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Chimney gasket? It that does not seal, the atty will leak like a faucet out the air hole. That I know for sure. Also check the tank gaskets. Air is getting in the tank, and I doubt you can blame on screws. It is not the air flow screw.


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Thanks Ether for your response. When you say gasket are you speaking of the orings? Wonder if dropping my Pro. somehow put stress on the atty...maybe that is why the "platform" (geez, wish I remembered the technical terms) shifted?

Will investigate.
 

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Thanks Ether for your response. When you say gasket are you speaking of the orings? Wonder if dropping my Pro. somehow put stress on the atty...maybe that is why the "platform" (geez, wish I remembered the technical terms) shifted?

Will investigate.

ethermion was referring to the oring that's embedded in the topcap.
 

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Just when I finally got a technique down that works with NETS, No pinching, largish drill bit. Thin but long cotton bentober on its side away from the juice chancel. Welll I discovered RDA's. I found a dripper with 4 posts each with a hole, and it works out to 1.0 ohm when using the premade fast tech coils. The flavor and vapor production is so superior to anything the KFL has to offer I think I have no neeed for the Kayfun. If I'm on the go where the dripper isn't practical I'll just take an aerotank mega which to my taste buds is at least 90% of the KFL. I learned a lot with the KFL but its moving way back in my circulation.
 

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Hate to interrupt this intelligent conversation, but HELP :). I have been having wonderful success w my KFL plus since I got it a couple weeks ago. (28 g. 1.4. Cotton build). Great and easy ( I was actually feeling a bit smug about how easy I took to this.......and then........

So I dropped my device. It seemed fine but the next day, I had juice leaking out from the air hole. I checked the coil but one of the "platforms" where the screws are connected had moved. I was able to get said platform back in place, re-built (1.4 etc.) and tried some cheaper juice (non-WTA..50/50) to run a test. No problem with that, so I loaded my "good stuff" (more VG) and am leaking and gurgling again. Not just a light drop but leaking lots out of the air hole. Also when I filled it, it seems that more than usual was coming out the top (as I have it turned over).

I had been fiddling with the air hole screw a bit. It certainly doesn't look like a regular screw. Maybe that is what it should look like. I remember reading about replacement screws a few pgs back, but I can't seem to locate that now (not even sure if that is the problem.

Anyone have a suggestion for someone who is no longer feeling cocky and is having trouble with leakage? Thank you!
Not sure if this is your problem but I have dropped my kayfun and what happened was the plastic tank threads crossed which created a slight gap. I couldn't unscrew plastic section because the threads were jammed. What I had to do was push down with force which jumped the threads back into place
 

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I see.. large gaps with thin wire... No, I'm (we) are talking about using the same wire and # of wraps, but leaving small gaps, not compressing them tight.

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Yes sorry about that. What you have there is still a micro coil that's just not tight. Comparing that to a tight coil is pretty much the same. I thought the question or comparison was between a micro coil and a standard coil. I consider a standard coil one that a silica user uses, one in which you wrap around silica. These were the standard before micros and consisted mainly of 4,5, or 6 wraps because with the spaces, you simply couldn't fit more turns in that area. If one wanted resistances in the 1.5 range then 30 or 32g was used. If you wanted higher resistance then 32 or 34 was needed, Likewise with lower resistances and thicker gauges. So usually when I hear about the differences between a micro and standard (or open coil) that's what I think of, and in that comparison it's quite a difference in wick coverage, heat, quickness, throat hit, and flavor imo.
 

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I too thicked the wick. And for the first time ever had flooding because of that? Yeah i had heard that here,

so I pulled the cork, <<<< took out the old wick and put in a little less of Cotton, flooded a little now the flooding is gone.

Maybe you too have heard that was said, that if you over thick the wick, you flood the Kayfun. <<Doesnt happen very often but maybe a little.
As with any build it's a learning curve and a balance. Yes an overly thick wick can flood, choke off channels, and not flow juice correctly into coil. Likewise if you had not enough, one can have issues with dry hits and not enough juice to coil, so depending on individual vaping needs it's definitely a balance to dial in the right amounts
 

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My standard is a microcoil. All my attys have them with cotton, including my Evods (man, love those colours!). Easy to build & maintain, lasts longer and a designed choice for cotton wicks - 'coz they mate well giving a better vape than the regular "spaced coils" with silica.

However, I do sometimes play with non-micros as well ;)

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Never liked dripping. The flavor I get from Kayfuns is perfect for me. :vapor:

I didnt get it either.

As with any build it's a learning curve and a balance. Yes an overly thick wick can flood, choke off channels, and not flow juice correctly into coil. Likewise if you had not enough, one can have issues with dry hits and not enough juice to coil, so depending on individual vaping needs it's definitely a balance to dial in the right amounts

I have had the dry hit thing happen too but only once. But one flood of a 2.4 mm build makes me skeptical to try any builds above 2.4mm. I bought some drill bits in between 2.0mm and 2.4 mm. Approximately 2.3XXXX something didnt work that well on my aqua in the cloud department. I might try a slighly smaller build later on my Kayfuns. There are times you gotta give the 3.1 Full Russian Kayfun some kudos. Those puppies are very flood resilient.

