Kayfun LITE

[donnah]

hey guys, I have seen a lot of posts saying that you don't want to block off the juice channels on the kayfun, in fact I might have said this before. after many builds I have actually noticed that as I open up my lite to re-wick or mess around with a new build that my wick tails are always positioned right on this channel. if someone told me to position my wick tail to actually block off this channel, then this is what it looks like to me. my tails really don't sit along the ledge, they basically are positioned just to the ledge and really are positioned right on the channel itself. I believe this position is good, the juice still comes in and I don't think it is really possible to block off the flow of juice unless you actually stuff it into the channel. I don't intentionally position my tails at the channels but it is very close and every time I open up my kayfun the tails somehow re- position slightly and move closer to the channel. anyways I can honestly say I have never had a dry hit with this device with micro&cotton and maybe this is a possible reason. so if some are having issues with dry hits and they believe the wick size is good and have a good coil then try a shorter wick that just reaches the channel and position it right at the channel, its worth a try. i know its late, couldn't sleep.

Interesting... I pretty much always try my best to make sure that the wick tails are far away from the opening where the juice channels are. After reading this.. I put in a new wick. I made the cotton just pointy enough to start and pull through the coil. As per Rule's description below

I left the tails nice and fluffy. After screwing on the chamber, I placed the tails right on top of the opening. I haven't been vaping it for very long but it's working so far. After taking a draw, I can see bubbles coming up. Hmm.. after weeks of trying to keep the tails AWAY from the channels, maybe this was the cause of my wicking issues? I've thought that the cause of my lack of wicking was the juice channels being blocked. But maybe it's because I've kept the wicks away and instead of blocking them, they've not been there to wick the juice into the chamber. I've been "burnt" way too many times in the past to declare success any time soon but it's definitely wicking right now.

I'm really not too fussy about it. I guess I run the ends of the cotton along the ledge a bit. It doesn't seem to matter whether they just drop down and stop, or run along the ledge a but. I never get dry hits. I have no idea why some folks do. These things just work. For me, I just make sure not to fool with, or twist the cotton up too much. I leave it pretty fluffy. Before saturating the cotton, mine look sort of like the guy's white moustache in the monopoly game.

For those who are getting dry hits, I'm curious as to what voltages or amperages people are vaping at? Dry hits occur when A: The wicking material isn't wicking at all; or B: When the user's demand exceeds the wick's ability to replenish the coil fast enough.
I never get dry hits with my micro coil/cotton set ups. But I find that these set ups don't require a lot of power, to equal or surpass the vape that a mesh geny provides.
Personally, my micros meter at 1.2 ohms, and I vape them at 3.6 or 3.7 volts, which gives around 11 watts + or -. They work equally well on mechanicals as they do on the Provari.

My coil right now reads 2Ω My voltage on the Provari is 4.1 which is giving me 8.4watts. To get 11watts I upped the voltage to 4.6v and got an immediate burnt hit. This is with the wick I just installed above. I lowered it back down to 4.1v. This wick has been wicking excellent for the past 30 min or so. So I've slowly upped the voltage to where I'm now at 4.5v and no dryness or burnt and it's still wicking well. I just put it on my Roller with a fresh batt and it's still doing great. So I'm vaping anywhere from 8 to almost 11 watts. I know that I've not yet gone above 11 watts.

 

[lctrc]

Edit: Oh, and also, can the normal Kayfun be converted into a KFL by swapping bottom caps?

I'd say 'yes'. The threading is the same - the large clear tank for the 3.1 fits the Lite. You can't buy just the base though, so you'd have to buy an entire 3.1 and an entire Lite.

 

[butteroj]

Got bored and decided to dual coil my kfl.

9 wrap 30g micros coming in @ 1ohm

 

[Amnesia1187]

I'd say 'yes'. The threading is the same - the large clear tank for the 3.1 fits the Lite. You can't buy just the base though, so you'd have to buy an entire 3.1 and an entire Lite.

I saw the bases here: http://www.svoemesto.de/kayfun-lite/kayfun-lite-base.html

Just noticed it does not appear they ship to the states.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I just purchased two KFL's. I was actually leaning towards the Russian 91 until a friend schooled me on the assault on SvoeMesto's business by the makers of the Russian. My conscience over-rode air control and a few dollar savings.

