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vape Royalty, both of them. Weridly enough the new one had a lower serial number. Guess they are just random. Who cares right?

EDIT: BTW, got my massive HHV order in as well. Dark Horse, Serendipity, Heavenly Army, Shadow, Legend, Dragon's Fire and Huntsman 15ML of each 100% VG 12MG Nic. :)

Thanks for the info. Take your time working over those HHV flavors. Tell me how they're working for you.
 

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Thanks for the info. Take your time working over those HHV flavors. Tell me how they're working for you.

Sure will! You'll be the first to know since you recommended them. ;)

I intend to let them steep at least a week before putting them in my Kayfuns. I will however run the 3 newer ones on my EVODs throughout the week to see how they change.
 

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Sure will! You'll be the first to know since you recommended them. ;)

I intend to let them steep at least a week before putting them in my Kayfuns. I will however run the 3 newer ones on my EVODs throughout the week to see how they change.

Don't forget to get the caps and drippers off for a day or two. They use alcohol to extract the tobacco and you want it to evaporate.

And there is nothing like Dragon's Fire in the Kayfun. :)
 

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Folks, a family reunion... the brothers; KFL and KFL Plus. Thanks for all the good posts on these two outstanding RBAs.

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The better performance with the KFL+ you are feeling is because the draw is a hair tighter even at full open witch forces extra juice flow into the chamber. ;)


Ya know, this never occurred to me. I've been using my KFL+ just the way it came without ever putting the air screw in because I like the open draw. I'm gonna try it out tonight with the air adjustment screw in. I keep forgetting these things are auto feeds which is all new to me. Thanks for turning the light on for me.
 

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Ya know, this never occurred to me. I've been using my KFL+ just the way it came without ever putting the air screw in because I like the open draw. I'm gonna try it out tonight with the air adjustment screw in. I keep forgetting these things are auto feeds which is all new to me. Thanks for turning the light on for me.

My light has been off my entire life. And I don't miss it. :)
 

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Man I think I'm going to regret saying this but right now my builds in my EVODs are performing better than my Kayfun builds at 13+ watts. Pissing me off that my $6 dollar EVOD's aren't burning vs my Kayfuns at this power level. I made sure the wicks where nice and fluffy for the fastest wicking action possible, maybe I need to fluff them up even more.

Has anyone else gotten to make these work perfectly at these power levels? Seems that now that I ventured into high wattage and seeing the great flavor and results I'm getting when they work right I really want to make them work perfectly without burn taste. Hmmm....

EDIT: Maybe I should rebuild them with the same build I put in my EVODs. I'm running 28awg on both, EVODs at 1.5mm inner diameter with 10 wraps, metering at 1.2ohms and the Kayfuns with 28awg 2mm inner diameter 8 wraps metering at 1.5ohms.

EDIT2: And my EVODs are feeling airier than the KFL+ on the stock neme top cap with fully opened air control. Grrr, slipping down a slipper slope here...
 
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I think tuning the kayfun is a lot like tuning the fuel injection, or more like the carburetor on a racecar, it's always comes down to either too rich or too lean, with the sweet spot being right there in the middle. the challenge is to first be able to identify weather it is too rich or too lean, and then secondly to figure out what to do to move it towards the other direction with the variables you have in the build

if you are too lean then your not getting enough "fuel" to match the coil and airflow, to compensate after the build you can either draw more, do primer puffs or block the intake and pull a bit to add "fuel" periodically. if you are tuned too rich to match the coil and airflow then you will get gurgling and eventually flooding, to compensate after the build you can pre press the fire button a few sec before drawing and hold it a few sec past the draw, if too rich it can eventually flood and then you'll need to clear the passage by blowing the excess out of course. ideally you want to get the build to be as close to "in the middle" as possible with just normal draws.

the main variables in tuning a build stem down to altering the coil and the wicking material and actual placement of each. personally, I find with true microcoils that for me, just a little cotton in the center of the coil alone is not enough, it is if the coil is a bit larger, like on just a smallish coil but on a tiny micro not enough, I find that I need at least some cotton added on the top or side. I've tried a lot of different setups. cotton on both sides can give me a really great feed but results in a very flavorful but cool and muted vape and poor vapor production, I think too much of the vape(air/fuel mixture) winds up being filtered through the cotton. I get better results with cotton added on just one side, leaving the other side open for airflow

