Kayfun LITE

[vapdivrr]

Vapdivrr should make a video of a kayfun build! I liked your ac9 cotton vid.

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i do, here it is micro coil on the kayfun lite - YouTube also i just finished a better one, it will be up by tomorrow. sorry about the music, its a long story, the new one is a lot better.

 

[vapdivrr]

I've been having the same issues as Donnah, having to intentionally flood or else dry hits. I've been doing microcoils on my Reo's for months without any problems, so I have been really frustrated. I was also up hung my wicks away from the channels, trying not to block them off, so I really hope that lining them up and trimming at the ledge helps the KFL work better. If not I'll probably put it in the classies, I have such an easy time with my Reo's and I am really frustrated with this, gettin to the point where I am sick of fiddling and it never works for long. I wish I was getting the results most of you are.

you need slightly more then just trimming at the ledge. i do cut at the ledge but do add a slight bend in the wick, so its just slightly more then just at the ledge.

 

[vapdivrr]

You also said the juice feeds from the bottom.

Along with a personal opinion about the kayfun blowing a genesis out of the water. Don't get me wrong I like the kayfun style attys, but I have got genesis style attys that vape every bit as good. Typically genesis style attys don't even use silica/cotton type wicks like the kayfun, which will make comparisons hard to quantify. I guess it just depends on the person and their experience with genisis attys and rebuildables in general.

i agree, my genesis devices are just as good as the k-lite in performance. flavor, with a fresh tank of juice, in a genny may just be a smidgen better. but after a half tank of juice in a genny, the flavor diminishes a little, so overall i do like the kayfun better because of other reasons which are absolutely no leaking, can be microed, and looks better. as for vapor production, if i do a .6 ohm coil in the lite its equal to a .8 build in a genny, but ohm for ohm my genny produces more vapor.

 

[vapdivrr]

I have one of those swivel drip tips too. So I tried it. I didn't see any difference in the vape, from whatever natural geny tilt I do. But I just didn't like vaping that way. I felt like I should be playing in a jug band.

well i really got used to vaping vertical when i bought the reo which i had also bought a swiveler, so when i got the lite i was kind of used to it. now it feels funny do the genny tilt.

 

[vapdivrr]

The kayfun is great, flavor, setup no leaks ,but it does not even near put out the amount of vapor that some of the genesis style attys and drippers put out, there just isn't enough airflow in the design to amount lots of vapor, I sometimes find it hard to use after using my omega dripper, or my ac9 ,now setup in dripper style, that is really my only negative with the kayfun, airflow and vapor production, if theres a way to increase vapor on the kayfun, I would love to know it iv tried weeks of different setups and still the vapor production is not what I would expect

for me i am used to low ohm's. my reo is set up at .6, my gennys are about the same, and my k-lite is set up with 26g at .65Ω. this is the only way i feel satisfied with the lite. at this resistance it does push out some pretty good vapor. i have tried the lite with 28g and resistances above 1-ohm (on a vv device) and imo, it does lack the vapor production, but that's just me, im used to higher wattages then some. so have you tried the kayfun at lower resistances? if not give it a try if you feel like you need more vapor production. i use a 1/16 diameter micro coil. but even at this resistance, it still doesn't compare to the vapor of something like a reo.

 

[donnah]

I've been having the same issues as Donnah, having to intentionally flood or else dry hits. I've been doing microcoils on my Reo's for months without any problems, so I have been really frustrated. I was also up hung my wicks away from the channels, trying not to block them off, so I really hope that lining them up and trimming at the ledge helps the KFL work better. If not I'll probably put it in the classies, I have such an easy time with my Reo's and I am really frustrated with this, gettin to the point where I am sick of fiddling and it never works for long. I wish I was getting the results most of you are.

It looks like there's quite a few of us who have been under the impression that the wicks need to stay away from the channels. I have been in vape heaven for the past couple of days since I quit trying to keep the channels open. I can't believe the difference! Mine is now working like I hoped it would. It seems too good to be true... I keep thinking that dry cotton taste will come back but it doesn't.

I slid the cotton through the coil, put the chamber on, trimmed the wicks flush with the top of the chamber and then using tweezers, I placed them down in the chamber, directly in front of the inlets. I primed the wick, saturating it thoroughly. I filled it and let it sit for a little while I could tell a difference immediately!

