides imho, genuine disappointment with build quality....its one of those things where i feel like i spent over $100 on an aestheticaly pleasing tube and that's not ok imho
there was a moment in frustration where i almost got rid of both the tank and the mod...lol
now im ok with it bcuz i finally enjoy the vape lol
 

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exactly! should have had better craftsmanship overall.....there are too many points on the bagua that disappointed me genuinely....it was a toss up between a precise 14500 and bagua to house my k mini, and the bagua raises too many questions that simply cannot be answered without getting a new mod...lol...
they should have paid more attention to really basic detail that any high end mech provides imho, genuine disappointment with build quality....its one of those things where i feel like i spent over $100 on an aestheticaly pleasing tube and that's not ok imho
there was a moment in frustration where i almost got rid of both the tank and the mod...lol
now im ok with it bcuz i finally enjoy the vape lol

It's mainly the button and the center pin that are less than perfect, for me. I still like them. I've been a little tempted by the Temon Hybrid from MM Vapors. It's in stock at the moment, but for 150 euro. I really think two 14500s are enough. right? lol
 

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It's mainly the button and the center pin that are less than perfect, for me. I still like them. I've been a little tempted by the Temon Hybrid from MM Vapors. It's in stock at the moment, but for 150 euro. I really think two 14500s are enough. right? lol

i really wanted the temon hybrid...holding off for now because i own enough gennys, but judging by the quality of mmv products im sure its an exemplary piece of machinery.....
almost bought it, credit card declined on that particular purchase--lol.,,,right after i got the trident and k mini, lol
yeah 2 14500 baguas are enough, maybe get rid of one and get the hybrid?
im thinking about it myself....
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Guys, question. So I solved the dry hit issues by using cotton balls with the micro coils. Very happy about that. But now it is flooding like crazy. I don't know what to do. My cotton is not blocking the channels. The issue is appearing when I go over 10 watts. My coil is 1.2 ohms. As soon as I hit the 11 watts I feel the base of the kayfun burning up and it starts leaking from the air hole. I really like the flavor at 12 watts but it's leaking all the time. At 9 watts it doesn't leak and I take few hard drags to keep it feeding, but I don't enjoy it. Can someone please suggest something? I have raised the coil for better air and to keep liquid far but its not working :(
when one increases wattage the coil is increasing in temperature, so what I believe is happening is there is a hotspot somewhere. just like in genesis issues, I have heard of people doing fine at lower wattages but as they increase they incur a hotspot. this hotspot is from a variety of things in a genny but in a micro coil its usually some end coils that are loose, squished, or a lot tighter then the others. this slight deformity also can create hot legs in the coil. hot legs in a micro coil is almost non existent if the coils are all touching each other, if you have gaps between the coils you can get hot legs which causes issues. if one were to get hot legs or a hot spot, it can dry the wick creating a flavor issue. also you can have a short, which may be caused from some part of the coil touching metal, maybe the ends where you snipped them off, if they protrude they can touch the chimney. now this is just a guess and not 100% sure if this is what actually happens but if one were to have a hotspot because of loose coils, the coil is to far away from the wick (or if ones wick is too thin) then the juice that is on the wick is not being vaporized. if juice is not being vaporized then it is possible that it accumulates and floods. also if your wick is too thin it also may be possible that it can flood. these are just some possibilities that can be happening and unfortunately sometimes the only way to zoom in on the problem is process of elimination. another thing that can be happening is the extra heat is making your juice thinner thus flooding the atty. I see this issue when my wife uses thin juice in her protank. in the protank I just install a flavor wick to prevent this. I vape juices that have more vg then pg so Im not sure how a predominantly pg juice works in this atty.
 

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Really enjoying the KFL's and all the experimenting everyone is doing with them.

I've tried the micro-coil with cotton, but it just wasn't to my liking. I finally found my perfect setups:

On Provari 30g 5 wraps @ 1.6 ohms vaping at 4.2 volts

On Nemesis 28g 6 wraps @1.1 ohms vaping with a kick on 10 watts

both with good 'ol silica, perfect vapor and flavor for me.



can I ask you a question pertaining to your nemesis device? what is the advantage of using a mech if you are only limiting it to 10 watts? is it just because you like the way the device looks? or is it just the fact that it is a solid device with no wires or chip-set that can break down? I ask because for me personally I use a mech to obtain wattages & resistances that I cannot obtain with a vv device. TBH if my provari could run resistances as low as .6 and could obtain wattages up to 20 watts I don't think I would actually use a non protected device(and that's why I am interested in a dna-20). I do however love the looks of the nemesis, it is a nice looking mod for sure and am just curious if that's the only reason you use it for.
 