The nice thing abt the Kayfun is they are pretty forgiving in the wick department. NO? On my smok ARO's the build has to be spot on.
 

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Just when I finally got a technique down that works with NETS, No pinching, largish drill bit. Thin but long cotton bentober on its side away from the juice chancel. Welll I discovered RDA's. I found a dripper with 4 posts each with a hole, and it works out to 1.0 ohm when using the premade fast tech coils. The flavor and vapor production is so superior to anything the KFL has to offer I think I have no neeed for the Kayfun. If I'm on the go where the dripper isn't practical I'll just take an aerotank mega which to my taste buds is at least 90% of the KFL. I learned a lot with the KFL but its moving way back in my circulation.

Get an Origen v2... I find I can go 30-40mins almost chain vaping in the car before adding more juice.. Flavor is awesome :)

Haha kinda hard for a kfl to compete with a decent dripper, esp one with a tiny chamber. I love kayfuns to bits but ah, it's really a no contest IMO.


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Nope! Good tank system, but lousy dripper :)
 

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I didnt get it either.



I have had the dry hit thing happen too but only once. But one flood of a 2.4 mm build makes me skeptical to try any builds above 2.4mm. I bought some drill bits in between 2.0mm and 2.4 mm. Approximately 2.3XXXX something didnt work that well on my aqua in the cloud department. I might try a slighly smaller build later on my Kayfuns. There are times you gotta give the 3.1 Full Russian Kayfun some kudos. Those puppies are very flood resilient.

The nice thing abt the Kayfun is they are pretty forgiving in the wick department. NO? On my smok ARO's the build has to be spot on.
Have you tried 2mm or slightly less? I find 5/64 to be optimal
 

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Yes sorry about that. What you have there is still a micro coil that's just not tight. Comparing that to a tight coil is pretty much the same. I thought the question or comparison was between a micro coil and a standard coil. I consider a standard coil one that a silica user uses, one in which you wrap around silica. These were the standard before micros and consisted mainly of 4,5, or 6 wraps because with the spaces, you simply couldn't fit more turns in that area. If one wanted resistances in the 1.5 range then 30 or 32g was used. If you wanted higher resistance then 32 or 34 was needed, Likewise with lower resistances and thicker gauges. So usually when I hear about the differences between a micro and standard (or open coil) that's what I think of, and in that comparison it's quite a difference in wick coverage, heat, quickness, throat hit, and flavor imo.

Agreed... By bad for not making it more clear. I need to learn the lingo better :)


So, what do you think? You compare open to closed coils? I get better flavor and better vapor leaving the coils open, and, they last longer without clogging and burning using NETs.
 

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Agreed... By bad for not making it more clear. I need to learn the lingo better :)


So, what do you think? You compare open to closed coils? I get better flavor and better vapor leaving the coils open, and, they last longer without clogging and burning using NETs.

this is my opinion on a closed micro and gapped micro. I know one thing for sure is that a closed micro creates more heat. heat in most instances creates flavor, but there are restrictions. for heat to create flavor you need airflow and the kayfun doesn't really have terrific airflow so my opinion is that a slightly gapped micro coil in the kayfun could create slightly better flavor then a totally tight micro. this might be the reason I feel that my twisted coils have a slight better flavor then my tight coils in the kayfun. also it depends on your individual power levels you run in the kayfun. I would venture to say that someone vaping at 17 watts on a standard un modded kayfun with a gapped micro will have a little better flavor then a tight micro. now if one is vaping at 8 watts and made the comparison, im not so sure if the results would be the same. if however the atomizer can accommodate enough airflow, then I believe a tight micro coil will produce a better flavor. my guess has to do with temperature at the point of contact with wicking material. lets say we have a 10 wrap closed coil compared to 10 wrap tight coil ( both micro coils), both same resistance, both same gauge wire, and both at same power levels. for one, I believe the closed coil produces a little more heat, but the heat is equally transferred to the wick in that area. now take the spaced coil, I think where each individual coil wrap touches the wick, the heat is actually higher compared to the tight micro coil because its not a single unit like the tight micro. each individual wrap in the gapped coil probably has more heat generated to the wick in that specific area because it is a smaller pin pointed point of heat. heat like this, I believe is not as beneficial then heat generated as a single unit like a tight micro coil. so when airflow allows, I believe a single unit coil will produce better flavor, and when insufficient airflow is, a gapped micro might be better. as for gunking? I never used a juice that made a difference either way so I cannot say tbh. oh and something else that plays a big part of all this is your particular juice and how it reacts with heat
 
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Not sure if this is your problem but I have dropped my kayfun and what happened was the plastic tank threads crossed which created a slight gap. I couldn't unscrew plastic section because the threads were jammed. What I had to do was push down with force which jumped the threads back into place

Right on the money Vapd! I checked on the orings (thank you Ether) and noticed that I was unable to unscrew the tank from the metal on one end. Yep! A bit of gentle force (pushing down) with an occasional double plier move (protecting with cloth) and I was unable to unscrew that section. The oring looked great. I re-assembled and I'm back in bliss. (No leakage)! This time I'll try and stay humble :)

Thank you and I'm looking forward to paying this forward and helping others..
 
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