Only time to be brief, I love them. MUCH easier to setup than my Pennies or Ithaka's. More difficult than my Prometey, but these hold much more juice and no filler. One is setup at 30ga, 1.9ohms, 5/6 wrap. The other is 28ga, 1.2 ohms, 9/10 wrap. Both micro coils. Little difference between the two really in taste or performance. I love how almost ALL of the wire is in the coil, almost no legs at all.

Both setups were perfect from the start. I've filled both ways without a drop of leakage. I'm an RDA convert from HH357's, and the cost savings long term will be significant, the convenience of the tanks irrefutable. And I actually like the tips that are supplied, very slender and good mouth feel.

I got these from Cloud9, hate the VAT. Also, I only received the two KFL's and two bags of Orings and screws. No tool. More letter, thanks for all the guidance here, it made the decision and setup very easy.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I just purchased two KFL's. I was actually leaning towards the Russian 91 until a friend schooled me on the assault on SvoeMesto's business by the makers of the Russian. My conscience over-rode air control and a few dollar savings.

Only time to be brief, I love them. MUCH easier to setup than my Pennies or Ithaka's. More difficult than my Prometey, but these hold much more juice and no filler. One is setup at 30ga, 1.9ohms, 5/6 wrap. The other is 28ga, 1.2 ohms, 9/10 wrap. Both micro coils. Little difference between the two really in taste or performance. I love how almost ALL of the wire is in the coil, almost no legs at all.

Both setups were perfect from the start. I've filled both ways without a drop of leakage. I'm an RDA convert from HH357's, and the cost savings long term will be significant, the convenience of the tanks irrefutable. And I actually like the tips that are supplied, very slender and good mouth feel.

I got these from Cloud9, hate the VAT. Also, I only received the two KFL's and two bags of Orings and screws. No tool. More later, thanks for all the guidance here, it made the decision and setup very easy.

 

[nelsonm64]

Blehhhhhhhh... Finally got the money to order a KFL, was gonna get it from intaste and now they are sold out. Can't decide what to do.

I know cloud9 has em, but it makes me feel dirty paying VAT when I live in the US. Thought about going direct to SvoeMesto, but then shipping will take forever. How often does InTaste stock?

Also looked into getting a Russian 91% instead, but seems like they are even harder to get than the KFL despite being a Chinese made clone.

Edit: Oh, and also, can the normal Kayfun be converted into a KFL by swapping bottom caps?

i know of a canadian site that has the 91% in stock currently.

 

[eHuman]

I've tried silica, ekowool and cotton all in various configurations, all numerous times. No love. On the ekowool figure 8, one tank tasted awesome, once I refilled it, back to wicking issues. I've seriously tried 20 set ups and this thing is soon to be featured in the classies.

I have eliminated thinking that my cotton wasn't good. I wrapped a dual-double coils on my nimbus 2 and fed four cotton wicks in the same thickness/method that I have tried on the KFL. Very smooth and clean taste. (28g, 12 wrap bent in half making two six wrap coils in series, one of those on each side, total load = 0.9 Ω.)

The only time I can get 1/2 a decent drag on any wick material on the KFL is when I purposely flood it, but then at best it doesn't come close to an average fill-in-the-blank rba and I end up with a mess to clean up...

I'm not a noob to RBAs and have kept my mouth shut thinking that I would get over the learning curve after some playing. All of the success stories here lead me to think there might be something wrong with mine, but the juice channel cuts appear to be as deep as any of the pix I've seen here.

I've had this this for 3 weeks, I'm pretty patient but this thing has challenged that patience more than a Genny ever did.

 

[bustabo]

^^^^

I'm having the same issue. Pissing me off....

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[Bryan lord]

Explanation on my cloud 9 chargers the yanks vat.


