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..just thought it was a nice touch
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Congrats on ur K-Lite! It'd amaze u... it did to me
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It was, indeed
Congrats on ur K-Lite! It'd amaze u... it did to me
Like Rule said, I don't think it's better than my genesis stuff. But it's a hair under them and it doesn't leak. That's what I was after. My absolute favorite setup is my DID, with mesh, at .8Ω on my Roller. But it isn't practical to take out without having to be "aware" of it's position at all times.
I too have had a more difficult time than I hoped I would have. My issue has been getting just enough wick down into the chamber to wick well without blocking the juice channels. It wasn't an issue with silica but it seems to be (for me) with the heavier, denser cotton. At first I tried the figure 8 with silica, than I tried just wrapping silica. But doing a micro coil with cotton has been my favorite as far as vapor and flavor. I've learned that I need to leave my wick ends thin, not taking up the whole ledge and/or covering the juice channels or it tends to block the juice instead of wicking it in.
Give it more time and practice. Not everything is for everyone. If you just can't like it well enough to keep it, at least it'll sell quick for what you paid for it.
I finally got time to experiment with Ohms. I built two micro's, one at 1Ω and the other at 2.2Ω (I was hoping for 1.7-1.8Ω) and tried to vape both at 15watts. That's a bit hard to do because I have no way to test load drop on the mech. I used cotton yarn, which I'm really like if for no other reason than ease of use, thread thru coil, cut to length and done !!!
I had a hard time differentiating between the two builds. Flavor and vapor production seemed close to identical. I think I favored the low ohm but that could be because that's what I've been vaping for so long. I think both are a win
Here's the 2.2Ω ~
are both builds the same wire gauge?
I totally agree that a properly set up genny is hard to beat. I never bought the kayfun thinking it was going to be the end all. it is good and like donnah said, its nice to not have to worry so much about leaking. if I was to rate the flavor and vapor production from a genesis, it would be like an 8, the kayfun, a 7, but overall I do like the kayfun, I like it a lot. now that I have the build down, I find it way easier to set-up then a genesis also. now a genesis with porous ceramic, now that's a 9.
New coil today, 30awg Kanthal, 11 wraps, original test @ 1.8, now sits at 2 ohms with full tank.
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if you started the first coil, as you were making it, in the opposite direction you then would be able to attach the leads to the inside of the screws, this would probably put less of a spread on the outer most wraps while having slightly less resistance, also this would make the wired ends tighten as you tighten down the screws. im sure the overall performance wouldn't change to much but it will make for a tighter coil without tension to the coiled ends
First attempt at micro/cotton after watching a couple vids. I think I ended up with 8-9 wraps @ 30g kanthal around 1/16 bit. This put me @ 1.5. I will give it another shot tomorrow maybe, and try to to better on the coil.
First attempt though, you have to make allowances no?
It vapes nice, and brings a totally different flavor to my juice!
Overall, extremely impressed with the KL. It's a nice piece, and worth the $.
First attempt though, you have to make allowances no?
It vapes nice, and brings a totally different flavor to my juice!
Overall, extremely impressed with the KL. It's a nice piece, and worth the $.
My Klite microcoil is about 10 wraps of 28 Kanthal, also I pushed the coil as close I could possibly get it to the air hole. Amazing flavour. Been going strong for 10 days now.
Totally beats the crap out of my Ithaka set up with silica. Will try a NR-R-NR micro/cotton setup on the Ithaka tomorrow me thinks.
Totally beats the crap out of my Ithaka set up with silica. Will try a NR-R-NR micro/cotton setup on the Ithaka tomorrow me thinks.
Oh, I'd put my DIDs, with unoxidized ss mesh at 9+ or 10. It's the standard by which I compare everything else to anyway.
I really agree, its just that a 10 is maybe something we haven't tried yet, so I save the 10 for that. but for which we have tried, I agree that a genny well set up is the best we have tried. if you had tried porous ceramic in your genny I bet you would like it better then mesh.
I have. Not in mine; but I have a friend in my local group who has used ceramic extensively. I really don't see it as superior to mesh in flavor, and the set up is a bit harder.
It's a tiny alan wrench, I'm guessing about 1.5mm or so.
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Well, after reading several responses, I broke it down again and made another build. This time gave micro/cotton another shot. I've built micro/cotton builds before with my RDA's and terminator-c, so it puzzled me why I has having problems setting it up with the KFL. I built it as close as I can to the other builds I've seen in the pictures and used Donnah's advice with making the ends of the wick less dense and away from the channels. Using 28awg ( I need to order some 26awg
) Kanthal 6/7 wraps 1.2 ohms, all of a sudden it's a big improvement. So far no dry hits, just great flavor and vapor.