What turbocad6 said a few pages back...

guys, those channels puff up with juice when you draw, kind of like the squonking of a reo, if there is no wick right there to suck up this swelling up of juice by the little outlets then the juice will just be sucked back into the tank when you stop your draw and you will get NO feed, if wick is there, and juice is sucked up, then when you stop drawing it can't suck the same juice back in so it sucks air back in, if you're not getting a rising air bubble on just about every draw then you are not wicked properly, don't keep the wick away from the hole, keep it right there to suck up any swell up of juice from it. if you put way too much, THEN you could seal off these orifices well enough that the tank won't even see the suction, so don't over stuff it, but def wick right at the feed holes. after getting my full sized kayfun I now realize how much more room you have, the mini is easy t use too much wick and seal up the tank but the full sized kayfun and the light have huge wells, don't be afraid to get some wick right in there, it's the only way it'll feed, otherwise the same juice just goes in and out, in and out, and never feeds the coil.

makes perfect sense. I would venture to say that the ones here that are getting dry hits and not wicking are also under the false assumption that the wicks need to be away from the inlet channels.

I have a 91% on preorder from vaportekusa (Aug 8) and now I REALLY can't wait for it to get here!

 

[vapdivrr]

while making another kayfun video today i tried to get the lite to give me some dry hits, (not in the video but after). i made a wick that was to thick and although it didn't give me a dry hit, it didn't perform as well. i then made a wick that was a little whimpy, this wick threaded through the coil kind of easy. also this wick wasn't as dense as my usual wicks, bingo, this wick instantly gave me dry hits. i think in certain devices little is better with the cotton wicks, but in the kayfun i think to error on the side of thicker, is better. with that being said, there is a certain size and density that works the best.

 

[vapdivrr]

It looks like there's quite a few of us who have been under the impression that the wicks need to stay away from the channels. I have been in vape heaven for the past couple of days since I quit trying to keep the channels open. I can't believe the difference! Mine is now working like I hoped it would. It seems too good to be true... I keep thinking that dry cotton taste will come back but it doesn't.

I slid the cotton through the coil, put the chamber on, trimmed the wicks flush with the top of the chamber and then using tweezers, I placed them down in the chamber, directly in front of the inlets. I primed the wick, saturating it thoroughly. I filled it and let it sit for a little while I could tell a difference immediately!

What turbocad6 said a few pages back...

guys, those channels puff up with juice when you draw, kind of like the squonking of a reo, if there is no wick right there to suck up this swelling up of juice by the little outlets then the juice will just be sucked back into the tank when you stop your draw and you will get NO feed, if wick is there, and juice is sucked up, then when you stop drawing it can't suck the same juice back in so it sucks air back in, if you're not getting a rising air bubble on just about every draw then you are not wicked properly, don't keep the wick away from the hole, keep it right there to suck up any swell up of juice from it. if you put way too much, THEN you could seal off these orifices well enough that the tank won't even see the suction, so don't over stuff it, but def wick right at the feed holes. after getting my full sized kayfun I now realize how much more room you have, the mini is easy t use too much wick and seal up the tank but the full sized kayfun and the light have huge wells, don't be afraid to get some wick right in there, it's the only way it'll feed, otherwise the same juice just goes in and out, in and out, and never feeds the coil.

makes perfect sense. I would venture to say that the ones here that are getting dry hits and not wicking are also under the false assumption that the wicks need to be away from the inlet channels.

I have a 91% on preorder from vaportekusa (Aug 8) and now I REALLY can't wait for it to get here!

i was never much on giving the actual explanations or the science behind it, like the one above, i just knew from my builds that the tails always were near the channels when i opened up the device so i had to post that hoping that this was the reason for many of the dry hits.

 

[donnah]

i was never much on giving the actual explanations or the science behind it, like the one above, i just knew from my builds that the tails always were near the channels when i opened up the device so i had to post that hoping that this was the reason for many of the dry hits.

when I read your post it was like a light bulb went on over me head

LOL... I thought "That's it! That's GOT to be it!" and so far, that's been "it"

 

[fordski]

when I read your post it was like a light bulb went on over me head

LOL... I thought "That's it! That's GOT to be it!" and so far, that's been "it"

Donnah so glad to hear it's working for you. I've been following your trials and tribulations but couldn't offer much as I too was having challenges with inconsistency in my builds. Some were great and some were weak in vapor or resulted in burnt taste. I also was trying to keep the wick away from the channels for fear of plugging them. Lately my builds have been working great and I attribute that to being less precise about the wick tails....When the Kayfun works well it is awesome and now it seems that the solution for a more consistent build has been found. Enjoy Donnah and I appreciate your persistence and the advice of others in finding a solution.....