On the VAT, unfortunately, Her Majesty s Revenue and Customs won’t accept our Royal Mail shipment receipts as proper evidence of export, so we still have to collect the VAT for them. Every country in Europe has its own VAT authority and they all have their own rules and levels of evidence required. In some cases, we have seen vendors in the UK who aren't aware of the burden of proof required to zero-rate exports, and could be called upon to pay the 20% back at any point in the 6 years after the transaction happened. Most likely a VAT inspection would put them out of business.
I am sorry about this, but at present we do have to collect it to remain fully legal. All prices on the site include the 20% VAT as is mandatory here to show inclusive prices.
Lisa


-Lord

 

[Mozzer]

So odd. My Kayfuns, Lite and Mini, are my most stable and consistent atties. It's really hard to imagine there being much variation in the machining tolerances. They are incredibly well made. I have had some minor seeping during somewhat extreme atmospheric changes, but not generally. Not a single dry hit. You guys know your stuff, so it's really baffling why you're having trouble.

 

[qorax]

So odd. My Kayfuns, Lite and Mini, are my most stable and consistent atties. It's really hard to imagine there being much variation in the machining tolerances. They are incredibly well made. I have had some minor seeping during somewhat extreme atmospheric changes, but not generally. Not a single dry hit. You guys know your stuff, so it's really baffling why you're having trouble.

It baffles me too

 

[vapdivrr]

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[eHuman]

So odd. My Kayfuns, Lite and Mini, are my most stable and consistent atties. It's really hard to imagine there being much variation in the machining tolerances. They are incredibly well made. I have had some minor seeping during somewhat extreme atmospheric changes, but not generally. Not a single dry hit. You guys know your stuff, so it's really baffling why you're having trouble.

Ya it's not rocket science. I've been a tinkering craftsman my whole life, I've got a $200k electronics education from the US Navy and I am a mechanical engineering student (late in life back to school, yay).

Vaper-lock, gravity, wicking, capillary action, atmospheric and temperature effects on a pressure differential tank... These are not new or confusing concepts for me.

Without my wick covering the juice channel, (using silica, ekowool or cotton) and the wick pre-primed, I can't suck hard or often enough to re-saturate the wick, period. Logic tells me the juice channels are too small but they don't look undercut compared to pix I've seen. I paid too much for this thing to justify cutting into it.

My hopes are that it is something simple that I've over looked. I'll push on through and experiment more than I have. I'd hate to sell it and hear that the new owner had no problems, slightly less than hearing they bought a lemon from me and can't get it to work either.

 

[nelsonm64]

It baffles me too

me too. the only time i personally had any wicking issues it was my fault. for the life of me i can't imagine what the problem could be! they know what they're doing...

 

[vapdivrr]

Interesting... I pretty much always try my best to make sure that the wick tails are far away from the opening where the juice channels are. After reading this.. I put in a new wick. I made the cotton just pointy enough to start and pull through the coil. As per Rule's description below

I left the tails nice and fluffy. After screwing on the chamber, I placed the tails right on top of the opening. I haven't been vaping it for very long but it's working so far. After taking a draw, I can see bubbles coming up. Hmm.. after weeks of trying to keep the tails AWAY from the channels, maybe this was the cause of my wicking issues? I've thought that the cause of my lack of wicking was the juice channels being blocked. But maybe it's because I've kept the wicks away and instead of blocking them, they've not been there to wick the juice into the chamber. I've been "burnt" way too many times in the past to declare success any time soon but it's definitely wicking right now.






My coil right now reads 2Ω My voltage on the Provari is 4.1 which is giving me 8.4watts. To get 11watts I upped the voltage to 4.6v and got an immediate burnt hit. This is with the wick I just installed above. I lowered it back down to 4.1v. This wick has been wicking excellent for the past 30 min or so. So I've slowly upped the voltage to where I'm now at 4.5v and no dryness or burnt and it's still wicking well. I just put it on my Roller with a fresh batt and it's still doing great. So I'm vaping anywhere from 8 to almost 11 watts. I know that I've not yet gone above 11 watts.

hopefully you will continue to have good luck. I never made a coil at such high resistances on the lite so not really sure. the highest I have done is 1.4 ohms at like 4.4v. my usual is low ohms and after all voltage drops isn't much more then 3.6volts going into the coil. I have often thought that the higher the voltage and the thinner the gauge, the hotter the coil, maybe excessive heat contributes to dry hits, not sure. have you tried lower resistances and lower voltages to see if it made any difference?