recently I've been playing with no cotton in the center of the microcoil at all and just cotton on one side and on top, leaving the bottom and one side of the coil open directly to the airstream as it flows across from intake to exhaust. my current build is the same 3.8 ohm ribbon micro I posted a few days ago with no cotton in the center, I have just one piece of cotton that drapes half way over the top and packed to one side of the coil. so far it has been really really good. nice sweet vapes at 6V, not huge vapor production like a genny but a nice balanced hit each time, the right hit for a stealth vape I guess. I like to be able to pull it out in a store like staples, take a nice draw yet not blow clouds afterwards. this is the kind of vape you can short draw and hold in long enough to exhale almost no vapor. I can vape without anyone really noticing, no one gets offended when they don't even notice your vaping :) next build I'll probably try exactly the same but maybe bring it down to 3.4 ohms or so. I made a quick vid to show the vape. I use a tiny tube I just picked up to blow air into the intake to show the draw here. this is a little less than 10 watts, I'm blowing into it around as hard as I would normally draw. next build I'd like to kick it up to a little over 11 watts but everything else the same. first time doing a vid on photobucket hope it works, click the pic I think :)


Good analogy with air/fuel ratio! However I think the fuel pump, er, viscosity of the fuel plays a huge roll. For example, I've been DIY'ing with 85%vg & 15%flavor+nic. At this ratio I would get dry hits from time to time so I started cutting with DW @ 80%vg/15%flv+nic/5%dw to increase flow rate. At this new ratio (albeit with better vapor & flavor) my fuel economy had drastically suffered. My consumption has effectively doubled by adding 5%dw!

I'm still relatively new to all this but, is this the norm for a thinner sauce? I have noticed slight differences in consumption with different resistance coils but nothing this drastic. Has anyone had a similar experience???
 

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I don't know about MEVOD but I believe you and it doesnt surprise me; I mean, yeah of course a dripper like the trident (clone) vapes better than the kfl. THE MOISTURE OH GOSH THAT'S NICE, something the kfl doesnt really offer, its more on the dry side.

The fogger v2 I found it more flavourful, and moisture is better.

But I think all this is also quite subjective? We just have different likings and that's fine

It has been a great vape for some time and I love the design .... But I am kind of waiting for a kf v4 cause I think there's room for improvements (but again, that can be quite subjective)

Anyway, moisture, that flavourful saturated vape .... That's what I am after!

And the ability to go sub ohm with ease
 

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Well I just stayed up trying various builds and I managed to get a regular micro + cotton build, one of my hybrid micro coil over mesh + cotton tail builds and a vertical coil build running without burning at 15 watts but the extra tightness of the KFL+ air flow meant that those builds wheren't producing the same amount of vapor as I was before. Flavor was excelent but there was to little vapor coming out.

I decided to take a chill pill and realize that I've been vaping at roughly 10watts over the past month so I settled for a 12 wrap micro coil with 1.5mm ID using 28awg metered at 1.4 ohms and straight cotton like I've always been using. Vapor and flavor are spot on so I just got to get it out of my head that because the Kick2 can do 15 watts doesn't mean I HAVE to.
 

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Good analogy with air/fuel ratio! However I think the fuel pump, er, viscosity of the fuel plays a huge roll. For example, I've been DIY'ing with 85%vg & 15%flavor+nic. At this ratio I would get dry hits from time to time so I started cutting with DW @ 80%vg/15%flv+nic/5%dw to increase flow rate. At this new ratio (albeit with better vapor & flavor) my fuel economy had drastically suffered. My consumption has effectively doubled by adding 5%dw!

I'm still relatively new to all this but, is this the norm for a thinner sauce? I have noticed slight differences in consumption with different resistance coils but nothing this drastic. Has anyone had a similar experience???

thinner fluid usually wicks better than a higher viscosity juice, when you are consuming more juice your kayfun is working better, you are getting a more saturated vape so yeah it's gonna use more juice and also produce a nicer vape. the opposite is running dry, while this conserves juice it's not as good performance wise. since I've modified my channels my juice consumption has went up which is for the better, you don't add a turbo to a car and expect it to not burn more fuel :)
 

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I decided to take a chill pill and realize that I've been vaping at roughly 10watts over the past month so I settled for a 12 wrap micro coil with 1.5mm ID using 28awg metered at 1.4 ohms and straight cotton like I've always been using. Vapor and flavor are spot on so I just got to get it out of my head that because the Kick2 can do 15 watts doesn't mean I HAVE to.[/QUOTE]

I hear ya. Got my first KFL (a +) last week and immediately set to buildling a 1/16" microcoil w/cotton @1.2 ohm to run on a ProVari. Set at 4.2 v to run it close (14.7w) to the Provari's max of 15w. Great vapor, and what I thought was good flavor. Last night, decided to drop voltage to 3.2 and guess what? Vapor production off but the flavor (CSL 18mg, 100 vg) was fantastic. Made it a much better after dinner vape.
 
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