I do agree that going out with the KFL is ten times better than bringing a genesis atty. I've mostly been bringing my divers and RH killers with me, but I think the KFL is gonna be taking their place. Especially if I can keep it performing like it is now. I guess there is a learning curve to building the KFL, even so it is meant to be easy. It is allot faster and simpler than building a genesis with ss mesh.
I guess I am in the same boat as others when it comes to the DID, with all these other genesis atty's around. I have yet gotten the rich flavor and plumes of vapor that a DID produces. I wonder if they will ever come out with a KFL mini, I would love to use that with a 14500 mod. Now that would be portability and performance.
) Kanthal 6/7 wraps 1.2 ohms, all of a sudden it's a big improvement. So far no dry hits, just great flavor and vapor. I do agree that going out with the KFL is ten times better than bringing a genesis atty. I've mostly been bringing my divers and RH killers with me, but I think the KFL is gonna be taking their place. Especially if I can keep it performing like it is now. I guess there is a learning curve to building the KFL, even so it is meant to be easy. It is allot faster and simpler than building a genesis with ss mesh.
I guess I am in the same boat as others when it comes to the DID, with all these other genesis atty's around. I have yet gotten the rich flavor and plumes of vapor that a DID produces. I wonder if they will ever come out with a KFL mini, I would love to use that with a 14500 mod. Now that would be portability and performance.
Well, after reading several responses, I broke it down again and made another build. This time gave micro/cotton another shot. I've built micro/cotton builds before with my RDA's and terminator-c, so it puzzled me why I has having problems setting it up with the KFL. I built it as close as I can to the other builds I've seen in the pictures and used Donnah's advice with making the ends of the wick less dense and away from the channels. Using 28awg ( I need to order some 26awg
I do agree that going out with the KFL is ten times better than bringing a genesis atty. I've mostly been bringing my divers and RH killers with me, but I think the KFL is gonna be taking their place. Especially if I can keep it performing like it is now. I guess there is a learning curve to building the KFL, even so it is meant to be easy. It is allot faster and simpler than building a genesis with ss mesh.
I guess I am in the same boat as others when it comes to the DID, with all these other genesis atty's around. I have yet gotten the rich flavor and plumes of vapor that a DID produces. I wonder if they will ever come out with a KFL mini, I would love to use that with a 14500 mod. Now that would be portability and performance.
Yep.. there is a learning curve, at least for me it was. I was learning the klite AND micros with cotton at the same time LOL. I'm still in the curve but I think I'm on the downward slide. Right now, setting up a genesis with mesh is still a bit easier to me than my klite. There is some trial and error to getting just the right amount of cotton to get good wicking without blocking the juice. With my background in carto tanks, I have an understanding of the balance of air pressure. The klite hasn't been as easy as I thought it would be. But if it were easy, everyone would be doing it.
No, the 1Ω is 7 wraps of 28g and the 2.2Ω is 10/11 wraps of 30g. I thought HR with 28 would be too many wraps. I'm thinking 9 wraps of 30g should get me in that 1.7/1.8Ω range. My first micro 8 wrap of 28g at 1.2Ω.
didn't think so but wasn't sure. I agree that 28g would be to many wraps unless you had a dna 20 mod or something that could fire that many coils without waiting forever. what mod are you using?
Yep, the whole principle of the Kayfun relies on precise design of the juice slots. If they're plugged, even with the wick, it won't feed. If they were bigger, it would flood. It's the same principle as proper hole size in carto tanks.
I now see it is a provari and if its a version 2, the most a 2.2 ohm coil would be is 14.5 watts at 2.5 amps. anything over 4.2 volts on the v-2 is limited to 14.5 watts, and at 5.6volts and a 2.2 ohm coil the amperage is 2.5 amps. if your looking for the max wattage & amps a 1.3 to 1.4 ohm coil is best, this will give you 15 watts and 3.5 amps. did you try the 1 ohm coil on the provari? if so the max you will get from this resistance is about 12 watts. the only way to generate 15 watts on a 1-ohm coil is on a mechanical mod or a dna -20, afaik. anyways this is why the micro coils are great, a hi resistance coil does sort of perform like a sub ohm set up, and your comparison kind of shows it. if you did this comparison on a genny, the results wouldn't be the same
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