 

[fordski]

i was never much on giving the actual explanations or the science behind it, like the one above, i just knew from my builds that the tails always were near the channels when i opened up the device so i had to post that hoping that this was the reason for many of the dry hits.

vapdivrr thanks for all the great advice you have provided on here re micro and cotton builds. It's much appreciated.

 

[Dru_Duns]

Oh not that, picked up the 'full version' - the Kayfun 3.1ES clone. Got my tracking# at noon. Expected delivery day after√

Fetched it for three reasons:
1. To compare it with the Kayfun and see what the hullabaloo is all about
2. Was cheap -- $110 shipped
3. Was sitting [in stock] inside Canada.

I agree why not, keep us posted

 

[eHuman]

UPDATE:
Finally had/took the time to re-coil and wick the KFL.
1/16", 28g, 9-wrap, 1.5Ω.
Coil mounted perpendicular to posts (directly towards juice channels), bottom of coil just below top of post screws.
Cotton wick lightly rolled/compressed just to give it shape, ends cut @ deck placed over juice holes.
Wick primed, cover installed and wicks re-adjusted with paper-clip to ensure their position.

RESULTS:
Cotton taste/dry hits gone so far. Build is only 20 minutes old but this is a huge improvement over previous builds.
I vape a distinctly strong flavored cinnamon red hots DIY juice, so far zero flavor has come through.
Most recent pull started displaying hints of cotton taste, nothing on the order of previous results but detectable. Pulled some primer puffs, didn't change it but is hasn't gotten worse, still no flavor.

OBSERVATIONS/CONCLUSIONS:
Definitely appears that wick over hole solves cotton dry hit problem, subsequent tests needed to confirm if it is consistently repeatable.
Will do two things to address flavor.
1. Wait and see if the wick seasons (should be flavor from the start, but I'll vape what's in there and see.)
2. Experiment with wick density, less on next build to see if flavor comes through.

KFL no longer a hate, but not yet a love.

I'll keep you posted.

 

[Bronze]

Love the objectiveness eHuman. Stick with it like you are and let's see what happens. Perhaps try a different flavor to see if it is device-related or juice-related.

 

[BigSpoon]

Where would I put the Vaseline? On the oring?

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just to be sure, do you have an o-ring on both ends of the clear section? if not you should and that could be the issue.

 

[Amnesia1187]

WAAAANT Kayfun Lite NAU!!! C'mon InTaste... Restock already.

 

[Bronze]

WAAAANT Kayfun Lite NAU!!! C'mon InTaste... Restock already.

InTaste restocked on/about Sept 6 and I ordered one. Got it on Sept. 11 and they ran out right after that. Hard to get one. I sympathize with you. It's worth the wait if you haven't experienced one yet.

 

[lctrc]

so far zero flavor has come through

This has been my issue. I've never had problems with dry hits, flooding, leaking, etc. But I've also struggled to get decent flavor.

Interesting that for you cinnamon is giving you problems - I vape mostly tobacco flavors, which almost disappear entirely, while non-tobacco flavors have been relatively okay.

So far, nichrome 60 8 wrap micro-diameter (1.6mm) @ .9 ohms with cotton has done the most to bring the tobacco flavors back for me.

 

[Mozzer]

This has been my issue. I've never had problems with dry hits, flooding, leaking, etc. But I've also struggled to get decent flavor.

Interesting that for you cinnamon is giving you problems - I vape mostly tobacco flavors, which almost disappear entirely, while non-tobacco flavors have been relatively okay.

So far, nichrome 60 8 wrap micro-diameter (1.6mm) @ .9 ohms with cotton has done the most to bring the tobacco flavors back for me.

My initial reaction to KFL was that flavor was muted, but as I acclimated to it, it seemed more like a better balance of flavor. Gennies tend to overly emphasise the primary flavor. I must admit I haven't tried my most subtle tobacco in the KFL yet. It will be interesting to see if it gets too subdued.

 

[qorax]

This has been my issue. I've never had problems with dry hits, flooding, leaking, etc. But I've also struggled to get decent flavor.

Interesting that for you cinnamon is giving you problems - I vape mostly tobacco flavors, which almost disappear entirely, while non-tobacco flavors have been relatively okay.

So far, nichrome 60 8 wrap micro-diameter (1.6mm) @ .9 ohms with cotton has done the most to bring the tobacco flavors back for me.

One of my KFLs is loaded with MLV's awesome Virginia Menthol Tobacco. I get better taste of it on my KFL than the same on any other atty!