 

[vapdivrr]

Ya it's not rocket science. I've been a tinkering craftsman my whole life, I've got a $200k electronics education from the US Navy and I am a mechanical engineering student (late in life back to school, yay).

Vaper-lock, gravity, wicking, capillary action, atmospheric and temperature effects on a pressure differential tank... These are not new or confusing concepts for me.

Without my wick covering the juice channel, (using silica, ekowool or cotton) and the wick pre-primed, I can't suck hard or often enough to re-saturate the wick, period. Logic tells me the juice channels are too small but they don't look undercut compared to pix I've seen. I paid too much for this thing to justify cutting into it.

My hopes are that it is something simple that I've over looked. I'll push on through and experiment more than I have. I'd hate to sell it and hear that the new owner had no problems, slightly less than hearing they bought a lemon from me and can't get it to work either.

have you tried covering up the juice channel? maybe a slightly shorter wick placed right on the channel. I never intensionally done this but after breaking down so many builds to change wicks and try different set-ups I have noticed that most of my wick tails wind up sitting directly on the channel.

 

[qorax]

me too. the only time i personally had any wicking issues it was my fault. for the life of me i can't imagine what the problem could be! they know what they're doing...

Yep, I've laid them flat, upside down, carried in my pockets, went on Roller Coaster (Canada's Wonderland), took a flight (to Dubai & back, 18-19 hrs. each way), vaped at hi-alti, dropped them on the driveway, didn't clean/rewick/recoil them for 6 tank-fulls, build them whatever way I liked... they never failed, leaked, gurgled, dried-up, whatever!

The only atty I repeatedly tinker with... coil & wick it whatever way I like, whatever with.... it just performs.... straight out of the build. Thus, baffled by the issues others have. And I'm a chain-vaper too.

 

[Rule62]

I agree somewhat. I do think its possible to have slight variances which could make a difference.

I don't know. Today's CNC machines are pretty accurate and consistent. I have 5 Lites, from 3 different suppliers, bought at different times; and they all perform equally well.

 

[donnah]

Ya it's not rocket science. I've been a tinkering craftsman my whole life, I've got a $200k electronics education from the US Navy and I am a mechanical engineering student (late in life back to school, yay).

Vaper-lock, gravity, wicking, capillary action, atmospheric and temperature effects on a pressure differential tank... These are not new or confusing concepts for me.

Without my wick covering the juice channel, (using silica, ekowool or cotton) and the wick pre-primed, I can't suck hard or often enough to re-saturate the wick, period. Logic tells me the juice channels are too small but they don't look undercut compared to pix I've seen. I paid too much for this thing to justify cutting into it.

My hopes are that it is something simple that I've over looked. I'll push on through and experiment more than I have. I'd hate to sell it and hear that the new owner had no problems, slightly less than hearing they bought a lemon from me and can't get it to work either.

As you may or may not know, I've had the same issues. BUT, they're not consistant. I've had builds that wicked perfectly. Few and far between but I've had them. This has led me to believe that it's not my particular unit that is at fault but me.

From the very beginning, my mind set has been to keep the wick tails away from the channel openings so that the juice would be able to come into the chamber as I vape. I figured that the cotton would block the juice. But after reading vapdivrr's late night/early morning post, I wondered if I had it all wrong. Maybe the cotton doesn't block the juice at all.. maybe it needs to be there to draw the juice in. On many of my nonwicking builds, I've taken the top cap off, drained the juice, then taken the chimney off, thinking that the wicks were blocking the channels only to find they weren't, they were exactly where I initially placed them, far away from the channels.

This morning I purposely placed the tails directly in front of the channels. It has been performing flawlessly for several hours. This confirms that I do not have a lemon. My coil is 2Ω so I don't think that resistance matters much if at all. I don't remember exactly but I know I've had much lower Ω coils in it and still had wicking issues. Trying to keep the wicks away from the channels is the only thing that I've done deliberately and consistantly this whole time. Maybe the times that I've had great wicking were times that my wicks migrated over to the channels despite me trying to keep them away.

I'm trying not to get too excited because if I'm wrong, I'll be crushed. I tried to be content with manually flooding it and it was still great when I did that. I figured it was no worse than having to manually feed a bottom feeder. But when it wicks perfectly on it's own.. the vape is absolutely awesome!