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when one increases wattage the coil is increasing in temperature, so what I believe is happening is there is a hotspot somewhere. just like in genesis issues, I have heard of people doing fine at lower wattages but as they increase they incur a hotspot. this hotspot is from a variety of things in a genny but in a micro coil its usually some end coils that are loose, squished, or a lot tighter then the others. this slight deformity also can create hot legs in the coil. hot legs in a micro coil is almost non existent if the coils are all touching each other, if you have gaps between the coils you can get hot legs which causes issues. if one were to get hot legs or a hot spot, it can dry the wick creating a flavor issue. also you can have a short, which may be caused from some part of the coil touching metal, maybe the ends where you snipped them off, if they protrude they can touch the chimney. now this is just a guess and not 100% sure if this is what actually happens but if one were to have a hotspot because of loose coils, the coil is to far away from the wick (or if ones wick is too thin) then the juice that is on the wick is not being vaporized. if juice is not being vaporized then it is possible that it accumulates and floods. also if your wick is too thin it also may be possible that it can flood. these are just some possibilities that can be happening and unfortunately sometimes the only way to zoom in on the problem is process of elimination. another thing that can be happening is the extra heat is making your juice thinner thus flooding the atty. I see this issue when my wife uses thin juice in her protank. in the protank I just install a flavor wick to prevent this. I vape juices that have more vg then pg so Im not sure how a predominantly pg juice works in this atty.

Vapedivr thank you for the extensive reply. Well I'm not having an issue with dry hits anymore as I said. I used to have it but I was using cotton hemp and I was choking it. Now I have very good feeding. My problem is with the flooding. I see your point regarding the thin liquid or thin wick. I don't believe I have hot spots. And the wick seems just right. The only thing I can think of is thinning the liquid or too much heat is causing the pressure to change dramatically and causing flood. Whatever the problem is, how can I solve it? How are people using PG in their kayfun with this setup? My juice is actually 50/50. Do I add more cotton? Do I block the channels?
 

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I think tuning the kayfun is a lot like tuning the fuel injection, or more like the carburetor on a racecar, it's always comes down to either too rich or too lean, with the sweet spot being right there in the middle. the challenge is to first be able to identify weather it is too rich or too lean, and then secondly to figure out what to do to move it towards the other direction with the variables you have in the build

if you are too lean then your not getting enough "fuel" to match the coil and airflow, to compensate after the build you can either draw more, do primer puffs or block the intake and pull a bit to add "fuel" periodically. if you are tuned too rich to match the coil and airflow then you will get gurgling and eventually flooding, to compensate after the build you can pre press the fire button a few sec before drawing and hold it a few sec past the draw, if too rich it can eventually flood and then you'll need to clear the passage by blowing the excess out of course. ideally you want to get the build to be as close to "in the middle" as possible with just normal draws.

the main variables in tuning a build stem down to altering the coil and the wicking material and actual placement of each. personally, I find with true microcoils that for me, just a little cotton in the center of the coil alone is not enough, it is if the coil is a bit larger, like on just a smallish coil but on a tiny micro not enough, I find that I need at least some cotton added on the top or side. I've tried a lot of different setups. cotton on both sides can give me a really great feed but results in a very flavorful but cool and muted vape and poor vapor production, I think too much of the vape(air/fuel mixture) winds up being filtered through the cotton. I get better results with cotton added on just one side, leaving the other side open for airflow

recently I've been playing with no cotton in the center of the microcoil at all and just cotton on one side and on top, leaving the bottom and one side of the coil open directly to the airstream as it flows across from intake to exhaust. my current build is the same 3.8 ohm ribbon micro I posted a few days ago with no cotton in the center, I have just one piece of cotton that drapes half way over the top and packed to one side of the coil. so far it has been really really good. nice sweet vapes at 6V, not huge vapor production like a genny but a nice balanced hit each time, the right hit for a stealth vape I guess. I like to be able to pull it out in a store like staples, take a nice draw yet not blow clouds afterwards. this is the kind of vape you can short draw and hold in long enough to exhale almost no vapor. I can vape without anyone really noticing, no one gets offended when they don't even notice your vaping :) next build I'll probably try exactly the same but maybe bring it down to 3.4 ohms or so. I made a quick vid to show the vape. I use a tiny tube I just picked up to blow air into the intake to show the draw here. this is a little less than 10 watts, I'm blowing into it around as hard as I would normally draw. next build I'd like to kick it up to a little over 11 watts but everything else the same. first time doing a vid on photobucket hope it works, click the pic I think :)


pretty cool, while most are chasing big clouds you are hiding them, refreshing!
 

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I do like clouds, but not in a pocket stealth vape, that causes nothing but problems I think... I want to be able to hit a pocket vape anywhere and at any time without anyone even noticing, where if it was a cloud machine then I wouldn't be able to hit it at times I guess... at home or in my car I do a completely different type of vape than my stealth vape

I ordered a kf lite before the weekend but just changed my order to the full 3.1 instead, I'm too afraid of loosing the air intake adjustment which I do use to finetune my builds I guess :) the 3.1 I'll go more for a cloud machine as it's not so stealthy to begin with :)
 
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